What do you think of the game?

[Dr.SMASHING]

Hello Smashboards! Dr.SMASHING here! I'm new to the community and I'm curious about your opinion of Smash 4. You can tell me anything that you don't like or absolutely adore or something about th metagame.

 

[AzureAsteroid2]

DK needs to be faster m8. That's what I'm saying. sure he has the range but in this metagame. he's not as good...

and while we're at it.
Sonic should be faster. like in running speed. He's fast already but falcon is somewhat close to his speed.... it just doesn't seem all that fair. plus his aerials and grabs should do more damage. he is a hit and run guy but I wouldn't mind a main of mine being op

and stuff about the metagame?
stages with platforms are where it's at. It adds a whole lot more than the standard FD. (don't get me wrong. FD is still the most equal stage in the game)
but I prefer stages like battlefield and Smashville..

IDK what I'm going on about...

So wait... what's your favorite character in smash? that's what I want to know...

oh and did you know that you need 30 posts to make a social group... wierd I know but strangely enough a lot of my "messages" (posts maybe?) don't count sadly...

 

[kinbobbobkin]

I think it's fine and swell. It's one of my favorite in the Smash series besides Smash 64. The 8 player Smash is very fun to play time to time and training your own Smash figures is fun! I wish that 3DS version had more content and some of the characters had more what they gave and that Nintendo can fix the internet issues when playing online(both on For Fun and For Glory).


One more thing, about the metagame: I wish that everyone can agree on it and help making it grow so the game itself doesn't die on us early.

 

[AzureAsteroid2]

I think it's fine and swell. It's one of my favorite in the Smash series besides Smash 64. The 8 player Smash is very fun to play time to time and training your own Smash figures is fun! I wish that 3DS version had more content and some of the characters had more what they gave and that Nintendo can fix the internet issues when playing online(both on For Fun and For Glory).

besides smash 64? I agree. but I'm a little biased on that
and yeah the internet issues are a bother but if you just play with friends it tends to be better.

You know though the whole shield and rolling thing (being safer options than in the other games...)
is a little annoying and makes matches drag out if someone is desperate to run the clock. now that being said not everyone will do this but it's still annoying since some characters have a hard time pressuring shields or punishing on que. idk just my thoughts.

 

[Tino]

To me, it is the best Smash Bros. game I've ever played since the first game on the N64. Besides the issues with online play and Smash Tour, Sm4sh, especifically the Wii U version, is just phenomenal in every way...and I've never used that word to describe the Smash Bros. series.

 

[kinbobbobkin]

besides smash 64? I agree. but I'm a little biased on that
and yeah the internet issues are a bother but if you just play with friends it tends to be better.

Hehe, Smash 64 will be always in my heart as a personal favorite of mine.

Funny thing about that is that even with friends the match can constantly lag, but it doesn't just disconnect like that. On the Wii U version that is(the 3DS version has infuriating lag when someone joins and all). Maybe Nintendo should do that thing in which the network can connect to someone with the same ping as you, it makes thing very not stressful.

 

[AzureAsteroid2]

Hehe, Smash 64 will be always in my heart as a personal favorite of mine.

Funny thing about that is that even with friends the match can constantly lag, but it doesn't just disconnect like that. On the Wii U version that is(the 3DS version has infuriating lag when someone joins and all). Maybe Nintendo should do that thing in which the network can connect to someone with the same ping as you, it makes thing very not stressful.

mmm true. really thought if Nintendo made some servers or if they let other people set up servers that would help out a lot.
but of course I'm not seeing it.
well actually they may already have servers set up. it just doesn't seem like they're dedicated ones.

 

[Kurri ★]

I like it. It's cool.

I don't like some of the campy match ups, and I'd like it if a few things were tweaked to make it faster, but it's a great game.

 

[AzureAsteroid2]

I like it. It's cool.

I don't like some of the campy match ups, and I'd like it if a few things were tweaked to make it faster, but it's a great game.

