Why do people even want Marth back?

[Shishou]

I am bothered by the fact so many people want Marth back as a character. I know many of you play him in Melee, he is High Tier after all and not the most technical character to use.

People say Ike won't be replacing Marth. Sure we could see two swordsmen with long swords, capes, and short blue hair in the same game. That sounds very plausible.

Sure they have different move-sets and people like to believe Sakurai wouldn't rid the game of a unique character's moveset. They would also never dream to put in Roy with that moveset instead of Marth, you know a character who's sword is shorter and doesn't look anything like Ike.


Ignoring all of that, why does anyone even want Tiara-boy back? You all assume even if he does return that he will not be toned down. Just how many people are going to give a crap about Marth if he isn't High Tier? What if his Tip is no longer his sweet spot? What if he doesn't have his ridiculous range on his sword and grabs? What if he lacks that priority he once had? What if he is as heavy as Roy is in Melee and has the same speed Roy had?

I just don't see why people would want Marth back, unless it is solely them believing Marth will come back exactly how he is in Melee. Even if Marth does return people, don't hold your breath on them not beating his pretty-boy face up with a nerf bat.




Care to tell me why any of you want Marth back, AS A MASCOT?

 

[Duality]

I am bothered by the fact so many people want Marth back as a character. I know many of you play him in Melee, he is High Tier after all and not the most technical character to use.

People say Ike won't be replacing Marth. Sure we could see two swordsmen with long swords, capes, and short blue hair in the same game. That sounds very plausible.

Sure they have different move-sets and people like to believe Sakurai wouldn't rid the game of a unique character's moveset. They would also never dream to put in Roy with that moveset instead of Marth, you know a character who's sword is shorter and doesn't look anything like Ike.


Ignoring all of that, why does anyone even want Tiara-boy back? You all assume even if he does return that he will not be toned down. Just how many people are going to give a crap about Marth if he isn't High Tier? What if his Tip is no longer his sweet spot? What if he doesn't have his ridiculous range on his sword and grabs? What if he lacks that priority he once had? What if he is as heavy as Roy is in Melee and has the same speed Roy had?

I just don't see why people would want Marth back, unless it is solely them believing Marth will come back exactly how he is in Melee. Even if Marth does return people, don't hold your breath on them not beating his pretty-boy face up with a nerf bat.




Care to tell me why any of you want Marth back, AS A MASCOT?

Is this a joke thread? + Post count 4 u?

I want Marth back because he was a good main and he was high tier. His speed and range made him a good fighter.

 

[Shishou]

Is this a joke thread? + Post count 4 u?

I want Marth back because he was a good main and he was high tier. His speed and range made him a good fighter.

So he is obviously going to return with no nerfs and be high tier. thus a good main again? Because this is Melee+ and not Brawl?

 

[Duality]

If he does then he does, and he will be a good main again. Wtf are you talking about Melee+ and not Brawl?

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Marth is the first Lord and most deserving of ANY fire Emblem character to make it into Brawl...The friggin Fire Emblem icon is his sword!!!

Plus he does have a new game coming out...good advertisement!

 

[Duality]

I assume Doc is your main? Haha don't want Marth's range to haunt you again in Brawl?

 

[Shishou]

Marth is the first Lord and most deserving of ANY fire Emblem character to make it into Brawl...The friggin Fire Emblem icon is his sword!!!

Plus he does have a new game coming out...good advertisement!

Isn't that game just a remake of the first Fire Emblem game? Which Marth was the star of? So technically he is only the main guy in two Fire Emblem games.

Has the same shaped handle as depicted by Melee. The blade looks different to me.

I assume Doc is your main? Haha don't want Marth's range to haunt you again in Brawl?

Actually I play Marth as well. I just find it annoying that people whine so much at the thought that Marth won't return. I especially get mad by the fact people are ignorant to the fact even if he does return he is surely going to be beaten with the nerf bat. Fox is a good example of this.

 

[alpha n00b]

Marth has lotsa fans, he's like the Cloud strife of Fire emblem (only earlier.)

 

[Duality]

Actually I play Marth as well. I just find it annoying that people whine so much at the thought that Marth won't return. I especially get mad by the fact people are ignorant to the fact even if he does return he is surely going to be beaten with the nerf bat. Fox is a good example of this.

Well Marth does play a major role in Fire Emblem, it's kinda like taking out Mario and keeping Luigi in a way. I don't think Marth will be nerfed so bad.

