Where's my MOTHER?

[blayde_axel]

It's fine to tell a bit of Kumatora. As for her ethnicity, I don't know. My guess is Japanese or something else.

*sigh...* I really wanted to play Mother3... the ending (youtube) made me want to play this game so badly...

A game with a "sad" ending?! By Nintendo?! With originality?! Get outta here!

 

[A Link to the Snitch]

But that's her personality. Sakurai isn't in a position to recreate another developer's character like that.

 

[FlyinG ShoosteR]

*sigh...* I really wanted to play Mother3... the ending (youtube) made me want to play this game so badly...

A game with a "sad" ending?! By Nintendo?! With originality?! Get outta here!

Dude, freaking play it!!!!

I just beat it yesterday, and it was amazing. I loved every second of it. I can't read Japanese at all, but I used the Menu Patch to translate items, battle menus, and names. Then I used a translation guide on Gamefaqs that has all the dialogue translated.

Mother 3 was the first Mother game I've played, and now I'm hooked. I WANT MORE MOTHER!

 

[Zevox]

Well, as for ATs, those seem to be at a premium anyway. The only series to get more than 1 seems to have been Mario (Waluigi, Hammer Bros, Lakitu), unless the disk ripping is right about Ridley being an AT, in which case its only Mario and Metroid. Other series got one or none - Star Fox has Andross, Fire Emblem has Lyn, F-Zero has Samurai Goroh, Zelda has Tingle, Kirby has Knuckle Joe, Wario Ware has Kat&Ana, Mother has Jeff, Metal Gear has Gray Fox, and Sonic has Shadow; while to my knowledge series like Donkey Kong, Kid Icarus, Pikmin, Yoshi, and the other retro series got none at all. Everything else comes from series with no playable character (see: Isaac, Saki, Little Mac, Stafy, Mr. Resetti, Nintendog, etc etc).

[Tangent]...you know, in retrospect, I should be very happy Lyn got her position as an AT. If each series was getting only one at most, it says a lot that she of all the many FE Lords was chosen for that role.[/Tangent]

With trophies, don't know what to tell you. If thats true, it is very weird - even Sonic got over 10 of those (15 I believe was the number I heard), so for Mother to get a measly one (plus presumably two each for Ness and Lucas) is just astounding.

Zevox

 

[Kiki52]

It's fine to tell a bit of Kumatora. As for her ethnicity, I don't know. My guess is Japanese or something else.

Oh shoot. Sorry I wasn't being very smart in saying what I wanted to say.

I meant to say:

Can you tell us about Kumatora?

I was asking if you or anyone else knew about Kumatora if you played Mother 3. I dont know a thing about her because I never played Mother 3 but really want to, I hope Nintendo does.

Sorry about not being clear enough guys

I hope that 'sad' ending doesn't mean Kumatora or Lucas dies at the end.

One guy on this forum had a rumor that those characters who seemed good enough to be a PC that didn't get a trophy in Brawl perhaps his theory was that in SSB4 or downloadable characters (that seems highy unlikely) would be potential PC then. That means maybe Ridley and even Paula as PCs. Geno... I don't know.

 

[Luke Groundwalker]

Oh shoot. Sorry I wasn't being very smart in saying what I wanted to say.

I meant to say:

Can you tell us about Kumatora?

I was asking if you or anyone else knew about Kumatora if you played Mother 3. I dont know a thing about her because I never played Mother 3 but really want to, I hope Nintendo does.

Sorry about not being clear enough guys

I hope that 'sad' ending doesn't mean Kumatora or Lucas dies at the end.

One guy on this forum had a rumor that those characters who seemed good enough to be a PC that didn't get a trophy in Brawl perhaps his theory was that in SSB4 or downloadable characters (that seems highy unlikely) would be potential PC then. That means maybe Ridley and even Paula as PCs. Geno... I don't know.

Everyone dies at the end.

Kumatora is a tomboyish princess and secondary character. She isn't a main priority, though, Claus would definitely get in before her due to his significance in any Smash game. She's next in line, though.

