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What characters could have made it in had this been a normal Smash game?

Door Key Pig

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Assuming they never went with "Everyone is Here" for the Smash Switch game and thus had more room for newcomers like the usual new Smash installment, who do you speculate could have thus gotten into the base game roster? Could they have had a different project plan deadline that allowed for Rex and Spring Man? Could they have had more ballot voted characters?
 

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Assuming they never went with "Everyone is Here" for the Smash Switch game and thus had more room for newcomers like the usual new Smash installment, who do you speculate could have thus gotten into the base game roster? Could they have had a different project plan deadline that allowed for Rex and Spring Man? Could they have had more ballot voted characters?
All the veterans probably returned because of the Smash Ballot. I know Sakurai said that Snake return due to high demand so I'm sure same can be said for the rest of the veterans.

But to answer your question, I think for Ultimate to have been a normal Smash the Smash Ballot wouldn't have been used for the character selection or never happen because without the Ballot, we wouldn't have: :ultkrool:, :ultridley:, :ultsimon:, :ultrichter:, and :ultbayonetta:. And we probably wouldn't have :ultsnake:, :ultwolf:, :ultsquirtle:, :ultivysaur:, and :ultpichu:back. The :ulticeclimbers:s would have probably made in Smash Switch regardless since the only reason they were cut out of Smash 4 was because of the 3DS not being able to process handling 8 :ulticeclimbers:s at the same time. :ultdaisy:,:ultchrom:, and :ultdarksamus: probably came from the Ballot as well and scored just enough to have been made into Echo Fighters. :ultken: probably would have made it in without the Ballot if the Echo conspect still exist in this alternate timeline.

So you would probably have to cut those 13 characters out excluding the :ulticeclimbers:s and more since Brawl and Smash 4 removed at least 5 veterans to make room for newcomers.

The newcomers I think that probably would have been in this alternate Smash would be:

:ultinkling:
:ultisabelle:
:ultincineroar:
Rex & Pyra or Elma
Spring Man
Bandana Dee
Captain Toad
Fire Emblem 3 Houses rep
Retro rep

:ultinkling:, :ultisabelle:, and :ultincineroar: would have still been in regardless and I honestly don't know who else. Maybe Paper Mario... but I don't know for sure.

But yeah, that's how I think the roster would have gone down without the influence of the Ballot.
 
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If the "Everyone is here" was neglected, we would definitely have seen a more "desirable" selection of newcomers since cuts would have been so heavy. Skull Kid and Dixie Kong would be in and Rex, as much as I'm glad he isn't in. Pyra is more deserving to me. K. Rool, Ridley, Isabella and Simon's likeliness wouldn't be affected. Ashley would be in.
 

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If the "Everyone is here" was neglected, we would definitely have seen a more "desirable" selection of newcomers since cuts would have been so heavy. Skull Kid and Dixie Kong would be in and Rex, as much as I'm glad he isn't in. Pyra is more deserving to me. K. Rool, Ridley, Isabella and Simon's likeliness wouldn't be affected. Ashley would be in.
Skull Kid didn't make it with the Ballot, so there is no way he would have made it without. Dixie is a maybe?

K. Rool and Ridley are only here because of the Ballot, Simon probably still could have made it, and Isabelle probably got a slot no matter which dimension the game was in.

I'm too sure if Ashley would made it without the Ballot picks and the veterans not getting in her way.
 
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Skull Kid didn't make it with the Ballot, so there is no way he would have made it without. Dixie is a maybe?

K. Rool and Ridley are only here because of the Ballot, Simon probably still could have made it, and Isabelle probably got a slot no matter which dimension the game was in.

I'm too sure if Ashley would made it without the Ballot picks and the veterans not getting in her way.
We're completely ignoring the Ballot. It would be present but also with heavy cuts since the "Everyone is here" would be neglected. Less returning veterans = more newcomers.
 