 

[Metalknux]

The same reason I want Falco back. They care more about the character himself than how good he was in Melee.

 

[Shishou]

Well Marth does play a major role in Fire Emblem, it's kinda like taking out Mario and keeping Luigi in a way. I don't think Marth will be nerfed so bad.

The majority of Fire Emblem games don't even have Marth as the main character. Two do and a remake coming for DS apparently.

There are how many Fire Emblem games now?

The same reason I want Falco back. They care more about the character himself than how good he was in Melee.

How many of them do you think have actually played a Fire Emblem game? Let alone a Fire Emblem game with Marth as the main protagonist? Most don't even know of Marth as a character or his personality. They base everything off how good he is in Melee and want him back for that reason, not even taking in to consider he could very well be nerfed down to Mid-tier and 80% of the Marth players drop him.

 

[Duality]

I didn't mean it like that. I meant it as he has a good role in the story.

Quick question, why does it matter? Why do you seriously get mad at people who don't want him to leave? The more the merrier.

 

[Cinder]

*gets troll repellant*...

Oh, btw, there's a Marth thread...take it there...and get flamed:flame:

 

[Shishou]

I didn't mean it like that. I meant it as he has a good role in the story.

Quick question, why does it matter? Why do you seriously get mad at people who don't want him to leave? The more the merrier.

Because people don't even care about the character in general. I sure wouldn't want a mascot I don't know or care about in a game where popular mascots do battle.

Not to mention I find it very unlikely Marth will even return with the inclusion of Ike. I just don't see two blue haired swordsman from the same franchise with long swords being in this game. Why not just have Roy return or another FE mascot that can have Marth's moveset?

There is no point for Marth to return. Only his moveset. Why like a character when all you really like is his moveset anyways? That is what the majority of Marth players like, seeing as how I doubt most of them ever played a Fire Emblem where Marth is the star.

 

[The Boogerman]

Uh, Marth WAS in the most FE games. 1 and 2, and a remake on the SNES. Second to him was suckass Roy in 6 and 7, being only an npc in 7, Hector in 6 and 7, Eliwood in 6 and 7, and Karyl in 6 and 7. Aside from Marth, Eliwood, Hector, and Roy, I really don't see anymore Lords coming in from the series. Lyndis was already squashed into an assist trophy, so that kills her off. You're *****ing cause Ike sucks. That's gotta be it. He can't top Marth's Elegance, and you're crying over that.

How many played a Dr. Mario game, or Radiant Dawn, or are gonna bother getting the sequel to it? Doubt many. Let them add whoever they add, it's not like they're removing any potential characters for you, are they?

 

[xianfeng]

Uh, Marth WAS in the most FE games. 1 and 2, and a remake on the SNES. Second to him was suckass Roy in 6 and 7, being only an npc in 7, Hector in 6 and 7, Eliwood in 6 and 7, and Karyl in 6 and 7. Aside from Marth, Eliwood, Hector, and Roy, I really don't see anymore Lords coming in from the series. Lyndis was already squashed into an assist trophy, so that kills her off. You're *****ing cause Ike sucks. That's gotta be it. He can't top Marth's Elegance, and you're crying over that.

How many played a Dr. Mario game, or Radiant Dawn, or are gonna bother getting the sequel to it? Doubt many. Let them add whoever they add, it's not like they're removing any potential characters for you, are they?

All of that is incorrect.

FE1 - Marth
FE2- Alm and Celica
FE3 - Marth
FE4 - Sigurd and Celice
FE5 - Leaf
FE6 - Roy
FE7 - Eliwood, Lyn and Hector
FE8 - Eirika and Ephraim
FE9 - Ike
FE10 - Micaiah and Ike
FEDS - Marth

 

[Homelessvagrant]

My friend, this thread is pointless. It does nothing more to strech our idea of brawl and rather only shows your opinion. Take this to the Marth thread for that.

Otherwise I must say Marth needs to be in the game because he deserves the role. Only in three game? That's the most any fir emblem character has been in. he started the series and he's continuing. The clothing and hair does not matter and neither does his stats. He is a cool character that paved the way for all fire emblem games after that. He simply deserves th role and needs to fill in that position of Fire emblem firsts. Also if you doubt he's in look at the stage. The level isn't based on any time line of FE but is more generalized. Now why would Sakurai do that when he is more specific with the Mother, pokemon and even Wario ware series.

