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why i think livestreams are good but can be improved (serious topic)

PoundSlap

Smash Journeyman
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ever since pound 4, livestreams became an essential part of tournament hype and we set our standards for big internationals there. a lot of organisation has to be done in order to run a good livestream so its up to us that we as a community help setting up.

participants for big tournaments like genesis, pound, apex are on average around 500 people. thats a a big number. but 10 times more people were sitting in front of the apex livestream over the weekend. and thats not just a new tendency; also pound 4 was able to hit the thousand on grandfinals, same with apex 2010 and pound 5; and of course genesis 2. it cant be ignored that the non-tournament-attendants constitute a majority of the community

the problem is we need to find a livestream standard as optimized as possible. apex had a very good standard right there but also came in with a lot of criticism:

-too little streams: there was only one livestream for both smash bros and the schedule was set this way that a lot of matches were left out to be streamed. later the organisation also used the one livestreams for alternate beat em ups, which not only destroyed the hype almost entirely, there also seemed to arise a dispute between those two fronts. it polarized with the chat mainly going on insulting each other.

-keeping the chat updated: this has always been a problem, and every stream was flawed this way. there is either a complete lack of commentators or the ones in charge dont care about the chat at all. apex was pretty professionally done, i also like dogys commentary and he did a great job for sitting there for hours and commentate also partly about uninteresting matches. but: i would like to have updates about the tournament, giving brackets, answering questions in the chat, telling whats going on and what will be going on. C, a swedish smasher did an absolute great job on pound 4 with keeping the chat informed.

the problem about this is we either need a lot of voluntaries or we, as a community, could set up a fund specifically for livestreams on big internationals. we could then get a good connection (that rivals apex), professional commentators like dogy and people that update the chat with all the important tournament info. and no important bracket matches will be left out! apex was being done great but alex strife seemed to be subjected to all the contracts he made with the supporting partners and hence had to pay more attention to the other games as well, along with the commercial every 30 minutes.
 

ihatejuice69

Smash Cadet
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Dec 15, 2010
Messages
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This was one of the first tournaments in a long time which actually had a working livestream, I was super hyped to watch it.

But soooo many great matches were not shown, which sent me to frown town.

I guess the problem is that in most tournaments they don't have the money to do a good livestream, and the only way they can get the money to do it is to have other games on stream along with melee.

That kinda sucks, but unless somebody brings in some cash for melee, it's not going to be fixed any time soon.
 

ajp_anton

Smash Lord
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Jan 9, 2006
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Why would you need money to do livestream? twitch.tv is free. If you have a recording setup, you also have a livestream setup.
 

ihatejuice69

Smash Cadet
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Dec 15, 2010
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In that case I have no idea why other tournaments aren't able to get a working livestream.

I always thought that the problem was that if there are too many viewers, you need to pay to maintain the stream.
 

Massive

Smash Champion
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Aug 11, 2006
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Kansas City, MO
The biggest issue is that Apex was an outlier.

We were getting bleed-over from other fighting games, people who were killing time before/checking out our game after the other fighting games that were going on. There has never been another smash stream with 8k viewers.

We were frontpaged for much of the time the stream was on air to begin with, and many viewers for other Apex streams were getting directed to ours first.

Most of our regular streams don't break 300 viewers. A lot of them don't even break 100.
Many people have trouble justifying all the trouble of running a stream when there's only going to be 25 people watching it.

Were all of our tournaments mega-hype with 300+ attendees and thousands more watching, this would be an entirely different conversation.
 
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I think the stream needed a better crowd mic and louder commentators. Being in the crowd was SO much more hype than watching the stream. In the stream you hear a muffled cheer and the commentators saying something like "good combo." This absolutely does not correspond to the crowd standing and screaming and chanting like they actually did during Apex.
 
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