What does lack of wavedash mean for Pika?

[Tagxy]

So because there's no wavedashing in brawl, will this hurt pika as he relied on it for increased range? Or will it help that other (maybe higher tier?) charaters relied on it more for their game than Pika did?

Actually I should have made the title include the physics of Brawl in general. For instance, in an article Gimpy linked it said the game tends to focus more on aerials than previous smash iterations. It sounds like this is something that will work to the advantage of pikachu.

 

[Gimpyfish62]

it means nothing this game is not melee without wavedashing it plays almost nothing like it

 

[Kirby knight]

So because there's no wavedashing in brawl, will this hurt pika as he relied on it for increased range? Or will it help that other (maybe higher tier?) charaters relied on it more for their game than Pika did?

Actually I should have made the title include the physics of Brawl in general. For instance, in an article Gimpy linked it said the game tends to focus more on aerials than previous smash iterations. It sounds like this is something that will work to the advantage of pikachu.

What are you talking about first of all, I think your under the assumption that this is Melee 2.0, Brawl is an entirely new game.

-Knight

 

[2007]

thank goodness Brawl is not Melee 2.0
On the same note, Gimpy said Pikach was better than he was in Melee. that is all. life is good.
=2007=

 

[Tagxy]

it means nothing this game is not melee without wavedashing it plays almost nothing like it

It will obviously help or hurt some characters more or less. I know there's a lot of changes but I was talking about one in particular.

 

[Dragothel]

im kinda glad there is no wavedashing, makes it more difficult

 

[BentoBox]

It will obviously help or hurt some characters more or less. I know there's a lot of changes but I was talking about one in particular.

No. He's played the game, you haven't. Don't assume.

 

[Tagxy]

This isn't an assumption, it's logic. Either the game will be exactly the same, or there will be changes and it will help some characters and hurt others. It's already been said that this isnt the same game, so the only question left is whether it will help or hurt.

 

[Teebs]

This isn't an assumption, it's logic. Either the game will be exactly the same, or there will be changes and it will help some characters and hurt others. It's already been said that this isnt the same game, so the only question left is whether it will help or hurt.

Of course it's a different game, and it will most likely hurt everyone's gameplay. It's just a new challenge for everyone to overcome. It'll be like going from SSB64 to Melee when that change came.

 

[Gimpyfish62]

no no its an assumption

its a whole new physics engine, if every character acted the same as they did in melee this would obviously have inherant advantages/disadvantages, but the characters do not transfer over remotely the same way that would be required to answer such a bizare question

the lack of wavedashing doesn't affect pikachu anymore than it affects samus or any less than it affects bowser

its a new game with new physics

 

[Tagxy]

the lack of wavedashing doesn't affect pikachu anymore than it affects samus or any less than it affects bowser

That doesnt make sense. If wavedashing helped certain characters more than others in melee, then even if there were other major changes a lack of wavedashing would help certain characters more than others as well.

 

[Gimpyfish62]

they aren't the same characters. that is the point i'm stressing

 

[GOTM]

experience and smarts are going to play the main role in brawl. they did play a role in melee but you could overcome a little bit of this by having mad technical skill. this wont happen anymore. this could be a good thing or a bad thing we'll just have to see how it works out.

also, just having online play was going to increase the amount of good players anyway, so the space between pros and n00bs already decreased before we found out about all the techs not being there.

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

Nah hugs said it in the interview, noobs will always suck because they don't think when they play and they dont know how to play smash worth a ****.

 

[vesperview]

Nah hugs said it in the interview, noobs will always suck because they don't think when they play and they dont know how to play smash worth a ****.

Not everyone plays Smash to be a tourney expert, that's so general and stupid.

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

Not everyone plays Smash to be a tourney expert, that's so general and stupid.

Doesn't matter. If you look at how well a non competitive player plays compared to a pro, and im not talking how fast you can shffl or how many wavedashes you can do or how many shdls you can do in reverse while popping finger steroids.

Im talking about playing SMART, like mew2king. it comes with time and experience, so a newbie in smash will always be a newbie until he practices enough and learns the game better and how to be more strategic.

This applies to like... every game in the universe where winning and losing is determined by the actions of two opposing players.

Maybe not everyone plays to be the best, but I sure do see a lot of people pre-crying about brawl and arrogantly stating that due to a lack of techniques from the previous games, they will now rise above the ranks as the best players.

It just plain isnt true, and from the sound of it, pikachus buffs in brawl outweigh the need for his rather average wavedash from melee.

 

[RokkuManZer0]

Whatever Dylan said is a lie... but I agree with him. D:

 

[Kokaloo]

Nothing.
I never had the need to wavedash with Pika.​

 

[Phlemingo]

It effects him little if at all.

