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Who Thinks All Characters Will Return?

freeman123

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Why is everybody so convinced that not all of the characters in Melee will be returning? All we have to base that on is Samurai Panda's translation of an reply Sakurai gave to an email question from a fan. Why is it that when the head graphics designer of the Zelda games says in an official interview that he's already designed character models for Sheik and Ganondorf to be in Brawl people don't believe it, but when Sakurai sends a casual response to a fan email while Brawl was still early in development it's taken as the word of God?

When Sakurai said that not all characters would be returning, Brawl was still early in development. Sakurai's reasoning for not all the characters returning, according to Samurai Panda's translations, was time constraints. If you remember, they were originally pushing for it to be a Wii launch title. So Sakurai ended up having a year longer to develop Brawl than what he thought he had at the time of that statement.

When Mortal Kombat Armageddon was still in development, the creator of Mortal Kombat, Ed Boon, said in an interview that all MK characters would be returning except for less significant characters like Motaro, Chameleon, and Meat. When the game was actually released, every character, including those 3, were in it.

No official announcement was ever made about not all characters returning. Sakurai only said that in response to a fan's question. When Nintendo first announced a new Smash Bros. game at E3 in 2004, they specifically said that we'd be able to play Smash Bros. online. Why is it that, based on that statement, people don't consider online play to be confirmed, yet based on Sakurai's response to a fan letter they're 100% convinced that not all characters will be returning? I would think that a statement made at an E3 press conference would be taken more seriously than an email response to a fan.

Not only were Ice Climbers confirmed to return today, but, unofficially, so was Mr. Game & Watch( http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=105742 ). A lot of people expect WW Link to be in the game. But what would his name be? Why not just call him Young Link? If Link's new character model is based on Twilight Princess, why not make Young Link's new character model based on Wind Waker? Mario is Nintendo's mascot. They aren't going to give Link 2 character spots and not give Mario 2, so you can assume that if Young Link returns Dr. Mario will too.

I know that basically everything in that last paragraph, other than the first sentence, is just speculation. But my point is that some of the characters that people consider the least likely to return aren't as unlikely as people think. A lot of people doubted that Ice Climbers and G&W would return, and they were both technically confirmed by today's update.

Jigglypuff and Luigi weren't confirmed to return in Melee until with in a month or so of the game's release. Up until that point, people swore on their grave that Jigglypuff and Luigi wouldn't be returning. Their reasoning was that Jigglypuff sucked and no one really liked him, and Luigi was too similar to Mario(both of those things were true in the first SSB). Does that sound familiar to anybody? That's pretty much the reasoning people use to say X Character will not return in Brawl.

And this is all assuming that Samurai Panda's translations are even 100% accurate. Japanese is a very difficult language to translate. If you misinterpret one little thing, it could change the meaning of an entire sentence.

I personally am convinced that all Melee characters will return in Brawl. Not just because Ice Climbers were confirmed today, but because Ice Climbers and Mr. Game & Watch were confirmed today. I had this same feeling back before Melee came out, when people were saying that not all characters would return, and I was right. So I'm confident that I'll be right this time too.
 

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I doubt Roy, the Doc, or Pichu will return...

Falco I'm not sure of...

Ganondorf DEFINETLY will...

...as for non-clones...Mewtwo BETTER return
 

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First of all, Sakurai said he was going to TRY to make Brawl online. It wasn't an official announcement, and it could be that he never got it worked out.

Second, I don't see your logic for Dr. Mario returning. If Mario gets a "double", I think it will be Paper Mario. Why? He would give a unique moveset.

Thirdly, that interview doesn't really confirm anything. Those models could be used for something other then playable characters.
 

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I don't think Pichu will return. But I still think all of the characters from the original SSB will.
 

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I think that most chars will return, but chars without much meaning or significance in other video games, like pichu or dr. mario, have the greatest chance of being cut. Pichu was just a pikachu clone with no gaming background at all (except pokemon staduim, which doesn't say much.) Dr. Mario was only in ,i think, one game that hardly got ay publicity.

Now that sakurai has time, he's not going to waste character space on clones. He's either going to give them a new moveset, or get rid of them. Ganon and Falco are examples of this beacuse they acyually had significance in mire than one video game. I'd say their chances are good enough.

If this game isn't online I'll cut myself. Sakurai better work his butt off to get it online,
 

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I think that most chars will return, but chars without much meaning or significance in other video games, like pichu or dr. mario, have the greatest chance of being cut. Pichu was just a pikachu clone with no gaming background at all (except pokemon staduim, which doesn't say much.) Dr. Mario was only in ,i think, one game that hardly got ay publicity.