 

[Kiki52]

Wow that's a sad story. Too bad for the spoilers though, but it probably doesn't matter because Nintendo has a chance that Mother 3 won't ever come to Virtual Console.

But I'd like many more trophies in general or at least cameo appearances in the stages. If any of the Mother series doesn't have a PC, I'd like it if like Flint and Kumatora and Duster (is that the dog character?) to be in the background at least. I'd only like that ONLY if there was no PCs nor ATs nor regular trophies.

 

[Luke Groundwalker]

Too bad for the spoilers though, but it probably doesn't matter because Nintendo has a chance that Mother 3 won't ever come to Virtual Console.

The game has been out for more than two years, Earthbound/Mother fans should've ****ing played the game by now. It's like me trying not to spoil that Sheik is Zelda in OoT. It's been out too long and isn't even worth trying to cover up the "spoilers" when it should be common knowledge.

But yeah, Mother 3 probably won't come in the States unless they decide to do a DS port or something.

 

[Mama]

*sigh...* I really wanted to play Mother3... the ending (youtube) made me want to play this game so badly...

A game with a "sad" ending?! By Nintendo?! With originality?! Get outta here!

You'd be surprised at the Mario Galaxy ending then lol.

On topic I think the only reason is due to the series esoteric ways. Its not easily accessible like Mario or Kirby or even the FE franchise. I'm sure its great but I never played any of the games and don't plan to unless a translated localized version is released. I wont play a story driven game if I have to translate things myself no matter how fun the gameplay is.

 

[pika-power]

Sakurai hates MOTHER fans, apparently. At least Ness got his Mr. Saturn shirt as an alt color.

2 playables AND an assist trophy AND two stages? Yeah, I can really see the hate. I mean, look at how much more the Kid Icarus series had!

 

[PanzerOceania]

Lucas is cool, but Flint would have been so much **** cooler.

everyone has watcked this.

NEWCOMER: FLINT

 

[Sabrewulf238]

I don't know why that's the case.....I stopped trying to figure Sakurai out a long time ago.

Strange, Claus didn't even get a trophy?

 

[Big-Cat]

Everyone dies at the end.

Kumatora is a tomboyish princess and secondary character. She isn't a main priority, though, Claus would definitely get in before her due to his significance in any Smash game. She's next in line, though.

Last I checked, everyone survives. Right after the credits, there's a hidden dialog revealing that everyone survived.

I agree that Claus would and should get in before her any day of the week.

 

[Crushed]

Where's my MOTHER?

...It seriously took four pages for an "In my pants" joke?

 

[blayde_axel]

2 playables AND an assist trophy AND two stages? Yeah, I can really see the hate. I mean, look at how much more the Kid Icarus series had!

Kid Icarus had two games staring the same guy.

The Mother Series had three games staring an enormous cast.

Yeah. Really seeing the comparison there.

Anyway, we were talking about trophies at first...

 

[A Link to the Snitch]

Kid Icarus really should've gotten a Grim Reaper Assist Trophy.

 

[LavisFiend]

Because Jeff is da bomb.

 

[Masque]

I suppose you're right. I really shouldn't complain, since Ridley and Dark Samus made it into the roster. OH WAIT!

Seriously, Mother fans have NOTHING to be upset about.

Well, not from the standpoint of how many playable characters there are (which the topic wasn't about in the first place...), but in the quality of representation. No Claus trophy is probably the biggest travesty (in my opinion), simply because of the absolutely integral role he plays in MOTHER3. While he was not playable in Brawl--much to the chagrin of me and numerous others--the fact that Lucas IS playable makes Claus's exclusion from even a trophy just maddening.

I must say, the trophy list is one of the actual disappointments for me in Brawl. Basically all of the older obscure Japan-only character trophies and **** from Melee are gone.

Personally I'd just have all the old trophies return with updated models and then add more, I loved Melee's collection of trophies.

But yeah, there should've been more Mother trophies in Brawl. It's basically a downgrade from Melee to Brawl to take out the Mother 2 party members. They should've kept them and then added the Mother 3 part members.

