wat do against smash spammers?

[Winston]

Why don't you just shoot them with lasers? Lasers stun. People can't do forward smash when they're stunned. You can then follow up from the laser with... aerials... and various other moves because the stun from the laser is enough that you probably won't be f-smashed. And if you are f-smashed, you probably had horrible spacing or did it wrong in some other way.

Shoot them with lasers.

Shoot them with your ****ing gun and then hit them with moves because frame advantage after laser makes roll spam or f-smash unviable.

LOL this is so great

he's just completely ignoring you

Falco probably has the easiest time out of ANYBODY applying tech skill directly to controller, no mindgames required, and beating people who don't use ATs.

 

[L!nk!n]

I'm the best Falco main in my state. I think I would know if c-stick spamming could be stopped. Just watch THIS SET. I clearly just get destroyed the first stock by fsmashes, but he stopped spamming them so I ended up winning games 2 and 3.

Alright, a few things:
- Nice brag there lol
- that player is clearly not a beginner lacking tech skill. He's pretty solid.
- Marth fsmash is the most broken of all smashes, true!
- You handled it pretty well. Bad luck on last stock. Only your third stock you got slapped around by fsmashes, but overall, you punished a lot of his fsmashes that missed, therefore I can conclude that you can counter c-stick spamming.

 

[Van.]

^if you've never heard of bones0, you really shouldn't be sharing your opinions about this game, no offense bro

 

[ryankam10]

I'm the best Falco main in my state. I think I would know if c-stick spamming could be stopped. Just watch THIS SET. I clearly just get destroyed the first stock by fsmashes, but he stopped spamming them so I ended up winning games 2 and 3.

rofl get scraped

 

[Bones0]

^if you've never heard of bones0, you really shouldn't be sharing your opinions about this game, no offense bro

Thank you, Van.

(sigged haha)

 

[L!nk!n]

^if you've never heard of bones0, you really shouldn't be sharing your opinions about this game, no offense bro

Where did I state that I never heard of him, 'bro'? That's right, I didn't.
Second of all Bones, I know you're a respected Falco player, that's why I find it odd that you are having trouble with C-stick spammers. Read my last response, it wasn't a disrespect or anything. The opening post was more about trying to deal with people that just got into the game, and then you post a vid about a solid Marth, who likes fsmash, who won a game from you and you won the set. Which Marth is stupid enough to NOT use fsmash? That's like saying a Falco can't use his shine cause it's too good.

You should have no problem with beginners who c-stick all the time, period.

 

[EthereaL]

Step 1: Use Marth.

Step 2: Run up to them, and stop just out of their range, watching them smash their c-stick.

Step 3: Forward smash.

Step 4: Repeat steps 2-3 until they lose or stop C-sticking.

 

[Van.]

L!ink!n, dude, he's being funny. He's posting like an ironic caricature of the OP.

Thank you, Van.

(sigged haha)

lol np man

 

[EthereaL]

In all honesty, though, C-stick spam (to an extent) is a valid strategy. While, yes, you can get predicted and punished, it can still be extremely effective. Almost nothing changes a game's flow more than a sudden tipper Fsmash from a Marth, or an Usmash from a Fox when your opponent doesn't expect it.

You can shffl your aerials all you want, and it doesn't matter if your opponent Fsmash's and out-prioritizes you (I'm going to speaking from a Marth perspective for the rest of this post, as Marth's Fsmash exemplifies the benefits more than any other character, other than perhaps Fox's Usmash, but it applies to Falco).

Now, this is only to an extent; obviously, if you want to win you can't soley spam from your Cstick. Your opponent will eventually punish you more than you hit them.

However, it should be done more often. The risk-return is very favorable, (unless you're playing Falco, then the risk outweighs the return, since a hit can equal a stock) and most players don't expect it.

Now, this shouldn't be confused with blind smashing. One should always think before one does something. However, in lieu of short hopping into an fair with Marth to counter your OP Captain Falcon approach, your opponent can simply Forward smash... You approach again, expecting the aerial, surely this time they'll try to...and they forward smash. The next time, you approach you DI away after you leap, baiting their swing...and they wavedash after you, forward smashing.

Random smashes aren't a bad idea; they're definitely worth incorporating into one's gameplay.

A rather rambling commentary that doesn't really address the main point of the thread, but...cheers haha.

