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Videos of my Marth

Ijuka

Smash Ace
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The videos are on yousendit, because youtube has crappy quality and I'm too lazy to find a better host.

Anyways, please comment and give tips, rate, tell me what I could do better, and what I do well... I'll try to upload more matches at some point, but right now I have limited access to the internet, so I tried to select the most successful matches.

Links:
http://download.yousendit.com/8AF09FFC18CEEA6F [Ijuka (Marth) vs MasterTK (Falco)]
http://download.yousendit.com/A2E70E056957D73D [Ijuka (Marth) vs MasterTK (C. Falcon)]

I hope you enjoy them.

Oh, and if someone could upload these to somewhere better, I would be most grateful.

EDIT: Yeah the Falco match has some lame counter-attempts on side-B... Don't know why I did them. >_> Try to not mind...
 

Kefka

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Very nice marth, definitely ahead of mine. Solid combos on falcon, really like the fair cancel into utilt. Im assuming the full jump's are just silly mistakes :p

Keep it up! Youve inspired me to spend some time on marth vs falco... i still get ***** by him.
 

Emblem Lord

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Video 1

Critiquing vids of players fighting a Falco is tough because the fight is really just about dealing with Falco's bull**** and playing really gimpy to get kills. You can only critique a few things in a Marth vs Falco match up.

How well did he chain grab/combo?

How well did he deal with Falco's lasers/approach?

How well did he edgeguard?

How well did he tech chase if Falco got away?

Was he really gimpy and effective in getting kills?

You did well in all areas IMO, but like I said this match-up doesn't really show skill that much. I will still try to give you some advice though.

Your edge guarding, although solid was kinda random and a little wierd. You used dolphin slash alot. More reliable options would be to fair or bair when you see Falco getting ready to do his Fire Bird.

You did Dancing Blade when Falco was CCing. Not a wise decision. He could have punished you.

A few times you got pillared out of your shield. Roll using the C-stick to get out of that. Or make your shield lighter so you can be knocked away.


Video 2

Saw alot of needless jumping around in the beggining.

You tried to grab alot in situations where you grab would miss after you attacked CF. Know when to grab and when to follow up your combos with another attack.

00:51- Random Dolphin slash. I don't know what you were doing. CF was already in the air so there was no way you could have hit him.

Your edge guarding was good. I can't say much about it.

1:32- You did a full jump and then a forward b. Why? You are begging CF to **** you by doing that.

Too much full jumping. I can't stress that enough. You don't full jump against CF unless you want him to knee **** you.

Saw some dancing blade spam towards the end. You need to cut back on that.

Work on your tech chasing. Marth is beastly at it and you missed quite a few opportunities to do it.

1:43- That could have been an u-throw to F-smash or a Nair. Maybe even an u-throw to Ken combo depending on CF's DI. But you did a d-throw.

Try to cut back on those F-smashes. They usually hit, but they got shielded a few times too. A better CF would have punished you.

2:03- You spot dodged after shielding CF's ledge attack. Why? That was an easy kill. You could have done a reverse Dolphin Slash or just thrown him off the stage and edge guarded.

I didn't see enough u-throw to tech chasing to u-throw to tech chase...etc. Also I didn't see enough u-throw to u-tilts to f-smash or fair combos when CF's percent is high enough. Those are staple strategies in this match up.

Basically I saw some good edge guarding mixed in with some randomness and some newbishness, no offense. You dash danced in place alot, but it seemed like there was no purpose behind it. Your appraoch seemed random with all the full jumping and dancing blades. Plus you didn't follow through alot. You would get a hit with a nair then let CF get away when you could have pressured him by dashing after him and tech chasing.
 

UMBC Super Smasher

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You're too flashy for your own good. You don't see pros using so many dolphin slashes and jumping out in front of a phantasm with a counter. Why? There are more reliable and effective ways to edgeguard. It's the simple stuff that works.

Keep falcon in front of you. Don't jump over him with your aerials. Nice fair to utilt combo, short hopped dair edgeguard, and wavedash off stage to bair. Overall a good marth.

EL said everything else I think...
 

Cactuar

El Fuego
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Both people in these videos make too many bad decisions and are lacking (useful) technical ability. EL covered a bunch on the bad decisions, but overall you are both slow players. Taking advantage of Marth's speed is a must when attempting to compete with higher caliber players, and you lack that advantage. You also spam DD's and WD's in a manner that doesn't really put it to use, and don't react well out of your shield.

Also, just because you can continue a combo, doesn't mean you should. The objective is to put the opponent off the stage and prevent them from coming back. Batting them around the stage just gives them opportunity to give you %.

Your responses to a lot of situations are very poor. *Watches Falcon up-b to the stage... watches Marth try to downsmash edgeguard*
 

UMBC Super Smasher

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I'm very busy right now due to finals and projects, but here goes:

Marth vs Falco:

0:17 - would have been better to fair here instead of dolphin slash. There is less room for error with the fair.

0:45 - I would have probably done a hop up to the ledge with a dair since I pull that off with high consistency, however it probably would have been a better idea to just stay on the stage and fsmash or dtilt.

1:02 - why are you trying to counter here? Do you think falco will sweet spot the ledge perfectly so that dtilt doesn't work? If you have enough time to counter, just grab the ledge.

1:54 - again why counter? If falco decides to phantasm into you, just jab and he'll fall lower. Otherwise, just stick with a dtilt.

2:42 - you were moving into the uair part of the combo too soon. I would have either utilted or wavedashed forward and fsmashed falco off the stage.

2:58 - what if you had missed the dolphin slash? It would have left you perfectly open for a couple seconds.

