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What do you think the ESRB rating will be?

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Not everyone takes Smash Bros as a competitive fighting game. Some like to play for fun. Besides, those who do play competitively probably won't even notice when fighting in tournaments or online.
Yeah, exactly. I just used to enjoy the little bits of subtle fanservice and am sad they have chosen to continue chipping away at it. I wasn’t sitting there drooling away at it 24/7, or making highly questionable fanart (Googling Samus even with Google safesearch on is pretty disturbing).

It was just a nice little touch that made the games feel less like they were exclusively for children.
 

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Not everyone takes Smash Bros as a competitive fighting game. Some like to play for fun. Besides, those who do play competitively probably won't even notice when fighting in tournaments or online.
they can still do that, bust size and pantys been censored wont stop that.
 

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Yeah, exactly. I just used to enjoy the little bits of subtle fanservice and am sad they have chosen to continue chipping away at it. I wasn’t sitting there drooling away at it 24/7, or making highly questionable fanart (Googling Samus even with Google safesearch on is pretty disturbing).

It was just a nice little touch that made the games feel less like they were exclusively for children.
big boobs and the ability to see up a character dress is not fanservice it's tacky and immature. You don't need that kind of materiel to feel like an adult game.
 

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E if they go all-in on the "nerfs" they gave Samus and Snake.

E10+ is most likely though.

If it gets a T or M rating, though, then this game is going to pull an Infinity War on us.

I say that as both an amazing and terrible thing.

Amazing because half the roster is going to die and that's going to be hilarious.

Terrible because whoever does is responsible for wiping out half the roster is going to have a bunch of mouthbreathers on the internet unironically defending the character's terrible ideas.
 
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It’s the little things. Besides, if the game is rated T reguardless of why, then chances are parents won’t buy young kids the game. Besides, these features in previous games required players to go out of their way to actually see them. It’s a nice sense of enjoyment for some people. They did made them more accessible in Smash 4 by making them skins, but they also made them less revealing which is also okay.

I don’t see why lack of censoring in these areas would affect play at all. Do you really think that Peach’s panties or Zero Suit Samus’s boobs is really what makes them high tiers in their respective games? Are those things what people pay attention to in a fight whether it be casual or competitive? Is it going to raise the ESBR rating of the already rated T game?
No, no, and depends on whether or not they accidentally overdo it.
 
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lets leave smash to fighting (killing if your ridley), there is an entire internet for your more adult needs :p
 

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Wait, what? What did Brawl have that was sexual? I thought the T rating came from Snake's weapons and/or the scene with Master Hand's corpse.
It honestly had very little. Zero Suit Samus and Snake had their canonical curves, and Peach didn’t have an inexplicable black void under her skirt. That’s it. That’s all I wanted though. Games and fanart with more deliberate fanservice tends to give me the creeps.
 

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Which makes the redesigns feel all the more unnecessary in my opinion.
Sakurai probably went through with the "nerfs" because he felt like it. If they were because of complaints, Bayonetta would have to be completely overhauled-- if not cut altogether --and Palutena wouldn't have kept her... "spinning" taunt.

I haven't checked on if Samus or Shulk's Swimsuit Outfits from Smash 4 made it into Ultimate, yet.
 
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Oh, yeah. I despise the change, but I’m not gonna go around blaming some feminist/sjw conspiracy boogeyman. I doubt there’s any kind of agenda behind it.

Funny thing, I’m actually somewhat of a feminist myself. I would have grudgingly accepted the design if it reflected current canon. So I looked up her appearance in the Metroid 2 remake to see if it was the case, and frankly, it’s made me even angrier!

https://imgtc.com/i/YKcCggK.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/W3P0Kxe.png
 

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Oh, yeah. I despise the change, but I’m not gonna go around blaming some feminist/sjw conspiracy boogeyman. I doubt there’s any kind of agenda behind it.
Well that's good. If you're telling the truth, then you're smarter than 99% of the internet, and 60%-ish percent of people who play video games.

