Ubers: Discussion/Q+A/Creative Moveset

[Riddle]

I have recently gotten into the Ubers metagame and found it to be very fun and rewarding. Ubers is a game of extremes. Most teams are either heavy offense or stall. There is much less balance. You should really give Ubers try, you won't be disappointed.

This thread is a place to discuss the metagame and to post any ideas you have or creative sets. I will ad any sets that I think are good enough to merit display. It is also home to any

Rules:

1)The decisions on which sets to display are ENTIRELY up to me. I will read every set suggested and make the decision that I feel appropriate.
2)Always test a set before you post it. I will also test sets that I believe deserve a second look.
3)Don't just post the set. Add comments or even logs.
4)Your set doesn't have to be completely original it just has to be out of the ordinary.
5)Do not post anything not related to Ubers.
6)Don't be afraid to post questions. I will most likely have a FAQ section in the OP.
7)Have Fun!

I will start by posting a very useful set of an oft overlooked pokemon in Ubers:

Heatran @ Choice Specs
Modest/Quiet / Flash Fire
252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 HP
~ Fire Blast/Overheat
~ Flamethrower
~ Dragon Pulse
~ HP: Grass/Earth Power/Explosion

Heatran has several things going for it in ubers.

1)Auto-Sun: Groudon who is a good uber in his own right can also provide sun to boost the power of Heatran's Fire moves.
2)Plenty of opportunities for a Flash Fire boost: Flamethrower and Will-O-Wisp and other fire moves are pretty common in ubers and Specs Heatran in the sun with a Flash Fire boost is truly scary.
3)Resistances to Ice and Dragon: Ice and Dragon are common attacking types in Ubers and Heatran's natural bulk allows him to switch into these attacks and do some serious damage.

Just to show you the power of Specstran I'll give you a calc:

Specs, Modest, 252 SpAtk, Flash Fire boosted, Heatran using Overheat in the sun against 4 HP/252 SpDef Blissey - 75.5% - 88.8%

Yeah that's right Heatran in a very possible situation has a chance to OHKO Blissey after SR. With 3 layers of Spikes its guaranteed. Specstran is that much of a beast.

The main problem with Heatran is Kyogre. Hidden Power: Grass can do a good amount but Kyogre brings rain which halves the power of Heatran's fire attacks and is extremely bulky. As such it is a good idea to pack a Kyogre counter, such as Lati@s, on your team if you are running specstran.
Other good partners include:

Groudon (absolutely necessary for Auto-Sun), Forretress (Lures Fire type moves, Entry Hazards + Rapid Spin), Wobbuffet (Can deal with Blissey with the Tickle and Pursuit combo, also beats scarfkia and the like), and Scizor (Pursuits Blissey after its tickled, Lures Fire type attacks).

Give Specstran a try, you won't regret it.



Annnnddddd........GO!

PROTIP: YOU ARE MUCH MORE BELIEVABLE IF YOU TEST YOUR SETS/PROVIDE CALCS:

 

[Riddle]

Reserved. I hope I need it

 

[mood4food77]

parasect@leftovers
Adamant/Dry Skin
248/156/96/8 (HP/SP.DEF/DEF/ATK)
Spore
Stun Spore
X-Scissor/Seed Bomb
Aromatherapy/Light Screen/X-Scissor

this thing is a tank in Ubers play, it counters the living hell out of Kyogre (absorbs water spout and is almost 5HKO'd by thunder)

of course fire moves are it's bane but kyogre takes care of that quite well
this thing is a force to be reckoned with in Ubers and should be used more

 

[kirbyraeg]

speaking of that...

Ubers Rain Stall.

Kyogre (leads with rain, lum+water spout could work nicely to beat darkrai)
Toxicroak (toxic+subpunch. heals in rain, could run life orb for power or leftovers to offset health loss in sun. encore/sucker punch are other good options here)
Parasect (sleep, beats enemy kyogre and scares psychics with x-scissor)
Scizor (runs sd/bp/bug bite/baton pass)
Palkia (scarfed revenge killer). could run wobbuffet in this spot also to give setup for rayquaza late-game.
Rayquaza (SD extremespeed)

It sounds pretty **** good on paper, lol, but I'm not familiar with the uber metagame so perhaps somebody could comment on that.

 

[Gates]

I had the most success in Ubers with a Salamence+Rayquaza team. For those who don't know, the concept of this team is basically that Salamence serves as a second faster but slightly weaker Rayquaza. The problem with the team is that you are effectively running 5 pokemon. However, its the team I had the most success with in Ubers.