*inserts wavedashing*
*no more frame buffer so only GC controllers are viable*
*sonic is made to go faster*

 

[kinbobbobkin]

mmm true. really thought if Nintendo made some servers or if they let other people set up servers that would help out a lot.
but of course I'm not seeing it.
well actually they may already have servers set up. it just doesn't seem like they're dedicated ones.

That sucks. :/

 

[AzureAsteroid2]

That sucks. :/

yeah...
at least it's not brawl though. As long as we don't return to that I think I can live with any new smash game.
and if they add someone from Final Fantasy as a character. that would be nice.

 

[Kurri ★]

*inserts wavedashing*
*no more frame buffer so only GC controllers are viable*
*sonic is made to go faster*

No, none of that...
I like wavedashing, the game doesn't need it. Maybe proper dashdancing, but that's about it. And what's wrong with the buffer?

 

[AzureAsteroid2]

No, none of that...
I like wavedashing, the game doesn't need it. Maybe proper dashdancing, but that's about it. And what's wrong with the buffer?

Nothings wrong with the buffer. just referring to an obscure joke with that one.
and yeah lel wavedashing wouldn't fit too well into the game seeing as you would either have to remove the current airdodge or add another feature to include it.
Dashdancing that works! now that sounds genius.

 

[kinbobbobkin]

yeah...
at least it's not brawl though. As long as we don't return to that I think I can live with any new smash game.
and if they add someone from Final Fantasy as a character. that would be nice.

I dunno, I really liked Brawl minus the tripping and sucky internet matches, It was fun in a way. Final Fantasy Characters would be nice, which one do you think should be in Smash?

 

[AzureAsteroid2]

I dunno, I really liked Brawl minus the tripping and sucky internet matches, It was fun in a way. Final Fantasy Characters would be nice, which one do you think should be in Smash?

yeah I was mostly referring to the internet matches...
and if they were to add a final fantasy character I would be fine with a lot of them but Cloud strikes out in my mind because of his buster sword...

 

[Roukiske]

I think it's fine and swell. It's one of my favorite in the Smash series besides Smash 64. The 8 player Smash is very fun to play time to time and training your own Smash figures is fun! I wish that 3DS version had more content and some of the characters had more what they gave and that Nintendo can fix the internet issues when playing online(both on For Fun and For Glory).


One more thing, about the metagame: I wish that everyone can agree on it and help making it grow so the game itself doesn't die on us early.

I have personally have had more solid connections (like can barely notice the lag) matches than bad. There is no way to eliminate all lag in online play and people need to accept this. Even games like Street Fighter PC have a bit of lag and I'm pretty okay with it since it's not that bad and it's good enough to still teach you how to play well. Oh unless you're talking about 4 player games, I haven't really tried that...

Unless a game uses GGPO, which isn't perfect, lag will be felt. Don't forget though, just because you lag a little bit, does not excuse you from playing bad (ex: Bad punishes).

 

[AzureAsteroid2]

I have personally have had more solid connections (like can barely notice the lag) matches than bad. There is no way to eliminate all lag in online play and people need to accept this. Even games like Street Fighter PC have a bit of lag and I'm pretty okay with it since it's not that bad and it's good enough to still teach you how to play well. Oh unless you're talking about 4 player games, I haven't really tried that...

Unless a game uses GGPO, which isn't perfect, lag will be felt. Don't forget though, just because you lag a little bit, does not excuse you from playing bad (ex: Bad punishes).

that's true yeah. but I think the main point that should be mentioned is that this game was meant for playing in the living room with friends or at parties.
If it wasn't there would be dedicated servers. Amiibo online functionality and more. but it wasn't put in.
if you get hit with a DDD f-smash in a tiny bit of lag that's your fault...
Or a warlock punch. I think those are pretty safe to say that it's your fault lol.
and yeah there's no way there could be something without lag... sadly.

 

[Kurri ★]

that's true yeah. but I think the main point that should be mentioned is that this game was meant for playing in the living room with friends or at parties.
If it wasn't there would be dedicated servers. Amiibo online functionality and more. but it wasn't put in.
if you get hit with a DDD f-smash in a tiny bit of lag that's your fault...
Or a warlock punch. I think those are pretty safe to say that it's your fault lol.
and yeah there's no way there could be something without lag... sadly.