Exactly! All Sukapon and Takamaru got were stickers (and music, too). It's not bad, but I really would have liked to finally see them in 3D. I don't think Donbe and Hikari got a trophy again, even though Shin Onigashima has music in Brawl. It's just disappointing. I agree with your opinions on the MOTHER trophies, too. Keep the old party members, and include the new ones as well.

Get over it, we don't need more Mother representation, the other characters aren't as important as Ness and Lucas anyway.

The topic wasn't about characters, for one. And second of all, I honestly don't think you know much of anything about the games. If you had played MOTHER3, you would know that Claus is absolutely crucial to the story; as far as I'm concerned, Claus is the heart and soul of that game.

Just seem kinda weird that people were *****ing at you about wanting more MOTHER rep. Cause there really isn't that much. *shrug*

No, not at all. You don't get a good cross-section of the series with what it currently has in Brawl--all you see is Porky from M3...M2 is kind of cast aside (save Jeff, of course).

Wow, just that?? LOL thats really few I admit...

but remember....there are TWO PLAYABLE CHARACTERS from it, thats A LOT.

Well, it's relative. Fire Emblem was nigh unknown in the West when Melee was released, and yet the series still got two reps. It seemed excessive for a Japan-only franchise (at the time); MOTHER, on the other hand, has 3 games, the first two being million sellers (dunno about the third yet). One of those games--MOTHER 2 / EarthBound--was released in the U.S. and maintains a highly devoted fanbase. On the opposite side we have Metroid: hugely popular in the U.S., not so much in Japan. Some in Japan might argue that series like FE and MOTHER are actually underrepresented, both in trophies and in characters, while Western audiences will be the first to criticize the lack of representation of Metroid characters.

And even in the realm of trophies, I'm pretty sure that Metroid still got more than MOTHER. Metroid had more music AND more stages, as well, so it's not like Metroid was ignored.

Yeah... really sucks... but hey, at least Claus's sticker powers you up! Can't deny that's awesome! lol.

But he's not playable...

The Mother series is not overrepresented, nor underrepresented. But it is poorly represented.

Why?

2 Main characters who can't use their own PSI
1 Assist Trophy when the series has been in since 64 (then again, ATs seem to be spread among the NPseries more than being additional reps for the playable ones)
They include Ness, yet include Pokey in his old form, and no Giygas.
Paula, Poo, Claus, Duster and Kumatora don't get to at least be Trophies so we can stare at them in 3D.
Etc.

This is only apparent if you're a Mother fan. If you're not you'll just go "Blah blah, only deserved one playable, blah blah, unimportant series, blah blah..." They are hits in Japan, and amazing, breathtaking games.

(I bolded the most important point, as well as one of the additions I made to the necessary trophy list.)

I'm glad to see each series (or so) get at least one AT. I don't so much mind how they've given movesets to Ness / Lucas by using PSI taken from other characters, but I certainly agree that it is misrepresenting the franchise. I also agree that, as much as I love MOTHER3 and as much as I believe it to be far superior to EB in every way possible, it seems as though EB was kind of disregarded in terms of trophies. Maybe Sakurai thought that Jeff as an AT would make up for it...? Regardless, the lack of trophies of at least the main party members from each game is highly disappointing.

It's a shame, too, because they truly are fantastic games.

About all this MOTHER talk, it seems like in general Sakurai should have not hyped Brawl so much. So we wouldn't be as disappointed about having reps from any series, especially MOTHER.

Not even having Paula as a trophy. That's just horrible. Although one of the lists on this site I think may have said she may be a sticker OR a trophy, but I am not sure which.

^ is right that we needed more Earthbound music.

No kidding.

And I personally like the music better from M3, but it would have been nice to at least get the Onett Theme for Onett.

i hated ness from the beginning claus would have been way better then lucas or ness

See, I mained Ness back in the 64 days. He seemed cool enough. Once I heard about MOTHER3, though, I became immediately intrigued. I played it, and it is truly one of the best games I have ever played. The story in and of itself is just phenomenal. Claus appealed to me as the most interesting character, so while I was happy for Lucas, it was disappointing to see Claus get excluded for a character that I like far less, not to mention one with a story far less compelling.

