Wavedash's utility?

[O2Ash]

Alright, after practicing, I can WD almost 100% of the time without failing. However, when in a real battle, I seldom WD because I don't understand what WD is for. Could you guys give me a few examples of how to use WD? The only thing I know is WDing to the ledge. >_<

EDIT: Alright, I know WD could be used for mindgames, movement or canceled into attacks but I want a few examples of using it offensively or at least more specifically. Thanks in advance!

 

[MikeHaggarTHAKJB]

Avoiding attacks. Moving around in general.
Like, if you see where your opponent is going to attack (like say a fox shffl's something at you), you can WD out of that area so he misses and then use a move to punish the lag. (grab, dsmash, tilts...)

 

[O2Ash]

Cool, I'll try to use it more in matches. Do you all use WD to grabs/attacks? If so, which attacks are used?

 

[DtJ Jungle]

with sheik, i usually use wd --> jab reset, wd to dsmash, wd to upsmash..or wd backwards to boost grab

 

[BananaHammock]

one example is in CF dittos (or CF vs. other random characters). if you dthrow and they DI away and tech in place it's hard to reach them with a shffl'd knee and if you run and do a knee you'll over shoot most likely. wavedash forward quickly and shffl a knee for impressive results (; Probably the most commonly useful time I use it though is after shielding a move and getting put just out of range for a shield grab. Wavedash in and grab/attack.

edit: Almost forgot. wavelanding all over platforms isthe most enjoyable thing ever. do it for the lulz. Also: wavedashing backwards off of a ledge/platform allows you to do a back air in that direction much faster than short hopping backward off the ledge/platform.

 

[Witchking_of_Angmar]

One thing wavedashing is really important for is moving quickly out of shield. If your shield gets hit by something, you really want to get that grab/tilt in to punish them, and most of the time, you'll need the wavedash to get there in time.

 

[elvenarrow3000]

Don't forget backwards wavedashing to grab the edge.

Sheik also has a crappy dash dance, so you can use wavedashing to augment that a little.

 

[O2Ash]

Thanks for all the replies! Come to think of it, most of the time my opponent just side step or roll away after hitting my shield. But it's still gonna be hard to use WD naturally in battle. xD Gotta practice a lot more. Anyways, what does Jab Reset and Boost Grabs means?

 

[DtJ Jungle]

when your opponent is on the ground, you jab to make them do the 'slow get up', resetting their position

boost grab is when you dash attack and cancel the attack with grab (so dash, press A then z)

 

[KirbyKaze]

wavedashing is a glitch. stop ruining the game.

 

[O2Ash]

B-b-but it's necessary to be in par with all the pro who uses it. Btw, WD doesn't make the game unfair anyways. >_> Oh and, I heard it was purposely built into the game along with all the advance techniques?

 

[KirbyKaze]

and that's why you're still a Smash n00b.

 

[Bailey]

For Sheik WDin is beast in a few situations.

Say you shield Marth's F-Smash you can WD out of the shield and grab setting up an "Automatic Combo"

 

[O2Ash]

@KirbyKaze
Well, that title is due to my lack of posting in this forums that's all, if you didn't know. Btw, why do you care how I play my game? Whether I'm a noob or not doesn't make any differences whatsoever. xD

 

[Bailey]

Actually it does.

Noob means bad

 

[O2Ash]

Yeah, I know noob = bad. What I meant was, even IF I'm a noob. So what? It won't affect him at all. Anyways, does Fair prioritize over Luigi's Fair?

 

[KirbyKaze]

No. Luigi has more priority than Sheik.

 

[elvenarrow3000]

KirbyKaze's just being weird =P

In the air, there's no such thing as priority outside of ridiculous/disjointed hitboxes. As long as the speed is the same, both people will get hit.

Luigi does seem to outprioritize a lot of people though. That's when I bust out Marth.

 

[Bil]

against fastfallers, dthrow -> WD where they land -> techchase grab, and since you're right on them, if they don't tech you can do whatever to them, or shieldgrab if they do a getup attack, or WD OoS to whatever way they roll into regrab. WDing is VERY useful as Sheik. It's how I chaingrab all my spacies =P

 

[O2Ash]

@elven & kirby
Yeah, most of the time with Luigi, either I'll get hit or both of us will get hit by the Fairs.

