kamikaze falco
Smash Lord
Don't post in this thread unless it has something to do with the topic plz
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For the SHL, if you leave your thumb on the control stick - so you manually return it to the center before you press B - then I guess you're indeed pressing the control stick to far away. However, if you do a SHL from running, you're already running the right way so you only need to jump and press B, basically. Try to get this down first before moveing to Reverse SHL.I have trouble doing SHL. I could do them but the thing is I usually shoot backwards when I go forwards to shoot my enemy and if I try to leave my thumb on the control stick and do my SHL's I don't go forward that much.
I also having trouble doing uptilt. I try to just hold the control stick a bit up and press A but sometimes I jump or do a up smash which screws me over.
When I dash attack or SH nair my opponent just shields and grab. What are some ways to prevent the grabbing?
lol then why are u posting. but seriously bro don't say nothing if u don't know **** about what u tlking aboutDon't post in this thread if you have no new discoveries nor additional technical discoveries.......BTW of which there are very few. The only combo I could think is even worth mentiioning in a thread like this would be THUNDER but that doesn't even apply for falco........LOL a thread like this should be closed when first started.....it's just a bunch of new people talking about old **** that's already in the guides.
Don't post in this thread if you have no new discoveries nor additional technical discoveries.......BTW of which there are very few. The only combo I could think is even worth mentiioning in a thread like this would be THUNDER but that doesn't even apply for falco........LOL a thread like this should be closed when first started.....it's just a bunch of new people talking about old **** that's already in the guides.
ThanksWhen I have the opportunity I guess I'll put up a vid of my brothers Fox or something.
without pillaring, the pro's *would* probably just stand there with shield so they can shieldgrab. so pillar's extremely useful to know. without it everyone's just 'hey lets shieldgrab this mofo.' that you don't use it on pro's doesnt mean that its not useful vs pro's you actually need it.Actually pillaring isn't necesary in all its entirety but it can be helpfull to mid level players. The top pro's "usually" don't just stand there and let you pillar them because as they are getting daired they receive knockback and can di somewhat allowing them to roll out of it. So I am really not about the pillaring but it does prove usefull in some situations. I don't know call me a not technical non flashy falco lol.
without pillaring, the pro's *would* probably just stand there with shield so they can shieldgrab. so pillar's extremely useful to know. without it everyone's just 'hey lets shieldgrab this mofo.' that you don't use it on pro's doesnt mean that its not useful vs pro's you actually need it.
the same like standing next to someone lying down with your shield up. ofc pro's wont use standup-attack because they know they'd get shieldgrabbed. but you still put your shield up because, otherwise, they use the stand-up attack. =P
Handorin......Fool, you think this is my only account.........don't judge what you don't know, also I could be pro, which I'm not, and have posted 5 times total on smashboards, FYI, Joe Bushman, a very technical player and more knowledgeable than practically anyone doesn't even have a friggin account. Shows how much you know about the game/players.
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well i do agree that the double triple shines arent necessary but if you can do em good enough to break a shield, well, it cant be rolled out of (i asked this pro smasher tim guy a few weeks ago when i saw him at a tourney, im sure he knows right).True for the most part. But I know for a fact double triple shines aren't necessary. And by the way i didn't understand the second part <_<
To SHELLSHOCK The wavedash shine that you can do is not fast enough to break a shield because you will just get shield grabbed but it does prove very useful in comboing opponents. For example you shine a fox and he goes in the air above you (assuming somewhat low damage) he di's the the right. You wavedash which jc's your shine and you follow his di and jump in the air and dair him which sends him down to the ground. You need to fast fall that and shine him again and repeat the process and when he comes back down you can up air. (You need to be able to shffl everything move) Sry if this is confusing.
Shiz if you want to clear this up you can lol. In the meantime just worry about dair, shine, dair, shine and not about double or triple shines. If you can't shffl well than make that your first priority
So if I don't pillar than i'll be screwed? Like I understand the getting up and shielding vice versa but if I don't do what ill be screwed.well i do agree that the double triple shines arent necessary but if you can do em good enough to break a shield, well, it cant be rolled out of (i asked this pro smasher tim guy a few weeks ago when i saw him at a tourney, im sure he knows right).
and for the second part, what i meant was, if the opponent is lying there next to you and about to get up, you put up your shield right, and pro's know that you will so they dont do the stand-up-attack. but you still get up your shield because if you dont they WILL use the stand-up attack. its a form of mindgames that applies to pillaring as well. you dont have to do but if its sure you wont do it you'll get ****ed.
