What strategy do players try to abuse against your main?

[Haloedhero]

I've played A LOT of FG on 3DS, and I've noticed that half the time my opponents seem to think I only won because of my character, so they attempt a counter pick and then still lose.

I main Mega Man, so this takes one of two forms—or sometimes both—depending on my opponent:

1. The player clearly assumes I'm "spamming" projectiles and counter picks a character with a reflector.

2. The player again assumes projectile spam is why I'm winning, so they pick a character like Link, Tink, Spamus, or Lucario and try to out "spam" me.

You might think I'm reading too much into my opponents' character choices, but it happens too frequently to be a coincidence.

I'm curious as to what people with other mains experience, as I also understand that Little Macs face opponents who camp by the ledge and just try to throw them off and gimp. So what do players try against you that makes you roll your eyes and laugh as you show them that there's no secret trick to getting outplayed?

 

[dahuterschuter]

I also understand that Little Macs face opponents who camp by the ledge and just try to throw them off and gimp

In an FG match between two skilled players, any Mac vs Anyone other than Mac match will result in a kick for idling because the non-Mac will stand at the ledge, and the Mac will stay in the center, because either would be stupid to enter the other's territory. Everyone and their grandmother knows how to abuse Mac's superarmor and counter at this point, and the same amount know that shieldgrabbing a stupid dash attack at the ledge is Mac's recipe for KO. Such is the magic of every stage being FD.

The funny thing is that the Mac player could actually approach if they stopped dashing everywhere and just paced forward with ftilts towards the ledge which are going to outrange everyone's grab range and send them offstage, but everyone in FG seems to thing that the only way to control Mac is with the C-stick.

 

[Haloedhero]

Hey, if you reworded your post to "novices always think they can win by switching to Little Mac, dashing everywhere, and mashing the c stick. Then they get wrecked because everyone knows how to counter that by now," it would've actually fit the thread instead of being an unnecessary rant about things everyone already knows (which you even say yourself). You're right! Everyone does know that already, which is why I didn't bother reiterating it needlessly.

 

[Pikalink]

Mega Man relies on projectiles because half of his moveset are projectiles. He is hard to fight if your fighting a Mega Man who knows what they are doing. To bad spaming reflects will just make your opponent take advantage of it. Such as coming up to pummel you into the ground intead of justing using projectiles.
Back to the topic I often use Shulk on FG on both versions. Yet on the WiiU I often get people thinking I won with the Monado arts. So they switch to Kirby in hopes I will get eaten by them. Most of the time they fail. When they do eat me they:
1. Have no idea even how to use Kirby right.
And 2. Hardly have any idea which art is the best to use. They use shield when their damage is less than 80% and smash at 100%.

 

[Doruge]

In an FG match between two skilled players, any Mac vs Anyone other than Mac match will result in a kick for idling because the non-Mac will stand at the ledge, and the Mac will stay in the center, because either would be stupid to enter the other's territory. Everyone and their grandmother knows how to abuse Mac's superarmor and counter at this point, and the same amount know that shieldgrabbing a stupid dash attack at the ledge is Mac's recipe for KO. Such is the magic of every stage being FD.

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

 

[SwoodGrommet]

I'm sure this is really obvious and something everyone will say, but....

If I beat someone easily multiple times with my main, they automatically assume that he's sooo braindead to use and they try to beat me with him. It's not my fault that I don't get caught out by Upperdashes, grabs and approaching aerials. For the disrespect, I of course taunt after every taken stock. I very much enjoy seeing them leave afterwards. These guys don't even use their tilts!

Other than that, which is the most common thing I see, characters like Mario straight up spam their cape reflect. Even on the first match we play, because they assume I'm going to spam Light Arrows.They're pulling it out when I'm not even using my projectile.

I don't play For Glory very often, so that's all that's coming to me right now.

 

[Wintropy]

I don't think it's ever happened to me, or at least not that I'm consciously aware of.

I do notice people switching out a lot when I beat them, though I think that's just as much for variety as it is to try and counter me.