@bil
I've seen people do that in videos. I'll try to copy them, seems kinda tricky to pull off. It'll never work on Luigi though. =/

 

[elvenarrow3000]

Luigi shouldn't be a hard matchup as Sheik. Just remember, he's fast on the ground, but not in the air.

 

[O2Ash]

Thanks a lot elven, I'll keep that in mind. Edge guarding for Luigi is no problem. Only his smashes and fair are hard to dodge. Since my Ac adapter exploded, I'll have to wait a few days before trying everything out. >_>

 

[Bil]

everything that I mentioned I said about fastfallers, but against a luigi don't think once you get him in the air its a stock, his nair has SUPER priority. RESPECT THE NAIR.

 

[O2Ash]

LOL, I know his Nair is deadly since it hits me upwards. Then he could easily use Fair/Uair. His WD and Waveland is super long! Ugh.. it's harder than fighting Fox/Marth. Well, I kinda learned quite a lot of things, thanks a lot! Hmm.. does Shiek's Fair and Uair need L cancel? Also, do you guys use the crouch cancel for grabs and smashes? I don't really see the difference in speed. xD

 

[MikeHaggarTHAKJB]

@KirbyKaze
Well, that title is due to my lack of posting in this forums that's all, if you didn't know. Btw, why do you care how I play my game? Whether I'm a noob or not doesn't make any differences whatsoever. xD

he's just messing around dude lol

 

[BananaHammock]

LOL, I know his Nair is deadly since it hits me upwards. Then he could easily use Fair/Uair. His WD and Waveland is super long! Ugh.. it's harder than fighting Fox/Marth. Well, I kinda learned quite a lot of things, thanks a lot! Hmm.. does Shiek's Fair and Uair need L cancel? Also, do you guys use the crouch cancel for grabs and smashes? I don't really see the difference in speed. xD

l-cancel everything. it's just good habit. I know where you're coming from with the Luigi thing. His priority can be frustrating. One thing that hurts him would be needles though. since his mobility is ground-based just firing needles at him will possibly get him to jump which if you see coming you can use to punish. Either way, needles slow down his game and make him alter his approach.

watch some videos of Drephen if you want to see the ultimate Sheik approach (run forward>>>wavedash back>>>run in and punish). Watch out though. You might get called gay if you play too much like Drephen.

 

[elvenarrow3000]

Crouch cancel grabs and smashes? Just jump cancel your grabs... you'll have to crouch cancel smashes out of a run, though.

 

[KirbyKaze]

Just do needles and Fair/Bair and grab and WEEEGEEE loses.

 

[elvenarrow3000]

Ugh, I hate that Weegee thing. My friend used to play Luigi a lot and every time he picked him, he'd be like... Weegee! Weeeeegee! Wwweegee! Wee... gee! For like the entire freaking match.

Thank God he plays Falco now.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

hehehehe weegee

hey there mr ouija...

 

[KirbyKaze]

D-smash is the answer.

 

[Bil]

spacing SH'd bairs all day long while throwing ground needles. thats all.

 

[NeighborhoodP]

Since my Ac adapter exploded

trip report plz

 

[enza99]

well to start off since u only really wavedash non combat
then probably easiest thing to tell is wavedashing backwards (away) when someone shffls or dash attacks you or something... also just to mess with them run towards them then wavedash away sorta like dashdancing blah blah oh and u can dashdance into a wavedash too
basically they might end up attacking u and missing so u take advantage of that and blah blah... just to start out =P
not too hard to space it when u get used to it...

but basically just like moving lol

 

[O2Ash]

Alright, lots and lots of information! Thanks lots guys. Needles kinda knock Luigi away a lot... most of the time hitting him to the ledge, GAH! But yeah, I notice Dreph uses a lot of WD back then attack. Hmm, after WDing a lot, I notice I'm only WDing with 45 degrees. Anymore will make Sheik do her air dodge, is it normal? The range of WD is kinda short and the opponent's attack would still hit me at times.

 

[AllBetsOnJames]

i use wavedash into grabs it works pretty well once u get used to it...since it usually dodges if they try to attack as they move in

 

[KirbyKaze]

Sheik's wavedash has no utility. Using it is pointless. It's shorter than Peach's, and slower than Link's. There's no point to it. You're holding yourself back by using it.