Dedicated servers isn't necessarily a sign of how a game was meant to be played. A lot of FPSes still use peer to peer despite all of their features being meant for online. I do agree that the game's online mode is lacking. It'd be nice to have ranked and unranked matches, and etc. but that require Sakurai to pay attention to the competitive community.

 

[AzureAsteroid2]

Dedicated servers isn't necessarily a sign of how a game was meant to be played. A lot of FPSes still use peer to peer despite all of their features being meant for online. I do agree that the game's online mode is lacking. It'd be nice to have ranked and unranked matches, and etc. but that require Sakurai to pay attention to the competitive community.

Sakurai paying attention to the competitive community
XD

 

[Grizzmeister]

I find Sm4sh to be too defensive. So much so that it got tedious playing it on-line so I started playing Mario Kart 8 again.

 

[AzureAsteroid2]

I find Sm4sh to be too defensive. So much so that it got tedious playing it on-line so I started playing Mario Kart 8 again.

*shields*
*rolls*
*shields*

 

[PCHU]

The game would be wonderful if Nintendo showed genuine care toward it.
Don't get me wrong, they do care on some level, as shown by the patches, but also as shown by the patches, I'm not sure how much they actually care.

Scratch that, they don't care -- there's no other reason why Smashville isn't on 3DS.
Please tell me you detect the sarcasm in the last statement

 

[MasterOfKnees]

It's okay, but I do find myself having quite a lot of issues with it. Gameplay-wise it's better than Brawl, and it's also the most balanced installment yet (doesn't say a whole lot though), but those two things are the only things it really has going for it imo. The online still isn't good enough, its single player modes are really bad, its stages are hit and miss, and I don't really care for most of the new character inclusions as most of them are too gimmicky. The removal of Adventure Mode and Break the Targets in favor of Smash Tour/Smash Run and Target Blast is an absolutely baffling choice as both of those had more of a reason to be replayed than the new modes.

Of course the gameplay is the most important part, so I still wouldn't rate it below Brawl per say, but it hasn't given me nearly as much entertainment as previous installments did, the game has a ton of characters but otherwise it's really thin as far as content goes, there's no reason for me to do anything but 1v1s and Trophy Rush, so I find myself rarely picking it up anymore.

 

[Bedoop]

It's good.

 

[SmashShadow]

It's okay, but I do find myself having quite a lot of issues with it. Gameplay-wise it's better than Brawl, and it's also the most balanced installment yet (doesn't say a whole lot though), but those two things are the only things it really has going for it imo. The online still isn't good enough, its single player modes are really bad, its stages are hit and miss, and I don't really care for most of the new character inclusions as most of them are too gimmicky. The removal of Adventure Mode and Break the Targets in favor of Smash Tour/Smash Run and Target Blast is an absolutely baffling choice as both of those had more of a reason to be replayed than the new modes.

Of course the gameplay is the most important part, so I still wouldn't rate it below Brawl per say, but it hasn't given me nearly as much entertainment as previous installments did, the game has a ton of characters but otherwise it's really thin as far as content goes, there's no reason for me to do anything but 1v1s and Trophy Rush.

This sums it up pretty well for me as well.

 

[Heroine of Winds]

It's okay, but I do find myself having quite a lot of issues with it. Gameplay-wise it's better than Brawl, and it's also the most balanced installment yet (doesn't say a whole lot though), but those two things are the only things it really has going for it imo. The online still isn't good enough, its single player modes are really bad, its stages are hit and miss, and I don't really care for most of the new character inclusions as most of them are too gimmicky. The removal of Adventure Mode and Break the Targets in favor of Smash Tour/Smash Run and Target Blast is an absolutely baffling choice as both of those had more of a reason to be replayed than the new modes.

Of course the gameplay is the most important part, so I still wouldn't rate it below Brawl per say, but it hasn't given me nearly as much entertainment as previous installments did, the game has a ton of characters but otherwise it's really thin as far as content goes, there's no reason for me to do anything but 1v1s and Trophy Rush, so I find myself rarely picking it up anymore.

