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Version Burden

kirbykid

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<em>Thanks for coming to my little talk entitled “Version Burden.” If you would, please take out and look at your Super Smash Brother’s Melee GameCube disks at this time. If you look closely on the back, you’ll be able to determine what version of Smash you have by the model number. It should say something like DOL-GALE-0-<strong>??</strong> USA. Would all the zeros please step over to this area. Ones over here. And the rest of you gather on that end.”</em>
<p align="center"><a href="http://smashboards.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/200px-gamecube_disc.jpg" title="200px-gamecube_disc.jpg"><img src="http://smashboards.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/200px-gamecube_disc.jpg" alt="200px-gamecube_disc.jpg" /><!--more--></a></p>
<em>We are different. Though we all look like smashers, we play with different versions of the game. This is very dangerous. There are a myriad of tiny alterations between the versions of Smash. What if someone playing version.0 fights a person playing version.2 and loses because he would be unable to perform Link’s super jump on Final Destination? This is unacceptable. This is why we at the Competitive Community Union have decided to have separate tournaments for each version just to keep everything fair.</em>
<p align="center"><a href="http://smashboards.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/box-l.jpg" title="box-l.jpg"><img src="http://smashboards.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/box-l.jpg" alt="box-l.jpg" /></a> VS <a href="http://smashboards.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/smashbrosdx.jpg" title="smashbrosdx.jpg"><img src="http://smashboards.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/smashbrosdx.jpg" alt="smashbrosdx.jpg" /></a></p>
<em>You may be thinking to yourself, ‘Where are my Ninhonjin tomodachi’s?’ I’ll tell you where. Your Japanese friends are in another room. We are not allowed to play with them. Just think of all the differences that exist between a Japanese version of the game and our version. I shouldn’t have to remind you of the horrors of the PAL release. May 24, 2002 will forever be a dark day for Smash. Before the release to the Europeans, someone decided to go back and “tweak” the game a bit. Some characters are heavier. Some are lighter. Fox, Marth, and Shiek have been weakened. Kirby was made STRONGER! I found a <a href="http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=57155" title="HERE">list of changes here.</a></em>
<p align="left"><em>I’ll conclude this talk by singing out Smash Competitive Motto.</em></p>

<p align="center"><em>Complain about the game.</em>
<em>Take out items and fun.</em>
<em>At any tiny change.</em>
<em>Complain. Complain Complain.</em>
<p align="center"><em>And don’t forget to segregate everyone.</em></p>
<p align="left">&nbsp;</p>
<p align="left">Ok. Now to get serious. There are differences between our versions of smash, but they’re so tiny that we don’t bother to pay attention to them at tournaments. Between all the versions, the game is still 99% consistent. If the competitive community complained about that 1%, then we really would have a problem</p>
<p align="left">But the differences in the PAL version of the game bring up some interesting points. From reading the list, it looks like they tried to tone down the tiers by helping out the low tiers. None of the changes were too significant, but the effort is worth noting.</p>
<p align="left">Why change the game at all? Wasn’t it doing well in Japan and America? Why go back and tweak such tiny details? Someone out there is clearly concerned with the game’s balance. Someone out there knows the tier list, and tried to make things more fair for everyone. Someone out there deserves a round of applause. Go ahead and clap. I’ll wait.</p>
<p align="left">If this person (or his ideas) are still present in Brawl there are only a few possibilities. If the game manages to get online support, all the versions of the game have to be the same. We can’t have different things happening in each player’s Wii. Also, instead of tweaking future versions of the game, they might be able to have downloadable updates. To play the game online, you would have to have the most current update. In this way, most players would be playing with the updated version. The file size for the update would be smaller than small. Seriously, it would only be a few lines of code that say, “Adjust the power on some of these attacks NOW!” (I gave the code a little attitude.)</p>
<p align="left">With a world wide release (or anything close) this is quite a logical possibility.</p>
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Karleko

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DOL-GALP-0-00 JPN. *sigh* PAL :( The pain is undiscribable, so undiscribable, I can’t even write undiscrbable.
 

SciFiGuy

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Yeah, the best smashers can win tournaments despite what version they use.

Examples: Ken at JGT and Captain Jack at RoofSM.
 
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princess peach

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why did they use peach i mean zelda is the same right?
god i’m soooooooooo angry
i think i will kill yoshi,shike,ganon,fox and kirby
 
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awesome ivan

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what if they didn’t tweak it at all? i mean, sure different country’s would have different stuff and different menus, characters, etc. but couldn’t they just translate it to each persons respective menus? and even in country, do they have to tweak it? i mean we can wait say, a month extra if it makes the online better right? also, what if there was a thing called “smash boards” that lets you post tournaments and stuff with certain rules that you make (after all, it would be YOUR tournament) i mean couldn’t smash be one of the first online wii games without friend codes?

ps. when will they post the character selections screen on the site?
 
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Falcofucker

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Dude, this site is awesome…if you dont like it Ivan, make your OWN!!! Get him Kirby, i got your back
 

kirbykid

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awesome ivan:
I’m not talking about tweaks to the menu’s, I’m talking about adjustments to the gameplay. And you have to realize, that when to unlike codes are supposed to be communicating to each other online, crazy things can happen. In order for communications to run most smoothly, it’s best to be running the same codes.