Plain and simple MOTHER doesn't have as much fans as series like Fire Emblem or even Metroid

Depends on where you go. MOTHER in Japan is huge, while Metroid isn't very popular at all over there--certainly not as popular as it is in the U.S.

Mother is a franchise dating back to the NES, and the first two games are million sellers.

Sogeking, all I can say is, hello! And... goodbye! Don't go to heaven.

Oh, and the hierarchy of Mother representation goes...

Ness
Lucas
Claus
Kumatora
Paula

.

(Isn't it funny how much amusement we can get out of something that only came about because the localization team was too afraid to put "hell" in the game? )

And I wholeheartedly agree with your hierarchy. While I don't like Ness nearly as much, he is still the top choice for the franchise. Oh, Claus...We Miss You.

*starts singing MOTHER 3 Love Theme*

It's fine to tell a bit of Kumatora. As for her ethnicity, I don't know. My guess is Japanese or something else.

I wouldn't be so sure, though. Remember that the MOTHER series is supposed to represent the West; in fact, I believe Itoi-san once mentioned that the series took place in America. (Lucas and Claus's appearances are perfect examples.) She could very well be Japanese (her name fits, anyhow), but she could very well be American / Caucasian.

*sigh...* I really wanted to play Mother3... the ending (youtube) made me want to play this game so badly...

A game with a "sad" ending?! By Nintendo?! With originality?! Get outta here!

I know--just one aspect of its brilliance.

Everyone dies at the end.

Kumatora is a tomboyish princess and secondary character. She isn't a main priority, though, Claus would definitely get in before her due to his significance in any Smash game. She's next in line, though.

Well, not everyone....

Agreed about Claus, though. If he doesn't get in next time around, 'twill have been a dire injustice.

The game has been out for more than two years, Earthbound/Mother fans should've ****ing played the game by now. It's like me trying not to spoil that Sheik is Zelda in OoT. It's been out too long and isn't even worth trying to cover up the "spoilers" when it should be common knowledge.

But yeah, Mother 3 probably won't come in the States unless they decide to do a DS port or something.

Funny how that particular analogy also betrays the nature one of the major M3 "spoilers"...sort of.

I'd really like to see a DS port. In fact, I think they could make a killing by porting M2 / M3 as a combo-pack for the DS. You'll get the EB diehards, new Lucas fans (from SSBB and the like), M3 enthusiasts, and the random gamer from time to time (if the marketing is good).

You'd be surprised at the Mario Galaxy ending then lol.

On topic I think the only reason is due to the series esoteric ways. Its not easily accessible like Mario or Kirby or even the FE franchise. I'm sure its great but I never played any of the games and don't plan to unless a translated localized version is released. I wont play a story driven game if I have to translate things myself no matter how fun the gameplay is.

Erm...how is it surprising? You mean with

Spoiler

Rosalina

?

I agree that the franchise's idiosyncratic nature--lovable though it may be--is what prevents it from spreading like wildfire. And keep checking up on http://mother3.fobby.net because they're doing a fan-made translation. Rest assured, however--this translation will be awesome, not some throw-away patch. They're really putting their heart and soul into it.

2 playables AND an assist trophy AND two stages? Yeah, I can really see the hate. I mean, look at how much more the Kid Icarus series had!

Retro game (I'm not counting the GB game) with only one truly playable character that hasn't been seen for a good 15 years =/= existing franchise with plenty of interesting and notable characters, not to mention MOTHER being a series with multiple titles selling over a million copies apiece that just had a new game released two years ago.

An Eggplant Wizard AT would have been nice, though.

I don't know why that's the case.....I stopped trying to figure Sakurai out a long time ago.

Strange, Claus didn't even get a trophy?

More than strange--just plain wrong.

 

[Luke Groundwalker]

Last I checked, everyone survives. Right after the credits, there's a hidden dialog revealing that everyone survived.

I agree that Claus would and should get in before her any day of the week.

Lol, I know, but I wanted to trick people since a lot of people are fooled into believing everyone dies.

