what's the best way to get up from the ledge? My opponent uses marth a lot and everytime I try a ledgehopped fair, he fsmashes me and I usually die. His sword outranges all my attacks too. I sometimes do SHADing, but that's easily punishable. I've seen the pros (like Anther) do a ledgehopped thunderjolt, which I've been working on that recently against my opponent. Can you ledgehop and somehow do a QAC? I've never seen anyone do that so I'm not sure if its possible.