 

[Jae]

when I use Rock against peepo and beat them they switch to a reflecty character

 

[PikaPower500]

Most of the time whenever i win with Mega Man. I instantly get called a boring spammer or something, then they try to counter pick me with either Rosalina, Fox, Falco, and even Palutena. I really don't have a problem with reflect characters since most of the time, it's easy to bait out the reflector. I get sick and tired of people saying that Mega Man loses quickly to reflect characters, when the majority of Mega Man mains can deal with them.

Though one problem that i tend to have, is dealing with another zoning character like Link, Samus, etc. It forces me to do more closing in, than keeping away.

 

[TheGreatMetagod]

People try to projectile-spam me after I win, like they don't understand that I can instantly move out of shine (If I reflect something). I'm perfectly fine camping zoners with lasers/shine until they approach. Though, I suppose that's more of a scrubby FG mindset than a real Fox counter.

Now that I think about it, a lot of people seem to counter-pick Fox with people with counters (Little Mac, Shulk, Marth) like they think I'm some kind of button mashing maniac. I know the Marth/Lucina match-up pretty well, (Marth/Lucina can't counter hits below them.) and counters are usually easily baited and punished. The worst ones are the people that just spam Counters back-to-back-to-back.

 

[Saclam]

I usually expect them to counter pick me with projectile spam(rob,toon link,villagers) if it's not that then it's them rolling trying to stall for sudden death(ddd,rob,warios).

 

[Sean²]

I've played A LOT of FG on 3DS, and I've noticed that half the time my opponents seem to think I only won because of my character, so they attempt a counter pick and then still lose.

I main Mega Man, so this takes one of two forms—or sometimes both—depending on my opponent:

1. The player clearly assumes I'm "spamming" projectiles and counter picks a character with a reflector.

2. The player again assumes projectile spam is why I'm winning, so they pick a character like Link, Tink, Spamus, or Lucario and try to out "spam" me.

You might think I'm reading too much into my opponents' character choices, but it happens too frequently to be a coincidence.

I'm curious as to what people with other mains experience, as I also understand that Little Macs face opponents who camp by the ledge and just try to throw them off and gimp. So what do players try against you that makes you roll your eyes and laugh as you show them that there's no secret trick to getting outplayed?

I posted pretty much this exact same thing in another thread some time ago.

I play Duck Hunt and I get Falco "counterpicked" a lot. (it's not really counterpicking if they are really bad at playing Falco). Then they stall, laser, and try to reflect the can and at me until time is up.

But I generally get hit with a lot of Megaman, Link, Falco when I pick Duck Hunt to try to counter projectiles with more projectiles.

When I win as Ganondorf or Bowser....same thing happens. I'm dodging arrows like I'm in Lord of the Rings over here.

 

[GhostUrsa]

I posted pretty much this exact same thing in another thread some time ago.

I play Duck Hunt and I get Falco "counterpicked" a lot. (it's not really counterpicking if they are really bad at playing Falco). Then they stall, laser, and try to reflect the can and at me until time is up.

But I generally get hit with a lot of Megaman, Link, Falco when I pick Duck Hunt to try to counter projectiles with more projectiles.

When I win as Ganondorf or Bowser....same thing happens. I'm dodging arrows like I'm in Lord of the Rings over here.

I've had people switch to projectile focused characters or good aerial characters after one match quite often as of late, which after a while has me tasting a little salt. Not because they get difficult (most of the time, as experienced above, they don't know what they are doing. I do get some where it may be their secondary though and it shows.) but because their first pick was a Match Up that I don't see very often and wanted more experience against it. A few matches may have given them better results than their switch did, from what I've seen.

 

[Goolloom]

When I beat them with Donkey Kong or Ganondorf they instantly pick someone with a projectile and spam, most likely Link or Samus

 

[RBreadsticks]

I main and these are always the counter picks if I win:
Reflect reflect reflect auto reticle

Shine shine shine shine

Tries to spam projectiles gets them knocked back by reflector arm

If they're smart they switch to a fast rush down character because that actually works. I don't know why people counter pick random characters based off reflectors or counter spam

 

[Octagon]

People pick Link because he is a good matchup against Duck Hunt and they projectile spam on the edge and i can still win because they dont know what they're doing and i just punish, but its still annoying as hell

 

[pershona]

While using people tend to counter pick me with since his Aura gives a huge problem to a character that cant KO well.
For people usually switch to because her Down B stops a lot of Robin's good moves and she's hard to approach.
For most people just choose to go or too.
For people tend to use for some reason.