But essentially everyone does indeed die along with the whole world, but it's all recreated by the dragon, so what I said wasn't a complete lie!

 

[Big-Cat]

I wouldn't be so sure, though. Remember that the MOTHER series is supposed to represent the West; in fact, I believe Itoi-san once mentioned that the series took place in America. (Lucas and Claus's appearances are perfect examples.) She could very well be Japanese (her name fits, anyhow), but she could very well be American / Caucasian.

Agreed about Claus, though. If he doesn't get in next time around, 'twill have been a dire injustice.

I'd really like to see a DS port. In fact, I think they could make a killing by porting M2 / M3 as a combo-pack for the DS. You'll get the EB diehards, new Lucas fans (from SSBB and the like), M3 enthusiasts, and the random gamer from time to time (if the marketing is good).

Yeah, she could be anything, but the sprites make it hard to tell. Not to mention that most characters in Japanese games all have light skin so it makes it more confusing.

No Claus in SSB4 would be an injustice to him. And he seemed like a shoo-in like a bunch of others.

A DS port of the MOTHER trilogy would be super special awesome. It'd be even better if we had a console remake for all three in a Wind Waker-esque style. I can tell you that Ness would probably have nothing to do with MOTHER3 or any other game coming over with the exception of MOTHER 2. This is because his inclusion in Melee and SSB did nothing to get MOTHER 1+2 here.

 

[SirPainsalot]

DK and Metroid Series are even more neglected. 1 character and 1 assist trophy? 2 characters and NO assist trophy?

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

Get over it, we don't need more Mother representation, the other characters aren't as important as Ness and Lucas anyway.

Sure, with that logic I guess Claus is just as minor as a Goomba in the Mario series. Honestly, you're only saying this b/c Ness got in the game. There's more to a game than a protagonist.

 

[Big-Cat]

DK and Metroid Series are even more neglected. 1 character and 1 assist trophy? 2 characters and NO assist trophy?

Are you even reading the whole OP? This has little to do with characters. It has to do with a lack of the essential MOTHER trophies.

 

[DeuceBlade]

There are other franchises that deserved to get more reps far more than Mother: Donkey Kong, Metroid...
Donkey Kong should have a trophy for each ape, metroid and Kid icarus too.

Mother isn't as deserving as DK or Metroid.

Really, who needs more than Ness? hes awesome.

 

[A Link to the Snitch]

No one cares about DK anymore.

Mother's a popular franchise in Japan, DK and Metroid aren't. DK and Metroid got more than Mother got - they actually got trophies of content not in Brawl.

 

[Masque]

There are other franchises that deserved to get more reps far more than Mother: Donkey Kong, Metroid...
Donkey Kong should have a trophy for each ape, metroid and Kid icarus too.

Mother isn't as deserving as DK or Metroid.

Really, who needs more than Ness? hes awesome.

...

Well, first of all, DK and Metroid did get more reps this time around. The only franchise that lost reps (as far as amounts go) would be Mario. In the context of Smash, Metroid, DK, and MOTHER have all been Smashing since the days of SSB64, and only in Brawl did any of them get a new rep.

Don't get me wrong--all of those franchises probably deserve more trophy-based representation than they got in Brawl. But you cannot say that MOTHER isn't as deserving a franchise as DK or Metroid. MOTHER's popularity far surpasses Metroid's in Japan, and (personally) I would say that the quality of the MOTHER series trumps that of the DK series--the latter statement is merely opinion, though.

I don't think that you (or anyone) can rightfully compare franchises like that; it's kind of like apples and oranges. And frankly, I could easily do without Ness. EB was a great game, sure, but Ness has no personality. Nothing distinguishes Ness for me; MOTHER3, on the other hand, truly develops its characters, including the protagonist. Ness was kind of the "everyman," the generic hero through whom the player could presumably play vicariously. With Lucas, however, M3 truly tells a story by allowing the player to control an actual character with defined characteristics.

No one cares about DK anymore.

Mother's a popular franchise in Japan, DK and Metroid aren't. DK and Metroid got more than Mother got - they actually got trophies of content not in Brawl.