 

[KritikalError]

Woah... there ISN'T gonna be wavedashing and shffl's in Brawl?

 

[Gimpyfish62]

where have you been?

go to my thread in the general brawl discussion and read up mate lol

 

[KritikalError]

where have you been?

go to my thread in the general brawl discussion and read up mate lol

Ogawdddd. I guess I've been asleep. =\

Thanks for the information!

 

[Chiroz]

Doesn't matter. If you look at how well a non competitive player plays compared to a pro, and im not talking how fast you can shffl or how many wavedashes you can do or how many shdls you can do in reverse while popping finger steroids.

Im talking about playing SMART, like mew2king. it comes with time and experience, so a newbie in smash will always be a newbie until he practices enough and learns the game better and how to be more strategic.

This applies to like... every game in the universe where winning and losing is determined by the actions of two opposing players.

Maybe not everyone plays to be the best, but I sure do see a lot of people pre-crying about brawl and arrogantly stating that due to a lack of techniques from the previous games, they will now rise above the ranks as the best players.

It just plain isnt true, and from the sound of it, pikachus buffs in brawl outweigh the need for his rather average wavedash from melee.

I agree with you, but I also have to agree with the other post, online play will bring more good players, why?

As you yourself said, noone will be good until they practice and play smart, as it is also true, there are lost of people who play just to see other people play basically (those who dont want to get better) and others who are really stubborn and will always suck, but there are those who once they get wtfpwned in Brawl online they will start training harder, go online and get pwned again theyll start to make strategies, learn to play smart and train some more. And this is going to be the majority of people (IMO), maybe they won't reach the level some pro players have, but at least IMHO they will be decent enough to play and have fun against and to actually pose some kind of challenge.

 

[hungrybum]

Pikachu for high tier!!! i so hopes it happens.......

 

[KingBulbinX]

Nothing.
I never had the need to wavedash with Pika.​

Me either, I dont even know how to wavedash.

 

[Teebs]

Pikachu for high tier!!! i so hopes it happens.......

That would be awesome. From videos that I have seen, he may come close. I know he won't be low tier again. (at least he better not be)

 

[♡ⓛⓞⓥⓔ♡]

...I want melee 2...atleast at this point

 

[EpicE]

I never really saw wave dashing as a huge part of Pikas game.

 

[MeLOVESdaPikachu]

The techs are gone?

... AT LAST!

This pleases me? Top tiers just got nerf'd. Low tiers just got buff'd. Way to level the playing field, development people! *thumbs up*

I never cared one iota about wavedashing in the first place. It seems incredibly useless to me.

 

[MeLOVESdaPikachu]

Volt Tackle Videos
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The Official Pikachu Video Guide
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=204344​

Welcome to Volt Tackle Videos, the archive + critique thread for all videos related to Brawl Pikachu!

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Video Guides & Demonstrations

The Official Pikachu Video Guide ( by 5ive ):
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=204344

0-Death Combo Demo ( by ESAM ):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP0JwYgGuTA

Jab Lock Demo ( by Stealth Raptor ):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8R-LIyGnzxs

Uair > Footstool > QAL Death Combo Demo ( by K Prime ):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16YRH0gueDE&fmt=18

Buffered Dthrow CG Guide ( by ESAM ):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v8Myoltijo

How to Pikaslide ( by K Prime ):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qnr7P5Ms9A0

Quick Attack Scar Demo ( by Bowz ):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_Tx8qyJaBw#t=0m22s

0-Death Wario CG Demo ( by Stealth Raptor ):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJPjX7hY-jU

Dthrow Ledge CG Demo ( by K Prime ):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16xJrnVOrm0

Thunair KO ( by Stealth Raptor ):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cY3TzCgRmY#t=2m35s

Cross Thunder ( by Legendary Pikachu ):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCZJeaCdoFM&fmt=18

Doubles Technique - Lightning Lockdown ( by Legendary Pikachu ):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goyou4A6k2s&fmt=18

Doubles Technique - Thunder Matrix ( by Legendary Pikachu ):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3xzQvawR7E&fmt=18

Combo Videos

Rat Race ( by BOXINGKING ):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHUoeUSSlVs

Jab My Heart Out ( by Vv2 ):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzkGWj580SY

Singles Matches

Anther
vs. Judge - R1 R2 R3 R4 R5 Old
vs. M2K - R1 R2 R3 R4 R5 Old

Arikie
vs. Siege - R1
vs. Siege - R1 R2
vs. Siege - R1
vs. Ignis - R1 R2 R3 R4 R5 R6 R7 R8
vs. Ignis - R1 R2 R3
vs. Ignis - R1 R2

Doubles Matches