Now that sakurai has time, he's not going to waste character space on clones. He's either going to give them a new moveset, or get rid of them. Ganon and Falco are examples of this beacuse they acyually had significance in mire than one video game. I'd say their chances are good enough.

If this game isn't online I'll cut myself. Sakurai better work his butt off to get it online,
Wow, you don't know anything about Dr. Mario? There has been more than 1 Dr. Mario game and it was a pretty well know game back in the day...especially the song "Fever"
 

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In all honesty, the only ones that should be out are Dr. Mario, Pichu, Roy, and maybe Ness (not hatin' on the character, but I honestly wouldn't mind if he was replaced by Lucas, who's basically Ness only by character, he'll probably still have the same moveset; Ness would probably be an alt. to Lucas, anyway). They're terrible characters (well, not Ness) as a whole that don't even have potential. Dr. Mario is the worst of the clones, and should easily be an alt. Pichu was a joke character, and Roy was originally a sh-t character in his game and is in Melee also. If anyone else was taken out, I would seriously be disappointed.

But yeah, I can agree, taking out completely original characters or characters with potential originality is just completely ludicrous. Falco (although he's kinda already original, but I think he should get some tweaks), Ganondorf, and Young Link, despite being clones, have a lot of potential of being good and are important characters in their own games. It won't be hard fixing them, they really don't deserve to be dropped over some sh-tty character.
 

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I dont really care who returns, as long as we get alot of new characters but i still want sheik i played with her alot.
 

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Young, link will most likely be the hardest. Even in OOT he and Link had the same MS. If anything, an idea to change YLink would be to get some MM masks for transformation. That would be nice.
 

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Roy wasn't a ****ty character, All the lords from different FE games have normal status before they get the legendary weapons or get promoted.:ohwell:
Actually, he was, especially in his game. And overall he was basically a dumbed down Marth in Melee. I honestly don't want him in Brawl at all unless he's, say, an alt. for Ike, but I highly doubt that.
 

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whats wit the hating of dr. mario. i personally like playing him better then mario. I dont care if they had to change his moves i would love to keep him.lol. But he is a clone so it does cut his chances, but if they are changing peoples moves, then he would be the one i would love to see back.
 

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They could make Dr. Mario different from Mario if they wanted to. For one thing, Dr. Mario wouldn't have Fludd, so there's a way they'd be different already. Also, I would imagine that Dr. Mario's final smash would be completely different from Mario's too.
 

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Actually, he was, especially in his game. And overall he was basically a dumbed down Marth in Melee. I honestly don't want him in Brawl at all unless he's, say, an alt. for Ike, but I highly doubt that.
I have played AND finished these games (FE 1, 3, 6, 7, 8) Roy was unstoppable after he gets the sword of seals (like EVERY LORD IN FE).

I don't know what you are talking about.....
 

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I have played AND finished these games (FE 1, 3, 6, 7, 8) Roy was unstoppable after he gets the sword of seals (like EVERY LORD IN FE).

I don't know what you are talking about.....
Does that make him a good character? No. He's a completely dull character in terms of personality and development.
 

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I think of all characters, Dr. Mario is the most likely to go. I can definitely see him as a costume, but that's it. He was just Mario in a costume in the Dr. Mario games anyway. I also think that YL will return as WW-styled Link with a few changed moves, similar to how Adult Link was changed for Melee. I can also see Ness being replaced by Lucas, with Lucas being a Ness clone. Other than Dr Mario (and Ness), the other characters do have a better chance at returning in Brawl. I would like to see them all return, but it might not happen. I do think that every character with a unique moveset will return (or at least the moveset will). We'll have to wait and see.
 

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Does that make him a good character? No. He's a completely dull character in terms of personality and development.
you were the one making fun of his stats ...for me, he is .Upstanding young chap with a strong sense of justice he is not dull at all:ohwell:.as for his status, only Hector can stand against him.

dull character in terms of personality and development
Marth, and Ephraim says hi.
 

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you were the one making fun of his stats ...for me, he is .Upstanding young chap with a strong sense of justice he is not dull at all:ohwell:.as for his status, only Hector can stand against him.
Uh, I was making fun of his stats in Melee, which WERE sh-t either you like it or not. And just because he has that type of personality, it doesn't mean he wasn't a good character. Matter of fact, I would seriously detest anyone with that type of personality unless they had at least some development that made me completely feel for them emotionally. Roy wasn't like that, ever.
Marth, and Ephraim says hi.
Ephraim I can agree on, but Marth? Marth was a good character overall, at least for being the first main lord and for being on a Famicom game. He wasn't as great as Sigurd, but still definitely a developed and good character.
 