This pretty much sums up my thoughts on the game. Smash 4 is better than Brawl, but it lacks everything that the previous installments have in favor of multiplayer modes. How can I enjoy the game by myself if half of the modes are multiplayer only? It's even worse that outside of online matches, I can't find anybody else to play the game with me besides my brother. Unlike Mario Kart 8, I can't play Smash 4 all that much since the single player experience is very weak and I don't see myself playing it a lot later on.

 

[Mysteltainn]

It's okay, but I do find myself having quite a lot of issues with it. Gameplay-wise it's better than Brawl, and it's also the most balanced installment yet (doesn't say a whole lot though), but those two things are the only things it really has going for it imo. The online still isn't good enough, its single player modes are really bad, its stages are hit and miss, and I don't really care for most of the new character inclusions as most of them are too gimmicky. The removal of Adventure Mode and Break the Targets in favor of Smash Tour/Smash Run and Target Blast is an absolutely baffling choice as both of those had more of a reason to be replayed than the new modes.

Of course the gameplay is the most important part, so I still wouldn't rate it below Brawl per say, but it hasn't given me nearly as much entertainment as previous installments did, the game has a ton of characters but otherwise it's really thin as far as content goes, there's no reason for me to do anything but 1v1s and Trophy Rush, so I find myself rarely picking it up anymore.

Took the words out of my mouth.

Overall, I'd say it's better than Brawl from a game-play standpoint, but is now lacking in other areas that it really shouldn't be. I found playing the majority of the single player modes a huge chore, which is something I have not felt in previous Smash Bros. games I've completed. In fact, I still have not completed some of the challenges simply because they (to me) feel dreadful and tedious to even attempt, and if something in a game is going to make me feel that way, then to me, it isn't worth it until a later date. I think Classic Mode has veered way too far off the path, and the random 8-Player Smash fights that land on the most gimmicky of stages gets me every time. the game lacking Break the Targets is also disappointing to me, especially since Smash Tour feels a wee bit rushed to me.

Overall, I'd say that it's a better game than Brawl in the long run, and I will continue to enjoy it for the online that it does provide and charm, but in terms of raw content, Smash 4 is lacking in my opinion. As much as Nintendo tried to expand in the online department, I felt pretty disappointed overall, mostly because other games such as Mario Kart 8 have superb online, and when I saw that the new instalment of Smash Bros' online is still suffering from many of the same issues Brawl had (notable lag, quite a few errors, etc), it killed me a little.

 

[Dark Phazon]

Th...Classic sucks....and smash tour should have never been invented...RealTalk.

Didnt play much break thr targets in melee but it was cool and fun.

Way better game than brawl though.
Just snake/wolf and a few stages i miss from brawl...ugh boss battles was kinda cool but yh...
Why doesnt smash4 have boss battles?

 

[MVboy39]

I wouldn't mind an "anything goes" mode online. Let's be honest: taunt matches were kind of amusing.

 

[Purin a.k.a. José]

I think it's the best game I've ever played. Basically nothing I played before tops it; beautiful graphics, epic songs, nice modes (except for Smash Tour. Ugh), the good ol' Nintendo encyclopedia, a great gameplay and the Nintendo touch.

 

[MVboy39]

I think it's the best game I've ever played. Basically nothing I played before tops it; beautiful graphics, epic songs, nice modes (except for Smash Tour. Ugh), the good ol' Nintendo encyclopedia, a great gameplay and the Nintendo touch.

I agree. Smash Tour looks like it was designed for multiple human players, but I'm the only person in my entire family who actually finds video games interesting, and I can't stand how the CPUs always seem to use their debuffs on me, me, and only me.

EDIT: I do quite like the idea of each character being one stock, though.

 

[EnigmaticKnight]

I love Smash Run and Classic Mode on the 3DS version, but I didn't really like Smash Tour and Classic Mode on the Wii U version that much.