A lot of the stuff you did looked nice and flashy, but overusing moves like marth's up B is bad. You should stick to moves that don't leave marth open for seconds after their use.

Marth vs Falcon:

0:00-0:05 - Why are you dash dancing here? Are you afraid falcon will grab you after an aerial?

0:13 - You're jumping over falcon with an aerial. That's a very bad thing to do because it puts you open and places falcon behind you. Always keep falcon in front of you! Feel pressured toward the edge of the stage? Why? Just dtilt your way out. Marth should never feel pressured at the edge of the stage.

0:37 - I saw a Ken combo right there. You still finished falcon off however, so it was your choice whether or not to go for the spike.

1:26 - Nice bair.

2:03 - Dsmash???? Dtilt wouldn't even work in that situation. I would have tried a short hopped dair.

Your marth is pretty good overall, you just need to make smarter decisions. You did a lot of good things.

It's always harder to critique a video where marth wins than one where he loses. Basically I'm telling you that you could have 3 or 4 stocked falco and falcon. Put up some vids against someone who is better than you, cause then we can tell you where you went wrong.
 

Ijuka

Smash Ace
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Video 2

Saw alot of needless jumping around in the beggining.

You tried to grab alot in situations where you grab would miss after you attacked CF. Know when to grab and when to follow up your combos with another attack.

00:51- Random Dolphin slash. I don't know what you were doing. CF was already in the air so there was no way you could have hit him.

I don't know what I was doing either =P

Your edge guarding was good. I can't say much about it.

1:32- You did a full jump and then a forward b. Why? You are begging CF to **** you by doing that.

Too much full jumping. I can't stress that enough. You don't full jump against CF unless you want him to knee **** you.

That sounds quite true.

Saw some dancing blade spam towards the end. You need to cut back on that.

Yeah, i'd guess so.

Work on your tech chasing. Marth is beastly at it and you missed quite a few opportunities to do it.

1:43- That could have been an u-throw to F-smash or a Nair. Maybe even an u-throw to Ken combo depending on CF's DI. But you did a d-throw.

It's not too useful commenting just sole mistakes, I guess.. but okay, so more uthrow >_>

Try to cut back on those F-smashes. They usually hit, but they got shielded a few times too. A better CF would have punished you.

Yeah, I try to use them only when they work... try =/

2:03- You spot dodged after shielding CF's ledge attack. Why? That was an easy kill. You could have done a reverse Dolphin Slash or just thrown him off the stage and edge guarded.

I really don't know. At the moment I was thinking: "UP B!!", but did sidestep instead. Really stupid of me, shouldn't happen again.

I didn't see enough u-throw to tech chasing to u-throw to tech chase...etc. Also I didn't see enough u-throw to u-tilts to f-smash or fair combos when CF's percent is high enough. Those are staple strategies in this match up.

Ah...

Basically I saw some good edge guarding mixed in with some randomness and some newbishness, no offense. You dash danced in place alot, but it seemed like there was no purpose behind it. The purpose was waiting for a mistake... Your appraoch seemed random with all the full jumping and dancing blades. my all characters are very random =P I guess there was too much full jumping, all right. Plus you didn't follow through alot. You would get a hit with a nair then let CF get away when you could have pressured him by dashing after him and tech chasing. Very true, but wasn't that just a small single mistake? Most of them I realized... it's more about the style and stuff, not so much about the single messages.
I'm very busy right now due to finals and projects, but here goes:

Marth vs Falco:

0:17 - would have been better to fair here instead of dolphin slash. There is less room for error with the fair. I know that, I just felt like hitting with the dolphin slash =P And it hit, so it's okay, neh?

0:45 - I would have probably done a hop up to the ledge with a dair since I pull that off with high consistency, however it probably would have been a better idea to just stay on the stage and fsmash or dtilt. I don't remember what happened here, was it the up B? if so, that was just a stupid mistake.

1:02 - why are you trying to counter here? Do you think falco will sweet spot the ledge perfectly so that dtilt doesn't work? If you have enough time to counter, just grab the ledge.

no clue. For fun? Normally i'd ftilt/dtilt.

1:54 - again why counter? If falco decides to phantasm into you, just jab and he'll fall lower. Otherwise, just stick with a dtilt.

No idea.

2:42 - you were moving into the uair part of the combo too soon. I would have either utilted or wavedashed forward and fsmashed falco off the stage.

I think it went quite well...

2:58 - what if you had missed the dolphin slash? It would have left you perfectly open for a couple seconds.

He was under the stage anyway, couldn't have made it back to the stage even if I missed. That's what I saw while playing, I'm not sure, though. That's why I did that. He would have died anyway, made it flashier.

A lot of the stuff you did looked nice and flashy, but overusing moves like marth's up B is bad. You should stick to moves that don't leave marth open for seconds after their use.



Marth vs Falcon:

0:00-0:05 - Why are you dash dancing here? Are you afraid falcon will grab you after an aerial? Waiting for mistakes.
more later. Thanks everyone =)
 

JesiahTEG

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I actually learned a lot from reading everyone's responses towards your video. Good job though, remember, messing up is the key to getting better.
 

Ijuka

Smash Ace
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Getting ***** is the best way to get good. Too bad there aren't that many really good players around here. =/
 

UMBC Super Smasher

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Yeah, that's a problem, but then again I guess that means you can win all the local tournaments? At my last local tournament I had Chillin, ChuDat, M2K, Husband, and many other high level players like G-reg. In order to win a tournament I have to become a top pro.
 

Ijuka

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Well I live in Finland, and am currently the first in PR here. So yeah, I win nearly all of them. I'll go to RoS4 thi8s summer though, we'll see what happens there.
 
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