Funny thing, I’m actually somewhat of a feminist myself. I would have grudgingly accepted the design if it reflected current canon. So I looked up her appearance in the Metroid 2 remake to see if it was the case, and frankly, it’s made me even angrier!

https://imgtc.com/i/YKcCggK.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/W3P0Kxe.png
Oh please, There's no way Metroid 2 Remake's ZSS is that hot--

*clicks links*

Oh.

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It appears I stand thoroughly corrected. You sure this isn't just lewd fanart? :p

Also, I'm a horrible person for pointing this out, but...

Funny thing, I’m actually somewhat of a feminist myself.
 
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Well that's good. If you're telling the truth, then you're smarter than 99% of the internet, and 60%-ish percent of people who play video games.



Oh please, There's no way Metroid 2 Remake's ZSS is that hot--

*clicks links*

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Oof. It appears I stand thoroughly corrected. You sure this isn't just lewd fanart?

Also, I'm a horrible person for point this out, but...



Yep. I swear to god, one is a genuine completion screen from the game, and the other is legitimate concept art bundled with some special edition or something.

This Samus is absolute perfection. She looks like she could crush my skull in the palm of her hand (Or even better, between her thighs), yet still very much has curves in all the right places, cliched as that phrase is.

That video is worryingly apt. I’m usually on board with the sjw thing, making video game women look more realistic etc. So I have a bit of guilt mixed in with my rage, and I can’t help but remember Harvey Dent, also a comic book movie character.

“You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.”
 

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That video is worryingly apt. I’m usually on board with the sjw thing, making video game women look more realistic etc. So I have a bit of guilt mixed in with my rage, and I can’t help but remember Harvey Dent, also a comic book movie character.

“You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.”
tfw you post a meme and it makes someone go through an identity crisis.
 

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lol it's okay. I was going through similar feelings back during the a similar controversy that was going on when Smash 4 was coming out, back in... oh no--



tfw a you're in the middle of making a spicy reference but it simultaneously makes you feel old and gives you a PTSD flashback at the same time
I’m not sure I’m following your train of thought here lol. Thank you for listening to me though. I’m still deeply troubled by it all and unsure of where I go from here, but talking it over with people is helping a bit.
 
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Looks like it's rated E10+ once again.

 

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Looks like it's rated E10+ once again.

Someone want to pick up that phone? Because I CALLED IT!

Was nice to feel smug for 10 seconds. Now back to seething with confused, impotent anger at ZSS and to a lesser extent Samus’ designs.
 

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Someone want to pick up that phone? Because I CALLED IT!

Was nice to feel smug for 10 seconds. Now back to seething with confused, impotent anger at ZSS and to a lesser extent Samus’ designs.
I like their designs
 

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the black void needs to stay and why does anyone care how big zss bust is? This is supposed to be a fighting game and putting ridiculous sized boobs on women characters is ridiculous.
Ridiculous sized? You act like they were Mai Shiranui proportioned. They were just a bit bigger than they are now, sheesh. I don't know who is worse the people whining about the change or the people whining about big boobs!

As for panty shots? I don't really mind seeing some cheeky humor in a game where Mario can beat Princess Peach over the head with a baseball bat. Which one sounds worse to you?
 
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Ridiculous sized? You act like they were Mai Shiranui proportioned. They were just a bit bigger than they are now, sheesh. I don't know who is worse the people whining about the change or the people whining about big boobs!

As for panty shots? I don't really mind seeing some cheeky humor in a game where Mario can beat Princess Peach over the head with a baseball bat. Which one sounds worse to you?
I think some of these people would blow a fuse if they saw other fighting games. Some of that stuff makes even me feel uncomfortable.
 

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Samus should look more human? Bro do you even Metroid?
I’m talking about her compared to Smash 4 (she looked like an anime character in a way, even though she looked better there than in Other M)
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The jetboots/heels are there...so yeah
 

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I’m talking about her compared to Smash 4 (she looked like an anime character in a way, even though she looked better there than in Other M)
She’s stacked in literally every picture other than maybe the first one. Heck even the official ultimate profile picture is less flat than the ingame model.
Your art gallery there only proves my point.
 