Now let this thread die a fast painless death.

 

[xianfeng]

That's the most any fir emblem character has been in. he started the series and he's continuing.

I hate to be a nitpicker but no, Anna has been in all of them and Paola, Katua and Est have been in FE1, FE2, FE3 and will be in FEDS.

 

[T-major]

not many people have played Marth's game, because they couldn't play his game. it's old, and japan only. but now that it's being remade for DS (which will more than likely be world wide), people will get the chance to play his game, and than will like him as a character (or not).

he'll be back. theres no reason to remove him. Fire Emblem is too popular to have only one rep (Ike), and since Marth is important and popular (and different from Ike), he's in. also, why would he have been chosen for Melee in the first place if he wasn't deserving?

 

[ArticulateT]

just let them believe want they want to believe. I find it unsuprising that people want marth back. Two of the original top tier characters are back, people want more to return. plus, if they mained them in melee, they would preffer their return so that don't have to start from scratch with a new character.

the only thing I partially annoyed about with Marth is the fact that he may get over used online. the same goes for shadow link and fox, and definatley peach (****, peach is the only character I have trouble against nowadays)

and, if one was to return, i would prefer Roy. simply because he seemed like the underdog.

also, I don't see what the problem is. my favourite character is Link, these guys favourite character is Marth. you sound like you assume that people only use marth to pwn the other players

 

[NukeA6]

I am bothered by the fact so many people want Marth back as a character. I know many of you play him in Melee, he is High Tier after all and not the most technical character to use.

People say Ike won't be replacing Marth. Sure we could see two swordsmen with long swords, capes, and short blue hair in the same game. That sounds very plausible.

That shouldn't matter. If Ike really was replacing Marth, he wouldn't have different moves. The only moves he shares is the forward smash and the counter. He's slower too.

Sure they have different move-sets and people like to believe Sakurai wouldn't rid the game of a unique character's moveset. They would also never dream to put in Roy with that moveset instead of Marth, you know a character who's sword is shorter and doesn't look anything like Ike.

What makes you think Roy would get in before Marth especially when Japan despises the GBA FEs?

Ignoring all of that, why does anyone even want Tiara-boy back? You all assume even if he does return that he will not be toned down. Just how many people are going to give a crap about Marth if he isn't High Tier? What if his Tip is no longer his sweet spot? What if he doesn't have his ridiculous range on his sword and grabs? What if he lacks that priority he once had? What if he is as heavy as Roy is in Melee and has the same speed Roy had?

People want Marth back because they just like him. He will be toned down but that doesn't mean that he will end up crappy. It only means that the game will be more balanced and fair. Marth can still keep the speed and the tipper without being cheap.

I just don't see why people would want Marth back, unless it is solely them believing Marth will come back exactly how he is in Melee. Even if Marth does return people, don't hold your breath on them not beating his pretty-boy face up with a nerf bat.





Care to tell me why any of you want Marth back, AS A MASCOT?

Why I want Marth as the mascot? Do I even need to tell you? Marth has made the most appearances out of all the other lords. He has been in FE1, 3, and the upcoming remake of FE1. He has even appeared in the short-lived FE anime. See the FE logo? That's Marth's Falchion. Try telling me that he won't be in Brawl and you will be dumbfounded when he's confirmed.

 

[Shadowbolt]

TC, you're pathetic, plain and simple. Show some respect for the characters that started your precious '1337' franchises. Forefathers, dammit!

Marth was the FIRST FE lord, and the ONLY one to get THREE GAMES. And his third is RECENT. Guess what that means? HE'S IMPORTANT TO THE FRANCHISE.

Also, tiara-boy? Insecure in your masculinity, much?

Oh - and just because Ike and Marth's MELEE APPEARANCE look remotely similar, they're just BOUND to look EXACTLY the same once Brawl comes out, M I RITE???

Ike = Slow and powerful, with a charged, fire-based B attack. Guess what? He's replacing the limitlessly worthless ROY, not the limitlessly important Marth. Enjoy.

If Fire Emblem was going to get anyone, Marth was guaranteed - and now that we have Ike, he IS guaranteed.

Ike's inclusion doesn't mean **** about about Marth, but it deals one hell of a blow to Roy's case.

Next time come better prepared, with more than just bigotry and insecurity.