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Uh, I was making fun of his stats in Melee, which WERE sh-t either you like it or not.
that applies to alot of characters too.

And just because he has that type of personality, it doesn't mean he wasn't a good character. Matter of fact, I would seriously detest anyone with that type of personality unless they had at least some development that made me completely feel for them emotionally. Roy wasn't like that, ever.
did you play his game?? No i am being serious, did you?? There were alot of heart broken moments in the story that makes you feels connected to Roy emotionally and development wise.
Ephraim I can agree on, but Marth?
I agree i pushed it with Marth, Good we at least agree on Ephraim. his game was the worst FE game i played. he was like a stone in it.

Marth was a good character overall, at least for being the first main lord and for being on a Famicom game. He wasn't as great as Sigurd, but still definitely a developed and good character.
Marth is pretty famous. His Anime greatly expand his personality if only in two episodes. Not game wise...beside you are playing an NES game, you don't need character developement .:laugh:
Siguard....you know....If the FE roster were Marth, Ike and Sigurd. I would be a happy girl:)
 

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Roy wasn't a ****ty character, All the lords from different FE games have normal status before they get the legendary weapons or get promoted
Roy is the second worst lord statistically and he's only second worst because Marth can't promote.
I have played AND finished these games (FE 1, 3, 6, 7, 8) Roy was unstoppable after he gets the sword of seals (like EVERY LORD IN FE).
Before he got the SoS he was weak, like really really really weak.

Marth, and Ephraim says hi.
Well we all know that Ephraim doesn't stand any chance at all and Marth was the first lord, back when his games were made very very few games had any character development really. It was until the SNES really that characters started to develop SOME personality.

did you play his game?? No i am being serious, did you?? There were alot of heart broken moments in the story that makes you feels connected to Roy emotionally and development wise.
I've played and I haven't seen a single heart breaking moment (allthough no video game ever has made me feel for the main character or any character really).

his game was the worst FE game i played. he was like a stone in it.
Play FE2, It's worse than FE8.
 

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I still don't think that every single character from Melee will return, but I do think ALMOST all of them will, and I also think that at least all of the SSB64 characters wil return.

IMO, all non-clone characters will return for sure, but what sakurai decides with the clones is hard to predict. I think Marth, G&W, and Mewtwo are too unique to toss aside, regardless of what anyone may perceive about stuff like "No one uses ___!!" We know Ganondorf is in, so he is safe. I think Young Link will be switched to his WW style, but as for Falco, Dr. M, Roy, or Pichu, they all seem likely for the cut simply out of their lack of creativity or uniqueness, which lead me to believe that they arent' very high on Nintendo's list of priorities. Then again, they could easily be given new moves with new looks and all that.

My personal prediction is that Pichu , Dr. Mario, and Roy have the better chances of being cut to be replaced by third-partiers.
 

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Not to be rude but I'll really laugh if Game & Watch isn't the next character we see.
Even more so if it's Sheik.
Who said G&W would be the next character we see? I never predicted that, I just said that he'd be in the game.

I've learned to stop trying to predict which characters will be revealed on the site, since the updates seem to be completely random and there's no way to guess who's going to show up next.
 

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This is the most likely to leave, in this order

Pichu
Doc
Roy
Young Link
Mewtwo
Game & Watch

All those not mentioned are definitely returning IMO
 

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This is the most likely to leave, in this order

Pichu
Doc
Roy
Young Link
Mewtwo
Game & Watch

All those not mentioned are definitely returning IMO
Game and Watches chances of leaving have just been decreased Dramatically...

...and Mewtwo BETTER stay...that's all I have to say to that
 

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*Sigh* I can see all of those except why G&W and Mewtwo? Unique movesets, and while they were underpowered, they had some significant personality. Especially G&W.
 

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Pichu, Doc, and Roy WILL be cut. There's no real reason for any of them to stay. Any other character has a good shot.
 

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I don't see why Sheik, Mewtwo, and G&W should to leave. Those guys were some of the most unique and surprising chars in th game.
 

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I hate Sheik, ****ing Overpowered Shemale thing. Mewtwo and G&W should stay. Mewtwo MUST stay, 'cause he is mewtwo, and he's awesome.
 

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I don't see why Sheik, Mewtwo, and G&W should to leave. Those guys were some of the most unique and surprising chars in th game.
I agree... However most people are convinced that "they're a one time thing."

All I have to say to that argument is "Ice Climbers." I'll say it proudly too! :chuckle:

Personally I'd love for all of the characters to return except for Dr. Mario and Pichu. Even Young Link was more amusing then those two. -_-
 
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