This. Hell, MOTHER didn't even get trophies of content that was in Brawl. (I'm looking at you, Ultimate Chimera...)

 

[Luke Groundwalker]

Really, who needs more than Ness? hes awesome.

No Ness sucks. Yes, I said it. He literally sucks in his own **** series and will always suck unless there's an even worse Mother main character out there, which is almost impossible.

 

[Rash]

Not enough Mother songs in the soundtrack, either. What the heck?

 

[Big-Cat]

I know. Although, according to the decryption, some music was cut. Maybe it was Catherine Warwick's Pollyanna and Bein' Friends, the St. Peter's Cathedrial Choir's Eight Melodies, and the Giygas Theme.

 

[blayde_axel]

Not enough Mother songs in the soundtrack, either. What the heck?

6... out of an average 11. Hmm...

And I'm sure we MOTHER fans know they had some awesome music... (Pokey Battle Music)

 

[Big-Cat]

6... out of an average 11. Hmm...

And I'm sure we MOTHER fans know they had some awesome music... (Pokey Battle Music)

Actually, the battle music, Unfounded Revenge, is from the battle against the Scary Womanizing Pig Mask.

 

[blayde_axel]

Actually, the battle music, Unfounded Revenge, is from the battle against the Scary Womanizing Pig Mask.

Oh, awesome. (Still haven't played MOTHER3, of course.)

But they still had some other great choices that they overlooked. All of the battle music was weird, catchy, and great for Smash Bros. But, whatever. Snowman sounds great.

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

There are other franchises that deserved to get more reps far more than Mother: Donkey Kong, Metroid...
Donkey Kong should have a trophy for each ape, metroid and Kid icarus too.

Mother isn't as deserving as DK or Metroid.

Really, who needs more than Ness? hes awesome.

Obviously many of us could do without Ness, and if it meant adding another character to one the two series you mentioned, many would get rid of the hat wearing failure. Ness is awesome to you, but when the our day comes, I will show you just how useless his inclusion was.

 

[PrettyGoodYear]

There are other franchises that deserved to get more reps far more than Mother: Donkey Kong, Metroid...
Donkey Kong should have a trophy for each ape, metroid and Kid icarus too.

Mother isn't as deserving as DK or Metroid.

Really, who needs more than Ness? hes awesome.

OMG... why the hell are you so freaking ignorant? Do you like being stupid?

Of course DK and Metroid need more representation!! Where's my K. Rool? Where's my Ridley? My Dixie? My Dark Samus? Even freaking Sylux??

BUT, this is a Mother thread. Stop pretending you're a fan of the series just because you like Ness and play the games for goodness sake.

And get this through your head: WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT CHARACTERS!!

 

[Masque]

No Ness sucks. Yes, I said it. He literally sucks in his own **** series and will always suck unless there's an even worse Mother main character out there, which is almost impossible.

Harsh. But I agree in the sense that Ness is generic and has no personality. Lucas, however, is a fully fleshed-out character. He's just more interesting.

Not enough Mother songs in the soundtrack, either. What the heck?

Totally agreed! There was SO much more that we could have had. Mr. Batty Twist? Theme of Bad Boy? Open Sesame Oil / Tofu? Hell, all of Funky Monkey Dance, for that matter! Duster's Theme, even? There was a lot missing that I would have loved.

And that's not even accounting for the EB music we could have had for Onett. Onett Theme, for one. Then there's Summers, Giygas' Theme, Fourside, etc.

I know. Although, according to the decryption, some music was cut. Maybe it was Catherine Warwick's Pollyanna and Bein' Friends, the St. Peter's Cathedrial Choir's Eight Melodies, and the Giygas Theme.

That would be extremely disappointing.

(Although I would be even more upset if it were MOTHER3 music that got cut...)

6... out of an average 11. Hmm...

And I'm sure we MOTHER fans know they had some awesome music... (Pokey Battle Music)

I absolutely LOVE "Theme of Bad Boy" from MOTHER3i! Shame that we didn't get it in Brawl.