 

[DMAJohnson]

I honestly don't care if he ends up mega-nerfed and bottom tier, Marth is a favorite character of mine in both Smash Bros. and the Fire Emblem series, and I would really like to see him return. Same goes for Roy (although to a much lesser extent).

 

[RWB]

All of that is incorrect.

FE1 - Marth
FE2- Alm and Celica
FE3 - Marth
FE4 - Sigurd and Celice
FE5 - Leaf
FE6 - Roy
FE7 - Eliwood, Lyn and Hector
FE8 - Eirika and Ephraim
FE9 - Ike
FE10 - Micaiah and Ike
FEDS - Marth

Actually, that was quite correct. He wasn't saying lords. And you forgot

Spoiler

two of the lords of FE10, Elincia and Sanaki

.

 

[KAFOR]

ha...this thread tickles me fondly

Marth is the protagonist of three Fire Emblem games, am I mistaken? He's about to go into his fourth game. He is the most important Fire Emblem character apparently. He has much credibility.

 

[GOTM]

personally, i think marth will not be in the game. I'm not sure if they are really thinkin of Ike as a replacement, but i just dont see marth being in it at this point. im sure he wouldnt be as "gay" as he was in melee, i mean, look what they did to fox...but i really dont see him even being in right now

 

[NukeA6]

Want to know why Ike was revealed first before Marth?

It's because FE 9 was released worldwide so everyone that knows Fire Emblem knows Ike. He also a fanbase to back it up. If it weren't that, Marth would have been revealed first.

 

[freeman123]

Hey, let's get all mad and start a pointless topic because people want Marth back! They should know better than to have opinions.

 

[GregUnit]

Because Marth Is Sexy And He Has A Hot Tiara You ****ers.

 

[error_alt_delete]

I can see marth getting back in, but severly nerfed in some way.

 

[Space_Pirate_Fox_McCloud]

Well, to answer your question, my reasons for wanting Marth back are not for his appearance in Melee. I barely used Marth in Melee, I personally found him boring to play as and I could care less as to how good he was tier-wise. In fact, I hope he does meet the Nerfing bat, if anything, to tone him down closer to the levels of other characters.

The reason why I support Marth and want him back is because he's essentialy the unofficial "face" of the Fire Emblem series. Though there have been numerous games and protagonists in the series, the vast majority of the fans still consider FE to be Marth's series over that of Ike, Roy, Lyn, Sigurd, ect. Marth starred in both the original game, making him the first FE Lord, and third installment, making him the first protagonist to hold said role in more than one game, and with the upcoming DS game, he will star in a third Fire Emblem game (be it a remake or not, this makes him the star of more FE games than any other FE character). He also was the focus of the brief anime, which may not be very much, but at least deems him important enough to have a show based on the FE series focus on him. Plus, out of all the lords (with the exception of Roy who was included only for advertisement purposes), he was chosen to be included in Melee, making him certainly worthy for being in Smash Bros. By his merits, I feel he is very deserving to be in Brawl, whether he remains strong as he was in Melee or meets a similar fate as Fox, and so that is why I want him to join Ike instead of being replaced by him.

 

[Sabrewulf238]

Shishou, You probably wouldn't understand this but just because you don't like Marth....doesn't mean everyone else doesn't like Marth.....understand that logic?

I'm no great fan of Marth but I can see why people would want him back because they don't think about him the same way I do.

 

[Shishou]

You're *****ing cause Ike sucks. That's gotta be it. He can't top Marth's Elegance, and you're crying over that.

How many played a Dr. Mario game, or Radiant Dawn, or are gonna bother getting the sequel to it? Doubt many. Let them add whoever they add, it's not like they're removing any potential characters for you, are they?

Read the bolded statement you made. Think about it real hard. Think about the topic at hand. You make absolutely no sense.

Who hasn't played Dr. Mario at some point in their life? Plus Dr. Mario was a clone of Mario, I don't really expect him to return. Unless they do end up putting clones or change his moveset enough to make him a Luigi-esque version of Mario.

 

[Bowserlick]

I think that Ike will be the only representation of Fire Emblem and that Marth will not be coming back.

Follow this. On the Dojo the main characters of a series are revealed first. Mario before Bowser and Peach, DK before Diddy, Kirby before Metaknight, ect. But Ness and Marth were not shown. Instead of them, a new character with similar skills (Ike with a sword, Lucas with psi powers) are revealed.