Indeed. I should have put my sarcasm tags around my last post. I apologize. Im sure you either A) Was any good at the game or B) Were well known and did not have many post, you would say so, and not use profanity or derogitory statements. Since you havnt stated any of those and havnt said anything nice yet (That I have seen), it brings about a bad aura.Handorin......Fool, you think this is my only account.........don't judge what you don't know, also I could be pro, which I'm not, and have posted 5 times total on smashboards, FYI, Joe Bushman, a very technical player and more knowledgeable than practically anyone doesn't even have a friggin account. Shows how much you know about the game/players.
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no, if you can't pillar you're screwed vs pro's. because altho it is true that you wont pillar pro's because they'll roll away or sth, its also true that if you *cant* pillar, pro's will just stay in their shields and grab you.So if I don't pillar than i'll be screwed? Like I understand the getting up and shielding vice versa but if I don't do what ill be screwed.
Thanks for the reply kamikaze falco, and no it wasn't confusing. I'm pretty good at doing the dair to shine over and over (that would be considered shffl right?), so yeah I can do pillaring but still needs work. As for using wavedash out of shine to follow DI I'm still working on that as well. I'm getting there, but I still got a lot more work ahead of me with Falco. With the JC shining, I'll stop doing the wavedash into ground thing and just try to work my fingers faster. Once again thanks for the reply and if I think of any more questions I'll make sure to ask them here, since there at least seems to be some knowledgeable people in the thread.True for the most part. But I know for a fact double triple shines aren't necessary. And by the way i didn't understand the second part <_<
To SHELLSHOCK The wavedash shine that you can do is not fast enough to break a shield because you will just get shield grabbed but it does prove very useful in comboing opponents. For example you shine a fox and he goes in the air above you (assuming somewhat low damage) he di's the the right. You wavedash which jc's your shine and you follow his di and jump in the air and dair him which sends him down to the ground. You need to fast fall that and shine him again and repeat the process and when he comes back down you can up air. (You need to be able to shffl everything move) Sry if this is confusing.
Shiz if you want to clear this up you can lol. In the meantime just worry about dair, shine, dair, shine and not about double or triple shines. If you can't shffl well than make that your first priority
Wow are we sharing similar brains? LOL I couldn't have said it better myself ^_^ (hmm...)<_< jk Some important falco tech that especially proves usefull in falco dittos are the use of the jump canceled shine. like shine to bair or uair. You'll have to see what works for you. Also if he shields like a madman just pillar. If you have trouble getting grabbed go behind him and pillar. also the up throw and down throw (providing he doesn't tech it) prove very useful in combo starters. As well as the dash. But first of all you need to be able to wavedash very well. I use to wavedash with x but i found out y to be more usefull because my fingers are closer to the buttons. It took me a while to get used to.For one, the buttons you press really don't matter that much. There are slight advantages for using Y over X for example, but what's more important is how comfortable you are with it. In order to learn to Wavedash/Shine, just start using it more in your matches. You may lose more at first, but you'll learn to use it effectively for spacing and mindgames in the end.
For Falco Dittos, there has already been some information given in this thread. An important thing is to gain laser dominance, which it seems like you automatically have. Use this to time your approaches, so you get the first hit. Then make sure you have the ability to combo him to hell and back. Always try to end the combo with a strong knockback, and then go for an easy edgeguard.
If he starts playing defensively, you should be able to put the pressure on him. If you L-cancel correctly, he shouldn't be able to shieldgrab you...unless he has crazy timing. Also, you can laser camp him, darting in and out to try and get him to make a mistake and then punish him. Other people have also said to just land the aerial behind him, so he cant grab. If he starts shieldig a lot you can also grab more, making him doubt his own defense.
If he gets you off the stage and edgeguards you with a Dair, your only real chance is to tech it. If you're pretty close to the ledge though, you can firebird at different angles, have him miss his Dair while you drop down onto the ledge. And yes, they do it at higher levels of play, but the opponents DI/tech well enough so a simple Dair edgeguard won't do enough. If he's SHFFLing aerials backward, you can always just catch him when he lands, or if u have enough space, laser him. Actually, you can do almost anything if that's the only thing he's doing at that time. You can dodge, and then hit him. Shield, and jump out with your own aerial.
Depends on their DI at lower percentages honestly.Axem Ranger! Nice! Mario RPG! Great game
Hey, what's the highest damage that you can shine another fox/falco and wavedash into another one w/o leaving the ground? Or can they DI out at any damage? Thx!