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I love jigg because is funny her game and is really cute ( i think is the cutiest character in ssb)
I think jigglypuff needs less end lag on all her smash attacks, and a bigger hit box on rest and sing I suppose. Her air game is alright with me.
I see her so interesting but she is no like melee (the brawl nerf hurt her so much)
I want sakurai buff her in next patches.
But what buffs she need?
I miss the back air combos and up smash usable but what do you think ? what buff needs jiggz?
I'll ceep Dat end mynd m8.
English prob isn't his first language. You understand what he means, just use common sense lol.
It may be this user is not quite fluent in English.
The rest hitbox is perfect, it's the biggest it's ever been. I would enjoy a dthrow change, we'd prob get one like charizard so we couldnt dthrow rest at kill percents.
s, what I really want to see is a new "shield stagnation" mechanic on Pound(), for example if Pound hits the opponent while their shielding, it should only do the exact same amount of damage to the shield that it currently does but with a new side effect. The side effect is that the shield can't regenerate for 15 seconds, which means shield is no longer safe on Jigglypuff, which would mean Puff would now have another way around one of her most detrimental weaknesses this game.
That sounds like a great idea for Brawl- Jigglypuff.For
Ouch. If you don't mind me asking, is it the amount of time it lasts or is it the effect itself that you think is broken/Brawl Minus like?
Kinda both, since Jigglypuff could essentially make shields useless against her, much like Game and Watch in Melee.
I haven't really played as Jigglupuff in any other Smash game, so to me, the hitbox seems super small. The reason I say this is because sometimes I am standing next to the opponent, touching them, and Rest does not hit them. Again, I haven't put a whole lot of time into Jiggs, so I'm not sure what exactly the properties of her moves are.
The way I see it is that Pound's a punish move, but as it stands right now, I don't feel like it incurs enough of a penalty for the opposition, and since Jigglypuff's weakness is shield, I think shield should be heavily weakened as a option after successfully landing a move mean't to punish shield. Shields are such a strong option this time around against Puff that if you were to land a pound I'm completely fine with stripping most of the power that option has to offer for the opponent. Basically, since Jigglypuff's aerials are countered by shield, I feel that she should have a option that would make people less likely and less willing to shield.
It would be if you could either nullify their shields for 15 seconds, then do it again after a period of time, making it very difficult to protect yourself from Jigglytuff reliably.
good luck with that...
But I like my back air that KOs from the other side of the stage. Although, useable smash attacks would be nice...
I think it should be faster. It's the fifth weakest in the game yet it starts frame 14.
Actually, it kills at 136%, which is considerably better than killing at 209%, even when they're both compared to their respective types.
Point is, you're not hitting anybody with either of them.
it might be weak, but due to the angle it fires opponents at, it can kill anyone without good horizontal recovery. For example, Mac eating puff's downsmash above 20% is just dead(based on stage position and % of course)
Oh, but they are. 10% with piss poor range and doesn't kill until well past 200%. And if a character as fast as Mac gets hit by such a slow move, he deserves the inevitable doom he's going to face.
The problem is that almost every character in this game can recover, even from the bottom corners of the stage. It has very little use due to it's slow speed, making it fairly easy to block.
'd. Hmm, Nerfinja is starting to look a bit too strong. Better nerf him.
. It's not as guaranteed as as stopping DH, but they're still put in a bad position for the MU.
Like said before, it is just too slow to land for the most part. Even if you do land it, it's so weak, your opponents will hardly go anywhere, even at 100%. A lot of characters have stupidly good recoveries, making them nearly impossible to gimp, which is one reason why Jigglypuff is so bad in this game.Again, yes, I know it's slow. not saying it isn't. But lets look at it this way.
Mac and Duck Hunt, if they get hit by it, are just dead. Mac doesn't have the recovery, and in the position it puts you, duck hunt is helpless to avoid puff's chase and is essentially dead. Ike is probably dead as well depending on his % and the location on stage you hit him, and it's not hard to downsmash him to punish a dodged smash. No, you probably aren't going to hit a decent mac with it, and you sure as hell won't hit a good mac with it(you shouldn't really be playing a good mac with puff anyways.)
Rosalina, Pit, and Dark Pit are just going to get hit away/bounced off the lip as they try and recover, as they're going to have to use their
Ness you can just hop out there and eat the PK thunder before he hits himself with it. Ryu all you have to do is hit him after he uses his double jump and he probably won't make it back, just need to stop him from using an upward >b after the downsmash.
In fact, aside from ZSS, Zelda, palutena, mewtwo, pikachu, Lucas, and ROB, most of the characters will have a hard time recovering if you know how to approach their recovery with puff.
If you get the read and hit them with a downsmash, you can then followup and get kills as low as 30%. downsmash isn't a move to use for directly killing, it's used to set up gimps and WoP. So again, the problem lies with the speed of the move, which I agree, is way too slow for a move that doesn't directly kill.
No, jigglypuff's problem is how good shielding is in this game and how unsafe EVERYTHING she has is on shield.
The big word here is "if." IF you hit somebody with it, they could die at 39%, but that's never going to happen. That's why we want it buffed. It's a good idea on paper, much like a lot of Jigglypuff's moves, but the execution of it is so poor that the chances of you doing anything with the damn move are nonexistent. The only Mac you'll be hitting down smash on is a For Glory Mac. In a serious match, you're going to get shielded, and most likely punished, every time.Again, yes, I know it's slow. not saying it isn't. But lets look at it this way.
Mac and Duck Hunt, if they get hit by it, are just dead. Mac doesn't have the recovery, and in the position it puts you, duck hunt is helpless to avoid puff's chase and is essentially dead. Ike is probably dead as well depending on his % and the location on stage you hit him, and it's not hard to downsmash him to punish a dodged smash. No, you probably aren't going to hit a decent mac with it, and you sure as hell won't hit a good mac with it(you shouldn't really be playing a good mac with puff anyways.)
Rosalina, Pit, and Dark Pit are just going to get hit away/bounced off the lip as they try and recover, as they're going to have to use their
Ness you can just hop out there and eat the PK thunder before he hits himself with it. Ryu all you have to do is hit him after he uses his double jump and he probably won't make it back, just need to stop him from using an upward >b after the downsmash.
In fact, aside from ZSS, Zelda, palutena, mewtwo, pikachu, Lucas, and ROB, most of the characters will have a hard time recovering if you know how to approach their recovery with puff.
If you get the read and hit them with a downsmash, you can then followup and get kills as low as 30%. downsmash isn't a move to use for directly killing, it's used to set up gimps and WoP. So again, the problem lies with the speed of the move, which I agree, is way too slow for a move that doesn't directly kill.
