Wavedashing in brawl?

[Ophelius]

Yeah, I know that all of these threads get locked, but I'm going to try to prove it.

Alright. Look on the Bowser character page (don't have the link, sorry ) and in one of the screenshots, you'll see Mario doing an aerial dodge of some sort.

Now look at the new subspace army video. Look at how far he slides when he stops. There's the traction.

Add the aerial dodge and the traction...

WOOT! But-

There's no way for me to absolutely prove the wavedash until I see it or a waveland in a video, but in theory, it should work. I call dibs on first wavedashing thread for brawl!!!

 

[Mr.GAW]

The physics may be different in Brawl, but yes, it SHOULD work.

 

[IllidR]

I call dibs on first wavedashing thread for brawl!!!

*Insert Face-Palm here*

 

[FlatSoda]

if air dodging is back, then most likely there will be some sort of wave dashing i suppose.

Whether it's gotten better or worse, or even defunct, i'm sure there will be tons of new methods players will find out.

 

[Ophelius]

Worst case scenario: Whenever you aerial dodge into the ground, you land on your butt. Or no movement at all. I can't figure out what would be worse at this point in time.

The physics don't look that much different, but of course, like I said, I can't prove it for sure until I see it in a video.

 

[Xanderous]

The subspace video means absolutely nothing. There is no relation to Mario's side and wavedashing. I guess you've never seen a cartoon in your life.

 

[Jackal478]

Who cares?

The only people who use it are people who take smash too seriously. :/

It's just a tech. There are better ones

 

[FlatSoda]

Who cares?

The only people who use it are people who take smash too seriously. :/

It's just a tech. There are better ones

depends how they use it.

in brawl, eh. i'm just awaiting slight mods to how melee was.

 

[Ophelius]

Well, I care. And I don't take smash too seriously. People who say stuff like that obviously either can't do it, or really suck at smash. No offence.

And yes, I know it was a cutscene-ish thing. But it's the only part of a video I could use. None of the other ones have a character sliding to change direction, because they didn't do it.

 

[Jackal478]

Well, I care. And I don't take smash too seriously. People who say stuff like that obviously either can't do it, or really suck at smash. No offence.

And yes, I know it was a cutscene-ish thing. But it's the only part of a video I could use. None of the other ones have a character sliding to change direction, because they didn't do it.

I can do it and I'm an excellent smasher.

 

[Ophelius]

Then why do you whine about it? Not many people here take it too seriously. They have lives, with Jimboooo being the exception XD.

And wavedashing isn't a tech.

 

[abit_rusty]

Hm who knows maybe they'll add it and heck even put it in the manual XD

 

[The Hypnotist]

I don't feel like finding it, so someone find the moving picture of Wario wavedashing. Seriously, I remeber, I had this big rant about how WDing will be in Brawl. And when people saw the Wario moving picture it was cased closed. Someone find that picture plese.

 

[Aryman]

I don't feel like finding it, so someone find the moving picture of Wario wavedashing. Seriously, I remeber, I had this big rant about how WDing will be in Brawl. And when people saw the Wario moving picture it was cased closed. Someone find that picture plese.

Except Wario wasn't wavedashing. He was sliding down the slope. I for one hope WD isn't back.

 

[Takeshi245]

Ophelius, chances are it'll be there, but why make a thread when there are already threads about this? Besides, why don't we wait until we get more information about the physics or get the game so we can be sure it's there?

 

[lollerskater]

I hope wavedashing is replaced by other INTENDED advanced techniques that are easier to do and more well thought out.

I'm sure Smash Bros Brawl will be a much deeper game than Melee was, so we shouldn't be so concerned about whether a single advanced technique will make it to Brawl. There will be plenty of other techniques to make up for it.

 

[Ophelius]

Ophelius, chances are it'll be there, but why make a thread when there are already threads about this? Besides, why don't we wait until we get more information about the physics or get the game so we can be sure it's there?

May as well hope while we can, and whine later, right?

And wavedash is the basis of alot of the advanced techs.

 

[Adi]

I hope wavedashing is replaced by other INTENDED advanced techniques that are easier to do and more well thought out.

First off wavedashing never had a detrimental effect on the Smash metagame. Secondly, the inclusion of wavedashing does not require the exclusion of other advanced techniques that Sakurai plans to create. They can also be very simplistic in nature and have a vast impact on the competitive metagame. Take for example DI. Simply holding the control stick one way or the other can be the difference between life and death, and is certainly the difference between average players and top players.

I'm sure Smash Bros Brawl will be a much deeper game than Melee was, so we shouldn't be so concerned about whether a single advanced technique will make it to Brawl. There will be plenty of other techniques to make up for it.

Better graphics does not equal a deeper game, and that's currently that's all we really know that's going to contribute to it being a better game. We can't make any premature judgements and as consumers we have every right to worry about a product.

 

[GreenKirby]

 

[RapeFalcon]

In a pic of pikachu, they showed him air dodging. Thats why I think WDing will be in Brawl

 

[trash]

lawl ^^

Sakurai dzn't kno abt wavdshing.


but frly.
if anything, they'll see that it was a problem in the game.

sad but true.
and i was just starting to use it effectively.