 

[HarryTheChin]

Needs MOAR CLAUS! But, other franchises needed more rep other than MOTHER though. Metroid, F-Zero, Donkey Kong (King K FTW!), Fire Emblem, Perhaps even Wario or Yoshi IMO.

 

[PrettyGoodYear]

Needs MOAR CLAUS! But, other franchises needed more rep other than MOTHER though. Metroid, F-Zero, Donkey Kong (King K FTW!), Fire Emblem, Perhaps even Wario or Yoshi IMO.

Yes, that has been stated. Next game, Mother should get more reps, but so should all those others you just mentioned. Except Yoshi. (Sorry Yoshi, you're my favorite Mario character, but your franchise is pretty much glued to Mario's)

Claus for SSB4? Paula for SSB4? Kumatora for SSB4? Duster for SSB4? Boney for SSB4? Flint for SSB4? Jeff for SSB4? Poo for SSB4?

Who knows. Time will tell... in like, 5-7 years.

 

[Big-Cat]

Yes, that has been stated. Next game, Mother should get more reps, but so should all those others you just mentioned. Except Yoshi. (Sorry Yoshi, you're my favorite Mario character, but your franchise is pretty much glued to Mario's)

Claus for SSB4? Paula for SSB4? Kumatora for SSB4? Duster for SSB4? Boney for SSB4? Flint for SSB4? Jeff for SSB4? Poo for SSB4?

Who knows. Time will tell... in like, 5-7 years.

I think the chances of at least getting those characters in is if we have someone else do the next one that's willing to be as accurate as possible to the original sources.

By the way, if that happens, this should be Lucas and Ness' movesets:

Lucas:
B: PK Love: Lucas releases PK Love from the heart and it explodes with a medium radius.

Side B: Salt Water Gun: Shoots out salt water that damages with its bad taste. Has minor knockback. It can be held down with the B button until it's all out.

Down B: PK Counter: Lucas sets up a shield around around himself. When he's hit, the shield shatters and attacks the opponent.

Up B: Bird Cage: Takes out a cage filled with birds that raise him up.

Final Smash: PK Love Ω: Like the regular PK Love but it covers the entire stage if it's done from the center of the stage.

Ness:

B: PK Paralysis: Works like how Ness' PK Flash works already in the SSB series. However, this freezes the opponent in place.

Side B: PK Flash: Shoots out a grean beam that, if it hits the opponent, leaves the opponent in a broken shield state.

Down B: PK Hypnosis: Works like Mewtwo's but better range and inflicts no damage.

Up B: PK Teleport: Disappears and then poofs out of nowhere like Shiek, Mewtwo, and Zelda.

Final Smash: PK ROCKIN'!!!!!!!!!!!: Ness makes a guitar out of PSI and then starts playing a rock version of Pollyanna. The notes then go off in random directions and Ness is invincible during this.

Grab: Instead of the Rope Snake, he uses the Shield Snatcher.

 

[A Link to the Snitch]

People will certainly agree that Ness has no personality, but does Link suck for his lack of personality?

No?

****ing right.

Oh, and why in the world would we get rid of PK Thunder?

Ideal moveset =

Lucas:
B: PK Freeze
Smash B: PK Fire
Up B: PK Thunder
Down B: PK Earth
Final Smash: PK Starstorm

Ness:
B: PK Flash
Smash B: PK Brainshock
Up B: PK Teleport
Down B: PK Shield
Final Smash: PK Rockin'

Simple. Lucas is primarily offensive, Ness is primarily defensive. Give Ness some extra speed and jump, Lucas the extra offense.

 

[Golem the Stern Father]

Ideal moveset =

Lucas:
B: PK Freeze
Smash B: PK Fire
Up B: PK Thunder
Down B: PK Earth
Final Smash: PK Starstorm

Ness:
B: PK Flash
Smash B: PK Brainshock
Up B: PK Teleport
Down B: PK Shield
Final Smash: PK Rockin'.

Out of all the moveset posts for Mother/Earth based characters, this one seems like the most logical. (and there are a lot)
Maybe Lucus' Final Smash PK love, and it's perfect. But, that's just me.