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We're completely ignoring the Ballot. It would be present but also with heavy cuts since the "Everyone is here" would be neglected. Less returning veterans = more newcomers.
That's what I said, K. Rool and Ridley wouldn't be in without the Ballot thus, isn't in the roster in this alternate timeline without it.

Relevance would have dominated the newcomer choices once more.
 
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The fact that characters like King K. Rool and Ridley might not be in SSBU because of the ballot is unreasonable. Why have certain villains and exclude other villains? Anyway, given that the other option was cutting the roster by a third, I'd expect a lot of Mario characters to be cut. If you make up the most, you should lose the most. Humans and their illogical brains obsessing over honor by association.
 

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I don't like to this about this topic because I know we'd have gotten a much better game than what we got.
 

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That's what I said, K. Rool and Ridley wouldn't be in without the Ballot thus, isn't in the roster in this alternate timeline without it.

Relevance would have dominated the newcomer choices once more.
I probably shouldn't have listed Ridley and K. Rool even if the established support for them wasn't worthy, Skull Kid, Rex and Ashley would definitely be in.
 

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Plant would have made the base roster
Rex would possibly have gotten in if not for bad timing
Springman would possibly have gotten in if not for bad timing
Maybe Dixie Kong. Maybe. He did briefly consider her after all back in Brawl.
Inklings, Chrom, Isabelle and Inciniroar all would get in regardless as would K. Rool and Ridley
Probably a few more third parties too, maybe even Bomberman whilst negotiating Simon and Richter.

As much as I want to believe Captain Toad would have had a realistic shot due to the success and timing of Treasure Tracker on the Wii U and later Switch, as well as the general push to make Toadette a bigger star and the slight push to cement Toads as major playable characters in the Mario franchise thanks to New Super Mario Bros. U and Mario 3D World...

...Toad has been passed over by Sakurai for Dr. Mario; a fellow Mario puzzle game star who also can do everything Mario can do, in Melee,
Rosalina, the secret character in 3D World opposed to the missing main character or the breakout spinoff star of the game, in for Wii U/3DS
and now Plant; a fellow 'generic' Mario species in Ultimate.
Gonna be honest, I don't think Sakurai sees him as important as either Miyamoto or Nintendo themselves do.

As for Bandana Dee...well...at least Toad tends to get referenced in trophies and the like...Dee seems even less likely than Toad to me.
 

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I'm honestly not sure. We can make a few good guesses I suppose, but there's really no telling what direction it could have gone in.

I could say maybe Spring Man or Rex could have had a better chance, but at the same time, ARMS didn't make as much of a splash as Splatoon did. It's a new, relevant IP with moderate success, but I could still see Sakurai passing on it just as easily. Same goes for Rex. Sakurai loved XC2, but he didn't make the cut in our current scenario. Even if there was no "Everyone is Here" plan, it's still possible he could've missed the project deadline anyway.

You could say that Ridley and K. Rool would have gotten in due to their high demand anyway, but again, I think Sakurai finally took the time to really carefully work them in because of the ballot's feedback. Perhaps they'd be an eventuality, but I think Sakurai may have passed on Ridley again for much of the same reasoning as before if he didn't concede to finally shrink him down and make it work to please fans.

Again, it'd probably happen eventually, but I think he'd have put if off again otherwise.

As for K. Rool, you've got a few vocal internet communities, but they're still niche. Smashboards as a whole for example is small in comparison to Smash's audience as a whole. The ballot finally allowed a lot of those fans to give their feedback in a direct manner. I do think this helped certain characters like K. Rool a lot.

Sakruai gets requests all the time from all over the place, but the ballot finally put some numbers behind certain characters to show how much demand there truly was for them.

Then you have characters like the Ice Climbers and Inkling who probably would have made it in regardless. The former was only cut from the previous game because of the 3DS and the latter was too big of a success to possibly ignore.

There's Snake, Simon & Richter. Maybe they wouldn't have bothered with Konami at all if they weren't already going back for Snake. Maybe we'd only get Snake since he was a popular veteran. Maybe we'd only get Simon who could in get in on his own merit anyway.