This isn’t a issue about rules, this is an issue about the game at it’s core and coding.

Also, your comment about friend-codes seems unfounded. No one knows how Brawl will use friends codes if they get online to work. There’s nothing inherently wrong with them.
 
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METROID MAN

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WHAT IS PAL? OR BETTER YET, WHERE IS PAL (IN THE WORLD)
 
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Karleko

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hahahahha, METROID MAN, that reply was genius, especially the end, *sigh* pal is my mom. OK, PAL is the European version of a particular game, in this case Smash Melee. You I suspect have NTSC, the Japanese and USA version of the game (where Sheik downtrow is not escapable and fox cannot tech out of Falco’s downtrow). The undiscribable yada yada yada etc.
 
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Sneaky

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I have the earliest version possible, if I were to get a new one, would the memory card data be compatible?
 
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Karleko

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I do speak spanish, however to my knowledge, I have no mexican blood. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. And you shouldn’t insult your mother like that it’s not very decent.
 
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Sneaky

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O_o I leave for a few hours and I miss all this comedy GOLD! I’m telling all my friends about this blog! Informative articles, like-minded views, even free entertainment!

My little sister agrees. Especially about the free entertainment part. She says “Look at all the n00bs. Screw Cartoon Networkâ€.





(( I know I put this on “Team Attack!”, but who’s reading that anymore? ))
 
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Sneaky

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She also feels sorry for Kirbykid having to put up with all this pointless drivel. =/
 
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Karleko

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:) I like cartoon network to. Even though I am more partial to Nickelodeon.
 
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Karleko

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Indeed, it is unfair to KirbKid. My appologies to KirbyKid if I offended him, annoyed him or anything else not good.
 
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Sneaky

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Look Falco****er, you’re making many people upset on this blog, and you have. My sister is not one of them, but she does not post here. Neither does Karleko’s mother, or Master’s dad. I’ll admit i’ve been amused by the flamewars, but remember that i’m the last bridge you have to burn to gain unanimous contempt from the people who post on this blog. Please, do not push it.
 

kirbykid

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Thanks for the concern guys.

I just used a little piece of my life to fix our friend FalcoF**** again.

If you’re reading this Mr. Falco, how about we make a deal.

Stop making rude comments, and comments that are off topic, and I’ll write an article on Falco.

Deal?
 
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Sneaky

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What’s wrong with the PAL version? And can someone get me screenshots of it? Like any version-exclusive trophies?
 
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Karleko

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There’s nothing “really”, wrong with it, there have just been made some changes in the games dynamic system (yeah I made dynamic system up). Certain thing are just not possible and certain characters have been weakend, maybe even made stronger. The one plus in PAL is that we have lower case letters (you know where you can write your name, so you can have a tag while fighting, to know where you are when you transport with Sheik)
 
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Karleko

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I thought some might not know what i meant when I wrote “lower case”, so i wrote something else in parentheses to explain what I meant with lower case, didn’t mean to offend you by suggesting you don’t know about names. Anyway, PAL has some anoying differences, that basicly it, not huge deal (big deal deal though, not huge)
 
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Sneaky

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And I take no offense. I’m glad you took the time to help out a potential newbie. You just don’t see that altruism much on the Internet these days. :(
 
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Karleko

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I’ve played NTSC a few times, A friend of mine had it imported, I was so amazed that I could pawn (even more so) with Sheik, he couldn’t escpae, HAHAHA. I grab alot in my fighting style. I felt so superior.

Altruïsm -&gt; freetranslation -&gt; Dutch -&gt; Het Altruïsme. Lot a help that site was. I know now what the word means.
 
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Falcofucker

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and im going to apoligyze because i like this site, now get to writing about Falco
 
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Sneaky

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Perhaps I will try Sheik. And this “boomerang jump” they took out of later versions.
 
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Falcofucker

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This would be my article on SciFiGuy.

“SciFiGuy.

He is top queer.

Discuss.”
 
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Sneaky

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*slams head on desk* Let’s leave KirbyKid to the article writing. *slams head on desk further*
 
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Falcofucker

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And to Sneaky, don’t threaten me by telling me i cant come back to this site. By the look of your posters, you have about three other people who come here. I like this site but nobodys gonna tell me what i can and cant say. Kirby asked me nicly to stop and i gladly will but if you come at me, im going ot go right back at you. Ban me and ill go to the other five hundred blog sites and you can bring your viewers of this site back down to three.
 
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Karleko

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O, how I envy those who can use boomerang jump, even though I haven’t found a practicalse for it, I’d still like to have the option of performing it.
 
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Sneaky

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I’m not even a mod! I just found this blog about a week ago? What do I have to do with this? O_o
 
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Sneaky

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Yeah, I tried the boomerang jump and couldn’t get it. On Fourside, I kept hitting the ground too much. They count it as getting knocked down (as if you could have teched, but failed) when you hook onto a wall but hit a floor.
 
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