I think it would be weird to show Ike and Lucas before Ness and Marth.

Furthermore, the Mother series and Fire Emblem stories are known for switching up their main character for almost ever game. Thus, taking Marth out would not be like taking Mario out. Mario is the star of nearly all Mario games. He is generally the sole protector of the Mushroom Kingdom. Marth is not the sole defender of his kingdom and doesn't even live for most of the time that takes place in that storyline.

 

[Bassoonist]

Yet Marth is getting a third game... Ike has had two. Besides that fact, Ike is VERY different from Marth. It'd be ridiculous to have a heavy character with only a few similar moves "replace" a character like Marth.

 

[EPX2]

Why do people even want Marth back?

duh, i don't know

Maybe because he's the face of Fire Emblem? Jesus, use your brain.

 

[MarthTrinity]

Why do people want Ice Climbers back? Why do people want Ness back? Why do people want Peach back or Captain Falcon or any of those other characters? Because (in my opinion at least) they're fun to play as. I play as Marth because he's a fast swordsman, not because he's high-tier or because of his spikes or whatever else, I play as him for the sheer fun factor you get with cutting someone apart using a fast chatacter with a sword. And while you may think "You get Ike, be happy with him." That'd be like telling Dr. Mario fans, "Oh you get Mario, be happy with him," or telling Pichu fans (some out there I think) "Pikachu's in it, just be happy!" It's not the same simply having someone who's similar. The whole statement about people wanting to play as Marth for the sole purpose of him being high tier is a HUGE judgement of all Marth users; sure a lot of people use him for that but an equal amount use Marth because he's fun to play as. And as to your last statement, I don't care if Marth gets nerfed, I'll play Marth anyway and GET good as him. High tier characters mean nothing if the player's bad, and low tiers can be used just as effectively as anyone else if the player works hard enough at improving their game.

 

[jigenbakuda]

The majority of Fire Emblem games don't even have Marth as the main character. Two do and a remake coming for DS apparently.

There are how many Fire Emblem games now?



How many of them do you think have actually played a Fire Emblem game? Let alone a Fire Emblem game with Marth as the main protagonist? Most don't even know of Marth as a character or his personality. They base everything off how good he is in Melee and want him back for that reason, not even taking in to consider he could very well be nerfed down to Mid-tier and 80% of the Marth players drop him.

Whatever dude, marth is japanese pispness. He gets all the chicks, thats why I picked him in melee. I picked him because he looked cool and taunted in japanese (plus counter in japanese). It just happened that after using him, I found out how good he was. Plus he had a fuggin cape, a flowy cape at that. Plus just because I have never played a game with him, doesn't mean that the millions in japan haven't. I bet more have used marth in japan than ike (I love ike by the way)

Even if he was nerfed you are acting like you only play with 1 character out of all the brawl characters. Even if he's nerfed, I still want him in the game.

 

[Hong]

Even though I'm a Fire Emblem veteran, I'll remain neutral on this and clear some things up.

As Space_Pirate_Fox_McCloud said, Marth appeared in Fire Emblem one and three. Not one and two, not all three either. Just one and three. Oh, and the DS remake, which is just one.

The icon just isn't the Falcion. It has appeared in nearly every game as a design for various swords. Just because it looks like the Rune Sword, do I go around telling everyone Rune Swords are in Brawl? No. It's also just a fitting image for the series. They can't use a Fire Emblem as the symbol because the Fire Emblem changes every game. Thus using a cool looking sword is the next best thing.

Even speaking with people overseas, I don't know if Marth is the overall favourite amongst Fire Emblem fans. His fans here, unless they've actually played Fire Emblem, only like him because of his abilities in melee or his bishounen factor.

Regardless, I'd love to see Marth. Though I rather give what hasn't already been given to Ike to Takamaru, who would make a fine replacement for the agile swordsman slot. But that's just me and I definately won't be upset if they put in Marth instead.

 

[Chepe]

If people want Marth back just because he was high tier, I agree that its not a good reason. Those people wont give a **** about Brawl Marth if he was middle or low tier prob.

However, Id like Marth back after seeing the way Ike moves. Their playstyles are totally different - Ike for power and Marth for speed. I doubt that Marth wouldnt come back as a speedy character (he would probably be much weaker though). And him being the first lord does count for something in my book. But hearing that Ike has all of Marth's colors seems to dampen his hopes...