The Echoes may not have made it in even if they're relatively easier to develop.

They might not have able to get Cloud/SE back on board.

Maybe Piranha Plant would have been a base game character, etc., etc.

In some ways, I feel like predicting the alternative is harder than predicting who we're getting now.

To finally address the OP though, the one safe guess I can make is Takamaru as Sakurai has expressed his interest in the character before. I could see him getting the AT to Fighter promotion like Mac got in Smash 4.
 

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When I first read this thread, I thought it meant, for normal Smash game, a game without the "EVERYONE IS HERE!" kind of tagline.
In this case, I think that a couple of :ultbrawler::ultgunner::ultswordfighter: would have been removed, or that Miis would have been reworked entirely in order to create just a single, more iconic Mii.
Then I think that we wouldn't have gotten :ultpichu: and :ultyounglink: back. I'm more confident about :ultsnake: because I think that :ultsimon: in means that Konami is back.
As for :ultpokemontrainer::ultwolf::ulticeclimbers:, they would have probably been back regardless of EVERYONE IS HERE or not.

As for the cuts, right now :ultcloud: and maybe :ultshulk: seem good candidates. I think that they would have joined the roster as DLCs, but I'm not sure.

Speaking of newcomers, other than the ones already in, we have 6 more slots, considering the cuts and the "new" Mii. I'd rather get 3 echoes for one original newcomer, so I'd say that they could have added 8 more fighters.

I think they could have added Rex, Spring Man, Bandana Dee, Captain Toad/Paper Mario/Waluigi, Retro Rep (my bet is Balloon Fighter), Dixie Kong (echo of :ultdiddy:), Octoling (echo of :ultinkling:), and Impa (echo of :ultsheik:).
 

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The fact that characters like King K. Rool and Ridley might not be in SSBU because of the ballot is unreasonable. Why have certain villains and exclude other villains? Anyway, given that the other option was cutting the roster by a third, I'd expect a lot of Mario characters to be cut. If you make up the most, you should lose the most. Humans and their illogical brains obsessing over honor by association.
The Ballot is the reason why Ridley and K. Rool are in the roster. Sakurai said both did extremely well in the Ballot and that was one of the reasons they were chosen. Had it not been for the Ballot, Sakurai and Nintendo would keep ignoring them both.

Sakurai knew way before the Ballot that Ridley was popular, but didn't add him in past games due to his size issue and representing him correctly. I'm sure Ridley was a very difficult character to develop because of that and the Ballot is what finally gave the push to get him in otherwise they wouldn't have bothered.

With K. Rool they didn't even know he was popular until they saw how well his performance was in the Ballot. It blew their minds away and sent reverberations through Nintendo, especially Nintendo of Japan. If you don't know what I'm talking about, read this: https://smashboards.com/threads/news-how-fans-brought-back-k-rool.457451/ if you haven't read it yet, you should because it's a interesting read.
 
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The Ballot is the reason why Ridley and K. Rool are in the roster. Sakurai said both did extremely well in the Ballot and that was one of the reasons they were chosen. Had it not been for the Ballot, Sakurai and Nintendo would keep ignoring them both.
Yes, I understand that, and just because that's the direction they would have gone doesn't mean it's not a stupid direction.

Sakurai knew way before the Ballot that Ridley was popular, but didn't add him in past games due to his size issue and representing him correctly. I'm sure Ridley was a very difficult character to develop because of that and the Ballot is what finally gave the push to get him in otherwise they wouldn't have bothered.
Then Sakurai shouldn't work for Nintendo if he can't think outside the box.

With K. Rool they didn't even know he was popular until they saw how well his performance was in the Ballot. It blew their minds away and sent reverberations through Nintendo, especially Nintendo of Japan. If you don't know what I'm talking about, read this: https://smashboards.com/threads/news-how-fans-brought-back-k-rool.457451/ if you haven't read it yet, you should because it's a interesting read.
A classic example of Nintendo not paying attention to their consumers.
 
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