 

[Bones0]

Where did I state that I never heard of him, 'bro'? That's right, I didn't.
Second of all Bones, I know you're a respected Falco player, that's why I find it odd that you are having trouble with C-stick spammers. Read my last response, it wasn't a disrespect or anything. The opening post was more about trying to deal with people that just got into the game, and then you post a vid about a solid Marth, who likes fsmash, who won a game from you and you won the set. Which Marth is stupid enough to NOT use fsmash? That's like saying a Falco can't use his shine cause it's too good.

You should have no problem with beginners who c-stick all the time, period.

Bro...

 

[Jolteon]

This thread delivers.

 

[Jasou]

This thread is becoming quite offtopic

 

[Naughty Pixel]

eh i kinda have similar trouble with my roommate he just uses luigi and does like down smash down smash down smash up smash fair and at like 70 or 80% ill be too far away to recover cause i suck at DI'ing atm. It's not that hard for me to beat though, all it really takes is a shffled dair or nair into shine to get him in the air and rain hell down upon him... still have troubling finishing at times though on stages like DL64 and I guess PKMN Stadium cause so often times he won't die. But I know your pain it's lame losing to players who don't fully know how lame they're being by sticking solely to smash attacks.

You shouldn't really care about winning though if you're trying to rise above the chaotic strategy that you're friends are sticking to. Learning all these fancy tricks that you can find on the SWF won't automatically give you the rite of passage to kicking their ***** it takes like a lot of experience to begin to apply the techniques you read about here effectively.

The bottom line is (and I've already said this):
Don't worry about winning it will come to you in time if you truly want to become better.

 

[Jasou]

Naughty's point is really good, learning adv techniques won't automatically make you better (some times). I know WAY more adv techniques then one person at my club and he is one of the club's best, because he just plays really damn well.

Sometimes in the heat of a match I like to slow down and stop (stop being offensive) for a few seconds and see what my opponent does. This is useful if I'm having trouble with something my opponent does. You might consider trying this because it's useful for seeing how they react to you not being offensive (of course you should shield and dodge if they come at you when your doing this), but i'm guessing when you fight really good players they will give you no time to breath.

 

[crush]

ShineSpikeOverPowered is my troll account :D

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

So only mods will know for sure due to IP address.

Crush, mind numbing people since feb. 011'

 

[Death Arcana]

hey just laser spam them until they have to approach
if you don't want to the wavedash and waveshine route

 

[kevo]

problem is solved.

I run into them and shield then they fsmash and I jump out iwt SH laser FF, shine cancel, nair, repeat, and SH dair to edgeguard.

Now, I facing with people who constantly roll behind and c-stick. -.- wat do.

As soon as your see them entering the roll animation and rolling past you, short hop bair. You can do it out of shield for extra smexyness. Utilt works too if they are low % and you want to start and air combo. Everything in the game leaves you vulnerable for a set amount of frames. You need to be sentient about what your opponent is doing and punish them during those few frames.

 

[4 Aces]

f-smash knocks me back when i shield so i dun able to shieldgrab

If smash pushes you too far away, wavedash out of shield towards them then grab.

Maybe go learn some ats first. and then just **** them >.>

Actually, its Marth fsmash and Falco fsmashe spammers that really tick me off. Mostly the marth fsmash spammers.

However, the next time I play against them, I'll try to think as I play (which I'm not accustomed to), use lasers much more, try the JC grabbing, running at them then shield and punish, and work on shine combos.

Also, is there a way to tell if i L cancled with falco?

Go to training mode...or whatever mode you use to train. Then try using aerials without L-Cancels, then aerials with L-Cancels. Compare the two and see how they look when you 1) Do them right 2) Do them wrong. Get used to how it feels. Profit.

That's basically it. Just know how they look and feel when done right/wrong. And do them right forever and ever. Once you're used to it, you'll be able to tell when you mess up, because you'll feel like a ****ing sloth.

LOL this is so great

he's just completely ignoring you

Falco probably has the easiest time out of ANYBODY applying tech skill directly to controller, no mindgames required, and beating people who don't use ATs.

^Lol yeah this.

Ultimately it comes down to this:
Play smarter. Watch for patterns and don't fall for the same tricks. And if you make a mistake, don't make it again. Mix things up. Pay attention.

Or, you train your tech skill to the point where you just overwhelm them to hell.

To practice tech skill, don't worry about winning, rather worry about how WELL you do; who cares if you win; it's more about how badly you ***** them per stock -- how well you played overall.

 

[Jasou]

ShineSpikeOverPowered is my troll account :D

Lol, your still going to get information to deal with smash spammers because you asked for it.