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She’s stacked in literally every picture other than maybe the first one. Heck even the official ultimate profile picture is less flat than the ingame model.
She doesn’t look stacked in Ultimate (in game and pfp), got muscles in the right places, more lean and fit looking (makes sense due to all the things she has done in the past 30+ years), the right amount of everything...other than whether or not she’ll stay top tier

Then you got her suit, which always looks good no matter the Smash game
 

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She doesn’t look stacked in Ultimate (in game and pfp), got muscles in the right places, more lean and fit looking (makes sense due to all the things she has done in the past 30+ years), the right amount of everything...other than whether or not she’ll stay top tier

Then you got her suit, which always looks good no matter the Smash game
The muscles are fine, good even but Samus does not have small boobs. She almost never has done. Your artwork shows that ultimate is a grevious misrepresentation of her character.
 
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The muscles are fine, good even but Samus does not have small boobs. She almost never has done. Your artwork shows that ultimate is a grevious misrepresentation of her character.
Honestly they don’t look small (compared to Smash 4 sure, but they look to be about the same size as Zero Mission and maybe Samus Returns)
 

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Honestly they don’t look small (compared to Smash 4 sure, but they look to be about the same size as Zero Mission and maybe Samus Returns)
Look, obviously you’re welcome to your opinion. But don’t pretend it actually has any significant basis in Metroid canon, design or logic. And CERTAINLY don’t spout outright falsehoods to do so. As big as Zero Mission and Samus Returns? I WISH. Are you serious?
 
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Look, obviously you’re welcome to your opinion. But don’t pretend it actually has any significant basis in Metroid canon, design or logic. And CERTAINLY don’t spout outright falsehoods to do so. As big as Zero Mission and Samus Returns? I WISH. Are you serious?
It wouldn’t have anything related to Metroid canon considering its Smash (and only Kid Icarus and maybe Bayonetta have Smash as canon), so I wouldn’t have to pretend otherwise, but I do believe/feel like they’re of equal size to ZM and SR (or atleast near it)...there doesn’t have to be bloodshed over her bust size (CAPS don’t do much)
 

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It wouldn’t have anything related to Metroid canon considering its Smash (and only Kid Icarus and maybe Bayonetta have Smash as canon), so I wouldn’t have to pretend otherwise, but I do believe/feel like they’re of equal size to ZM and SR (or atleast near it)...there doesn’t have to be bloodshed over her bust size (CAPS don’t do much)
Getting snippy because I capped a word doesn’t change the fact that you are just making stuff up now.
It’s misrepresentation. It degrades her uniqueness in the roster. It’s like Mario without a mustache, or Fox McCloud without a tail.
 

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Getting snippy because I capped a word doesn’t change the fact that you are just making stuff up now.
It’s misrepresentation. It degrades her uniqueness in the roster. It’s like Mario without a mustache, or Fox McCloud without a tail.
Um...her boobs aren’t that big of a deal compared to Mario’s mustache, and I ain’t getting snippy over the caps (only pointing out how that doesn’t do much). Misrepresentation would be something like her not being a woman or the jet boots/heels that made people angry for a long time, not boobs. Her uniqueness comes from the way she fights and her origin story
 

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Who cares. Big or small. They seem to be different depending on who is designing her. The only time I would care is if they made them huge DOA sized boobs (not that I mind that size in the DOA series but it doesn't suit Samus) or if they made her completely flat chested. But otherwise who cares how big or small they are?

Big boobs aren't scary, and women can have them. Small boobs aren't scary, and women can have them. This whole thing is silly.
 
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After the Castlevania reveal, I'm going to go and say it will be T.

Everything Castlevania brought to Smash is way more dark and edgy than nearly anything any prior Smash has had up to this point. And though they recolored it, Carmilla is technically crying blood form her one exposed eye. Also not to mention Death's scythe, various religious references with the cross all over Simon's abilities, and the fact that Medusa is kinda scary-lookin':

And if we include Luigi's death, I wouldn't call that completely child-friendly.

Edit: Just saw the post with the E10+ rating. I'm legitimately surprised.
 
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