artofskjet
Smash Journeyman
I've lost to a sheik in every tourney I went to so far. I want to find a way to win this MU. Any tips on what Falcon can do in this MU will help me greatly.
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Want to play Falcon against sheik. Tips Anyone
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ShiftingShadows28
Smash Journeyman
I am bad at combos on shiek but here is some neutral game advise.
Try not to run up nair approach at all for lower %. If you are going to nair at low %, do it starting stationary so you can tip it and follow up with a quick shffl knee to punish a crouch cancel attempt, which will lead to grab. Space out some good bairs vs her tilts and possibly work on stomping her. Dash dance into shield when she threatens a possible dash attack. If she leaves the ground, try and punish her, however be careful of needles intercepting you. Hope these are a good few tips in the right direction for you.
Try not to run up nair approach at all for lower %. If you are going to nair at low %, do it starting stationary so you can tip it and follow up with a quick shffl knee to punish a crouch cancel attempt, which will lead to grab. Space out some good bairs vs her tilts and possibly work on stomping her. Dash dance into shield when she threatens a possible dash attack. If she leaves the ground, try and punish her, however be careful of needles intercepting you. Hope these are a good few tips in the right direction for you.
Equal
Smash Apprentice
Uhh if you play Marth, Sheik and Falcon... you're putting yourself at a horrible disadvantage using your Falcon against Sheiks.
But anyways, Sheiks can destroy you if you have bad DI. There's nothing stopping a Sheik from F/D/U tilting you 6 times if you keep holding in. So if they catch you with multiple tilts, you NEED to DI away and get back to a neutral position.
Watch for crouch cancels. If it's very obvious you can get a free stomp or knee except for at super low percents (which it will still trade with whatever they do)
Know your %s in general, this is VERY important with your grabs: 0-30ish downthrow can lead to regrabs if they don't DI, you can also try techchasing if they DI away. At 30% up throw nair/upair leads into lots of stuff. Around 70%-100% you can up throw directly into knee guaranteed. Any higher they can jump out of it but d-throw can sometimes lead into knee I think.
When Sheik is recovering it's very important to grab the ledge, force her to recover on stage, often times you can stomp (to knee) or knee her from the ledge and put on some serious damage. Also a tip using a regular get up can be helpful instead of the longer roll animation from ledge to punish her recovery.
Sheik can really stuff lots of Falcons approaches with her tilts, your best bet is to make her whiff or overextend with some dashdance baits.
That's about all I can think of off the top of my head
But anyways, Sheiks can destroy you if you have bad DI. There's nothing stopping a Sheik from F/D/U tilting you 6 times if you keep holding in. So if they catch you with multiple tilts, you NEED to DI away and get back to a neutral position.
Watch for crouch cancels. If it's very obvious you can get a free stomp or knee except for at super low percents (which it will still trade with whatever they do)
Know your %s in general, this is VERY important with your grabs: 0-30ish downthrow can lead to regrabs if they don't DI, you can also try techchasing if they DI away. At 30% up throw nair/upair leads into lots of stuff. Around 70%-100% you can up throw directly into knee guaranteed. Any higher they can jump out of it but d-throw can sometimes lead into knee I think.
When Sheik is recovering it's very important to grab the ledge, force her to recover on stage, often times you can stomp (to knee) or knee her from the ledge and put on some serious damage. Also a tip using a regular get up can be helpful instead of the longer roll animation from ledge to punish her recovery.
Sheik can really stuff lots of Falcons approaches with her tilts, your best bet is to make her whiff or overextend with some dashdance baits.
That's about all I can think of off the top of my head
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Da Shuffla
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Falcon Index Thread is the fountain of knowledge you so seek.
Waverider900
Smash Cadet
this is small, but I've found Sheik mains get really salty when they can't hit Falcon/ get comboed by him. so just play with them a bit to make them mad and that'll make your job easier
menotyou135
Smash Journeyman
I play marth who also has a problem against sheik. I decided to just pick jiggz against sheik if I can since that's basically the only disadvantageous matchup for sheik (except maybe fox).
Dude it feels so weird that it's still stickied after all this time
But yeh that's probably where I would start, even though I do have a lot of personal experience with the match up that's probably where I would look.
Marth Sheik is not fun at all
Short version of CF/Sheik is that you can combo her as well as she can combo you with FH2xuairs and nair and stuff (depending on DI of course)
Stomp is pretty legit in this MU
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Hit her offstage and then edgeguard her
that's my TL;DR version