 

[Ryuji]

I've noticed some players run away and stall when I activate Shield Art for Shulk when I have a high percentage. I'll also see characters with a much faster speed than Shulk just run around and wait until I attack then come in for the punish due to the end lag. Other than that, there's not really much else. Yes projectiles can be abused against Shulk, but there are ways around that which I've devised.

 

[Diamond DHD]

I have absolutely no idea why, and maybe some ZSS/Wario mains can explain this to me, but whenever I play Wario in FG, the opponent 90% of the time will switch to ZSS. My assumption is that they think they can side-b and divekick their way to victory against the bike, which doesn't work since I can just jump off and kick them in the face, but I really have no idea what they think ZSS can abuse against Wario.

Also, as a DHD main, reflector reflector reflector opponent switching name to "nice spam" reflector reflector, also Link is a very common counter-pick, but I think he's generally common on FG due to how easy he is to play.

 

[Conn1496]

Yes projectiles can be abused against Shulk, but there are ways around that which I've devised.

"JUMP!" over them? Usually what I do.

As for me:
Pretty much everyone will pick a projectile counter - no idea why, Koops' projectile game is not that important. Infact, it's pretty close to abyssmal (Poor little Pit(too), he can't even reflect MKs anyway.).
-and since I started playing a lot more, people seem to think I can't spot-dodge punish dash-grabs, or jump over projectiles. Usually ends up with a face-full of Dorf-foot for them.

 

[Ryuji]

"JUMP!" over them? Usually what I do.

Exactly. Or just switch to Speed, anticipate the projectile and jump over it, then a quick forward air to the face. This works because projectile users can't use another move or dodge during the initial use of the projectile.

 

[Octagon]

Also, as a DHD main, reflector reflector reflector opponent switching name to "nice spam" reflector reflector, also Link is a very common counter-pick, but I think he's generally common on FG due to how easy he is to play.

Omg I've seen people counter pick with reflecting characters like Fox or Palutena but I've never seen someone switch their tag to "nice spam" haha that's hilarious. Link is definitely a common counter-pick for Duck Hunt cause of the shield and opposing projectiles

 

[outfoxd]

Omg I've seen people counter pick with reflecting characters like Fox or Palutena but I've never seen someone switch their tag to "nice spam" haha that's hilarious. Link is definitely a common counter-pick for Duck Hunt cause of the shield and opposing projectiles

The way people counterpick, you'd think they were winning money.

 

[Octagon]

The way people counterpick, you'd think they were winning money.

Ikr its hilariously annoying

 

[RoachCake]

Way too many people on FG believe that "Reflector = Samus Counter = EZ win". So when I win our first match, they always switch to Fox, Falco, or Mario and spam their reflectors expecting me to throw out Missiles and CS the entire game or something. They never learn (Or win).

If you fear Samus' CS, you may as well just SD, cause a good Samus will notice your fear and use it against you.

 

[Comet Knight]

I'm sure this is really obvious and something everyone will say, but....

If I beat someone easily multiple times with my main, they automatically assume that he's sooo braindead to use and they try to beat me with him. It's not my fault that I don't get caught out by Upperdashes, grabs and approaching aerials. For the disrespect, I of course taunt after every taken stock. I very much enjoy seeing them leave afterwards. These guys don't even use their tilts!

Other than that, which is the most common thing I see, characters like Mario straight up spam their cape reflect. Even on the first match we play, because they assume I'm going to spam Light Arrows.They're pulling it out when I'm not even using my projectile.

I don't play For Glory very often, so that's all that's coming to me right now.

They do the exact same to me. I main Villager so I get it all too often. I always bait them to cut down the tree as I pocket backwards and then kill them with a pocket tree and taunt. That is my pet peeve on FG, they think they can beat you with your own main because they think it's easy and it makes me a little mad. My friends ask me how I can even play Villager and they think he's hard to play as. People need to sit down and stop being salty.

 

[Amiracle]

When I play Zelda, they often switch to Captain Falcon or little Mac

 

[Nexin]

When I play Palutena, often my opponent will switch over to a rushdown character like Captain Falcon. While they may occasionally give me a legitimately good match after doing that, most of the time, it becomes pretty clear that they have little experience playing as that character and/or don't know how to deal with Palutena.