 

[Heroine of Winds]

I love Smash Run and Classic Mode on the 3DS version, but I didn't really like Smash Tour and Classic Mode on the Wii U version that much.

Classic Mode on the Wii U version really did suck. First time I played around with the mode, I wasn't even all that impressed with it. Don't even get me started on the extreme lack of Break the Targets. That was always fun to me & they got rid of it.

 

[Babycowland]

Took the words out of my mouth.

Overall, I'd say it's better than Brawl from a game-play standpoint, but is now lacking in other areas that it really shouldn't be. I found playing the majority of the single player modes a huge chore, which is something I have not felt in previous Smash Bros. games I've completed. In fact, I still have not completed some of the challenges simply because they (to me) feel dreadful and tedious to even attempt, and if something in a game is going to make me feel that way, then to me, it isn't worth it until a later date. I think Classic Mode has veered way too far off the path, and the random 8-Player Smash fights that land on the most gimmicky of stages gets me every time. the game lacking Break the Targets is also disappointing to me, especially since Smash Tour feels a wee bit rushed to me.

I think I sort of get why Sakurai and co. decided to have some really difficult challenges in Smash Wii U. There are a bunch of people who like that stuff (which is totally fine, more power to you if you do) and having tougher ones can in theory help replay value. That said, I personally found some, like clearing classic at 9.0 without losing a stock or doing something super tough with a character I don't use much, hard enough that I'd sooner just not even bother with them rather than try to complete them. I'd be interested to see how challenges are handled in a future Smash given the dramatically different approaches that Smash 3DS and Smash Wii U took to them.

I do enjoy multiplayer on Smash Wii U though; I don't know how I'd rank it compared to the other games, but it's probably around 1 or 2 for me (I think every game has something going for it, though I'm a Brawl fan, so you should probably take my opinion with a grain of salt). For the most part I like the newcomers and the more balanced roster is a plus in my book. The game's also super polished. I just wish I weren't so garbage at it, haha.

 

[TimeChain]

It does has its flaws like I think the defensive options are a bit too strong and some...little things (like the menus...), but in the end of the day, it's Smash Bros. OF COURSE I'm gonna love this thing. I love all the games in the series and Smash 4 is no exception!

 

[Deleted member]

It's definitely my favourite Smash game since it came out.
Brawl was good for it's time, but once I noticed it was rather slow-paced and floaty it got rather boring until I installed Project M.
Melee would probably be my favourite, but the HD graphics and music of Smash 4 is just way too good to ignore, Smash 4 tops every Smash game to date in my opinion.

 

[NeonBurrito]

It's fun.

Some match-ups are campy and make the game slow and boring, Smash Tour is waste of development time, For Glory could be improved, and the menus are the worst in the series, but it is fun.

 

[Kenith]

I spend most of my time complaining about this game, but yet I can't put it down.

There are so many ways to fix some of my complaints though that'll probably not happen...more neutral or normal stages, for example. I like the occasional crazy stage but I've grown so ill of most of the stages in the Wii U version...most of the 3DS stages are pretty fun though. And ironically better suited for the Wii U version.

Also, the single player modes, especially on Wii U, are really lacking.

I also am not a fan of some of the game mechanic's changes and characters are too gimmicky, but overall there's little else I'd rather play regularly than Smash 4.

 

[EnigmaticKnight]

Classic Mode on the Wii U version really did suck. First time I played around with the mode, I wasn't even all that impressed with it. Don't even get me started on the extreme lack of Break the Targets. That was always fun to me & they got rid of it.

Yeah, I didn't like how Classic Mode on the Wii U version became too chaotic. I agree that Break the Targets was fun, but if Sakurai ever decide to bring it back for future Smash game, then I hope it's similar to the one from Melee.

 

[Mike_Tha_Hero]

I enjoy it but competitively I feel very limited. I've always said this but Smash just has way too many random factors with it's characters for me to take it seriously. It's way too balanced in that way, to the point where someone of moderate skill has a very decent chance of beating someone who is above average.

However, offline with a group of skilled player is still as good as it gets. I'll always appreciate that, but online and competitive play don't mix for me.