 

[bjdavis420]

Im betting that they will deal with wavedashing the same way that the did with z/l canceling in ssb64. I doubt that they intended to have z-cancelling take out ALL of the lag time for links dair, but when they realized that it was an advanced tech that people could use without making the game broken, they made it more even for all characters in melee (meaning that it cuts the lag time in half for nearly all characters and all aerials). So, with that said, I would imagine that they will implement wave dashing in Brawl, but it might be a little more even between characters, instead of having luigi who can wavedash every where, and peach who wave dashes no where. Im obviously not sure about this, but I think that looking at how advanced techs from ssb64 were dealt with in melee is a good indicator of what we can expect in brawl.

 

[Ess oh Aytch]

lawl ^^

Sakurai dzn't kno abt wavdshing.


but frly.
if anything, they'll see that it was a problem in the game.

sad but true.
and i was just starting to use it effectively.

...? Jesus Christ, not another one. Can you explain, in a legitimate and intelligent argument, that wavedashing was a "problem"? It's a physics exploit. It's not game-breaking. It only increased the depth. It's your problem if you didn't take the small amount of time to learn it.

 

[Ophelius]

Actually, it took me about a week until I got the timing right.

Wavedashing is not a glitch, or a bug, or anything like that. Like this dude said, it's a physics exploit. Just because it wasn't meant to happen doesn't mean it's a problem.

 

[GoldenS1104]

Jeez, let wavedashing topics die... we'll find out when we get the game.

 

[Ophelius]

Thx for the support dude. I hope Slippy DIES!!!

 

[GoldenS1104]

Thx for the support dude. I hope Slippy DIES!!!

"Slippy, watch out, boegy Ophelius on your tail!"

 

[Ophelius]

*Kills Slippy*
Oops, did I do that? Anyway. Discuss the physics more now than the wavedashing. It'll pop up eventually.
I was hoping it would prove itself with more people paying attention to the videos... Let's keep going!

 

[Mr.GAW]

In the case of the Wario vid, I have to say it looks convincing. But he was wavelanding DOWN the hill. The odds of accidently airdodging left while going down that slope are slim.

I think he was simply sliding. Given, I do believe wavedashing will remain in Brawl.

 

[Ophelius]

But he did waveland?

 

[Mr.GAW]

Not neccesarily. I think he just slid from low traction. Crates and Barrels do it, so why not Wario's?

 

[Mr.Victory07]

If wavedashing is in Brawl, its there on purpose.If its not, players will find something better

 

[Ophelius]

Not neccesarily. I think he just slid from low traction. Crates and Barrels do it, so why not Wario's?

That's not nice, but it would make sense. Was the slope steep? Or what? (My computer craps out whenever I try to watch this one lol)

 

[Mr.GAW]

It was like a 30 degree slant.

 

[The Hypnotist]

Except Wario wasn't wavedashing. He was sliding down the slope. I for one hope WD isn't back.

100% bullspit!

More over, why don't you want wavedashing in Brawl?

 

[Vipure]

Wave Dashing = to BXR in Halo 2 Takes time to learn but its a cheat. L cancling = Double Shot beacause it makes your moves faster. Same with SWD and Shuffling and wobbling and other those other cheats just like many other cheats in halo stand by super jump 3 needler trick shotgun chainsaw trick(gears of War) and more. Its a cheat and it shouldnt be in the game.

 

[IllidR]

Wave Dashing = to BXR in Halo 2 Takes time to learn but its a cheat. L cancling = Double Shot beacause it makes your moves faster. Same with SWD and Shuffling and wobbling and other those other cheats just like many other cheats in halo stand by super jump 3 needler trick shotgun chainsaw trick(gears of War) and more. Its a cheat and it shouldnt be in the game.

It's not a cheat. It's an exploit, and that in no way makes it a cheat. And L-Cancelling was in the first smash, but was never taken out going into melee. Why would they leave it in if it was a cheat? That makes it an advanced technique.

 

[thecatinthehat]

i think i found more proof of low traction.
in the november Nintendo World Vid, right before they introduce Fox, watch Meta Knight in the lower right corner. he sorta slides.

 

[MookieRah]

Wave Dashing = to BXR in Halo 2 Takes time to learn but its a cheat.

It's a cheat according to Bungie and to online play, but from what I hear the competitive scene thinks of it much differently. Again this is an example of intended game mechanics being used in a way the creators didn't imagine, and thusly adding more skill to the game. The fact that Bungie is actually trying to ban people for using this is absurd. It's one thing to super jump to a place where you are untouchable, it's a different story to try to regulate banning on something that, to the untrained eye, would be really hard to notice. I honestly don't know much about Halo 2, but this subject was brought up the other day when Shai was talking about it. I'll try to direct him to this thread to get more info.

Either way, the mentality that you shouldn't use something cause it wasn't intended is scrubbish. Unless it's truly broken, which shouldn't be taken lightly at all, then it should be fair game to use. In a competitive environment you must use everything you have to your advantage and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. A large part of virtually every competitve gaming scene is the use of exploits that takes the game into a much much higher level of gameplay.

 

[Ess oh Aytch]

Wave Dashing = to BXR in Halo 2 Takes time to learn but its a cheat. L cancling = Double Shot beacause it makes your moves faster. Same with SWD and Shuffling and wobbling and other those other cheats just like many other cheats in halo stand by super jump 3 needler trick shotgun chainsaw trick(gears of War) and more. Its a cheat and it shouldnt be in the game.

Holy ****. PLEASE don't say this again. I'm sure tons of people can explain to you why you're wrong, considering some have already. Wavedashing is a completely legitimate technique. It's exploiting the physics of the game. It's not game-breaking. To think this was your first post.