 

[NeymarJr24]

Killing my Luma

 

[Sleek Media]

Lots of people try to use reflectors against Mega Man. It never works out. A fair number will try to ditto him as well...most of the time it's such a massacre that I've actually started giving them a 50% head start.

 

[MarioFireRed]

Rushdowns like Falcon and Mac always try and dash at me to make sure I choose the wrong Monado Art. Too bad for them that Speed is the second art in rotation.

They also sometimes switch to a projectile user like Link or Robin and bombard me if I spent the match prior mostly in Buster/Vanilla/Smash Shulk thanks to predictable reads.

 

[Mewtwo929]

I'm curious as to what people with other mains experience, as I also understand that Little Macs face opponents who camp by the ledge and just try to throw them off and gimp. So what do players try against you that makes you roll your eyes and laugh as you show them that there's no secret trick to getting outplayed?

Lol, I main little mac and when I saw this thread I was ready to say exactly that, but apparently it is an often used tactic (though they never win lol). I just wait them out or run up to them and grab THEM and either toss 'em overboard or into the middle to deal with them.

 

[SphericalCrusher]

I main Link, so I have not found one consistent thing that people do against me. It's always just various things when I do lose.

 

[wedl!!]

a lot of people just pick like spam characters against my peach or ganon for some reason when they get bodied.

 

[PCHU]

People just kinda stand there vs. me because I always want to go on the offensive no matter who I'm playing as, leaving me to space with laggy aerials and over extend myself for the possibility of landing a grab.
Running away is also a good strategy because everyone and their mother is faster than Dedede/pretty much anyone else I like to use.

It hurts to play sometimes.

 

[Watchful_Eye]

I am playing a lot with fox right now, and many people rage-counterpick me with little mac. He indeed is a tough matchup for Fox, even though those players usually are so bad that it does not help them. I have to confess though that it even worked a few times. Stupid KO Punch ;o

Against my Kirby many people go Bowser or Ganon; against my Mario many people go Fox or Falco. And against my shulk many people go Duck Hunt.

 

[Tino]

Well, I mainly use Rosalina and Mega Man and some of Link, Falco, Shulk and even Little Mac.

What I normally see is they switch to whatever character I used to beat him/her in the last match and I still end up beating them.

 

[Nexin]

Palutena: Recently, I've noticed that a lot of people are switching to Sheik if I win with Palutena. While that is Palutena's worst matchup, it is mostly because Sheik has so many safe approach options against her that I have to make a read on what they are going to try. With that in mind, their advantage tends to fade quickly when they run in at me like an idiot or, less dumb, only approach in one way.

Ike: This one hasn't changed much. Most people switch to a character that have a projectile and use nothing but that projectile. While I actually like zoning due to the amount of intelligence it takes to completely prevent somebody from approaching, just spamming projectiles, which is what most people who try that tactic do, is boring and pretty easy to deal with.

Olimar: Most people just switch to a character with a reflector and spam that. Unfortunately for people who try that, my main has a reflector, so I know how to get past reflector spam without having to worry about my Pikmin accidentally hitting me.

 

[pepi1197]

I've noticed that instead of avoiding using energy-based projectiles against me when the other person is using Samus, Fox, Falco or the like, they'll switch to Link or Toon Link and attempt to zone me with arrows, boomerangs and bombs. Most seem to not realize that my bucket absorbs bombs until it's too late.

 

[yoshi8984]

I'm a Ness main, and here are some thing I get...

- They think they can be a meatshield to my PK Thunder right away. More often than not, I still hit them in the duration PKT passes through something and then die to PKT2 and I usually still make it back.

- People who don't know I can do a PKT2 rebound instantly taunt if I ever get Meteor Smashed on the right side of the stage and there's a wall for me to rebound off of. It is so satisfying watching them taunt as I successfully recover.

- Some try to CP Rosalina or Villager against me thinking they can Gravity Pull or Pocket my PKT when I recover. I don't let that happen though.

- Some even try to Ness ditto me, but all I see from them is trying to Fair and PKF me which I read with ease, then they don't even know how to control PKT. Or they go someone with a reflector because apparently PK Fire isn't easy to avoid or punishable.