Version 1.1.1 Pac-Man Patch notes

[SafCar]

RNG notwithstanding, G&W can Dthrow combo us at mid percents (He's one of the remaining few to not get his nerfed), he can duck under some of our aerials/fruit, and he's doesn't telegraph his attacks as much. He has some damage nerfs, but his smashes still hurt and Judgement is a prevalent threat even if we can Trampoline away from a Dthrow early percents.

We have to get the match down to where G&W is predictable, but we need to be careful that we don't wind up getting predictable ourselves.

 

[Nu~]

Use this.

https://trinket.io/python/35c2ec074b?toggleCode=true
This is wrong.

 

[Neutricity]

View attachment 76148
Use this.

https://trinket.io/python/35c2ec074b?toggleCode=true
This is wrong.

May I get a link to the source please?

 

[QUBiX]

Can we get some videos of all this "new" stuff? As a pac main i've been trying to patiently wait to see what the shield pressure and safer tech looks like in this new patch. My 2DS decided to die before the patch dropped so I haven't been able to try it for myself..

 

[SafCar]

Yeah, I mean, it's not like capture cards are expensive or inaccessible, am I right?

 

[QUBiX]

Yeah, I mean, it's not like capture cards are expensive or inaccessible, am I right?

Don't be mean expensive is relative, especially for poor nerds like me. lol. The patch barely came out and I'm sure someone will be able to help us out with some footage of the fresh pac-attack. I'm just really curious to see the improved hydrant+z-drop pressure. Everything else I can use my imagination for, but I want to see shields almost break with my own eyes. haha

 

[PEPESPAIN]

I have a question, what happend if someone block hydrant + melon (Zdrop)? were they blocked 17F on the shield?

 

[xzx]

Yeah I video of PAC-MAN's shieldbreaker Z-drop Key to Hydrant to Nair would be appreciated!

 

[Froggy]

Show me the shield break and it's all I'll practice for the rest of the week!

 

[NouveauRétro]

I have a question, what happend if someone block hydrant + melon (Zdrop)? were they blocked 17F on the shield?

Pepe we don't have capture cards you have to record the combo
You're our last hope

 

[verbatim]

I did this last week, if I ever get free time (if) I'll record with my broken black magic recorder and put up a version with bad sound quality.

 

[BSP]

Here's some theorycraft for ya: Fox Trot FSmash or Perfect Pivot Tilts / Smashes??

Good point. Maybe the faster Fsmashes would catch us, but I wouldn't be too worried about this.

 

[QUBiX]

May I get a link to the source please?

Regarding the dispute of sources for the new shield stun:

Nu~ is right. Your source produces wrong shield stun values, but I have gone and fixed the previous formula that was used in your link. Now it outputs the correct shield stun and frame advantage for us to use. It seems like it was a bit outdated with previously assumed values for the new stun formula. Thanks for sharing this original tool!

https://trinket.io/python/05b337446d?toggleCode=true

 

[QUBiX]

For the discussions on OoS options, whether something is safe or not we should be referencing sources such as this:
http://smashboards.com/threads/out-of-shield-frame-data-chart.419330/

It's a pretty nice visual tool for us to build the meta. obviously raw frame data sheets are just as good..

 

[Neutricity]

For the discussions on OoS options, whether something is safe or not we should be referencing sources such as this:
http://smashboards.com/threads/out-of-shield-frame-data-chart.419330/

It's a pretty nice visual tool for us to build the meta. obviously raw frame data sheets are just as good..

I don't know who you are or where you came from but thank you

 

[QUBiX]

Just a newly competitive sm4sh player. Been playing Pacman off and on for a few months on my 2DS, and I finally decided to really get into this game and the smashboards community.

 

[ZeoLightning]

I have a question, what happend if someone block hydrant + melon (Zdrop)? were they blocked 17F on the shield?

I havent tried but i dont have many chances to test it with people since i dont live with anyone who plays smash, try it out though

 

[ZeoLightning]

Pepe we don't have capture cards you have to record the combo
You're our last hope

I have a capture card, but i dont have friends i can play smash to lab this with

 

[verbatim]

js if anyone can do the shieldbreak combo in under 5 minutes you can just upload the replay to youtube from the game pad.

 

[PEPESPAIN]

I can record it guys, send me the replay and I'll do it or I'll try to do it and record

 

[BSP]

I've already pulled off the shield break combo in a for glory match, and I didn't even need to use a Nair after the hydrant + key hits. The only problem is that once you land it once, they'll never sit in shield under you again while you have a key.

 

[verbatim]

throw the key down then?

 

[SafCar]

Hydrant, then land and throw key at the water/hydrant. I don't think we can throw items down if we spawn hydrant first, and we can't spawn Hydrant fast enough for the key to hit it when thrown first.

 

[BSP]

throw the key down then?

No, Z drop the key from your hand and then drop the hydrant. You have to make sure the Key hits their shield first, or else it's not a true blockstring.

Also, I never got any seconds on a galaxian knockback change. I guess it was just me? I'm not sure how to verify it or anything.

 

[QUBiX]

I've already pulled off the shield break combo in a for glory match, and I didn't even need to use a Nair after the hydrant + key hits. The only problem is that once you land it once, they'll never sit in shield under you again while you have a key.

Even better. Save the shield break to end the first stock and condition your opponent from there. They will have to respect you from then on, and if they don't they will get their shield broken. At that point they can't spot dodge if you're above them so they are forced to roll either direction. Pac has great tools to counter people rolling in fear. This can be another huge factor of controlling space and the pace of the match.

EDIT: Maybe we can incorporate and preemptive trap before initiating the shield break to limit our opponent's space. Drop a trampoline and trap the opponent in between. If you initiate the shield break they will have to roll into the trampoline, or roll the opposite way.
We can mix up the sequence of item drops depending on the read-
* If they get scared and shield: we drop the key first for the true blockstring and break their shield.
* If they telegraph a roll: we drop the hydrant first to control the space under you and key them as they bounce up from the trampoline, or roll the other direction.

Just a thought..

 

[verbatim]

No, Z drop the key from your hand and then drop the hydrant. You have to make sure the Key hits their shield first, or else it's not a true blockstring.

Also, I never got any seconds on a galaxian knockback change. I guess it was just me? I'm not sure how to verify it or anything.

I meant that you could throw the key down on the second or third time once you've conditioned them to fear the shieldbreak combo.