I'll post specific sets tomorrow but generally it was:

Lead Deoxys-S (Taunt, SR, Spikes, filler move)
DD Salamence (different EVs from OU Salamence but same basic idea, uses Life Orb, DD, Outrage, Fire Blast, EQ)
DD Rayquaza (DD, Overheat, Outrage, Earthquake)
Tickle Wobbuffet (The best kind)
Expert Belt Mixed Dialga (Can't remember exactly what it ran, but I know it had Brick Break and a dragon attack)
Trapper Scizor (Pursuit, Roost, U-Turn, Bullet Punch)

In other words, a standard team for MenceQuaza, but quite effective. Looking back, the only thing I'm unsure of is Dialga since he underperformed more than the rest.

@ Kirbyraeg - Chesto is actually better against Darkrai than Lum Berry since many lead Darkrais are trickscarfers and one of the best ways to deal with Darkrai is to paralyze him. Thus, if he tricks you with Lum Berry he'll be safe from whatever status you try to throw at him whereas with Chesto he's only free from sleep.

 

[Circa]

Heatran @ Choice Specs
Modest / Flash Fire
252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 HP
~ Fire Blast/Overheat
~ Flamethrower
~ Dragon Pulse
~ HP: Grass/Earth Power/Explosion

You should also mention Quiet in the event that you decide to run Explosion in the last slot. Just thought I'd say that.

I'll try and help as much as I can, but as I said in the AIM message I sent you this morning, I basically forgot everything about the metagame somehow within the last couple of weeks. Taking a hiatus can really blow, y'know? Sooooo, I'll try to study it a whole bunch again here in the next week, and then I'll hopefully get back into it more officially than I am right now. Plus my luck will hopefully change. Idk.

Part of me almost feels like posting the Giratina set I used against you, but it's sadly outclassed by Mewtwo's physically bulky set in a lot of regards (such as not being Wobbuffet bait).

 

[Mew2King]

A wild MewtwoKing appeared

 

[Mew2King]

MewtwoKing used teleport


You had your chance you missed it

 

[Gates]

Gates used Swallow.
It's super effective!

 

[UltiMario]

MewtwoKing used teleport


You had your chance you missed it

DAMMIT

SO CLOSE.

I'll trap you with my Wobbuffet next time >:O

 

[Gates]

Speaking of Wobbuffet, here's that team I was talking about.

Tekkaman Blade (Deoxys-e) @ Lum Berry
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 Atk/252 Spd/4 SDef
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Spikes
- Stealth Rock
- Superpower
- Taunt
---
Harley Quinn (Salamence) (F) @ Life Orb
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake
- Flamethrower
- Outrage
---
The Joker (Rayquaza) @ Life Orb
Ability: Air Lock
EVs: 32 HP/252 Atk/224 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake
- Outrage
- Overheat
---
lol XD (Wobbuffet) (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Shadow Tag
EVs: 28 HP/228 Def/252 SDef
Calm nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Tickle
- Encore
- Counter
- Mirror Coat
---
Iron Man (Dialga) @ Expert Belt
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 120 HP/136 Atk/252 SAtk
Hasty nature (+Spd, -Def)
- Draco Meteor
- Brick Break
- Thunder
- Fire Blast
---
War Machine (Scizor) (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Technician
EVs: 176 HP/100 Atk/232 SDef
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Bullet Punch
- Pursuit
- Roost
- U-turn
---

Most of it is standard. I think Wobbuffet orifinally had 252 HP but I ended up going back to the current set because it's just better.

What I really want an opinion on is Dialga. I'm really unsure if running Dialga was the right choice on this team since in retrospect it didn't do that much for the team. The moveset is also questionable imo. If I were to rebuild this team I would consider a Bulk Up Dialga with either Chesto Berry, Occa Berry, or Fighting Power Reducer Berry.

 

[mood4food77]

if i play ubers, here is what i'm using:

Deoxys-S@Focus Sash
Jolly
252/252/6 (ATK/SPE/DEF)
Stealth Rock
Taunt
Spikes
Extreme Speed

Standard lead for Ubers, SR is important, spikes help, taunt makes it so he isn't statused, extreme speed just so he can attack. Not much more to say

Now here's where the fun starts

Kyogre@Choice Specs
Timid
252/252/6 (SP.ATK/SPE/HP)
Thunder
Surf
Ice Beam
Water Spout

Standard specs Kyogre. Hits stuff hard. You know what it does.

Groudon@Life Orb
Adamant
252/136/112/10 (ATK/SPE/HP/DEF)
Rock Polish
Earthquake
Overheat
Dragon Claw

Kyogre and Groudon on the same set? Yea, it's going to mess with so many people's head, it'll cause explosions. Overheat so it has a fire attack to play with in the sun. Yay!

Tyranitar@Choice Scarf
Jolly
252/252/6 (ATK/SPE/HP)
Stone Edge
Crunch
Earthquake
Pursuit

Scarftar is great in Ubers. Revenge kills a bunch of stuff. Oh and he also messes with the weather, more fun to me.

Rayquaza@Life Orb
Jolly
252/216/32/10 (ATK/SPE/HP/SP.DEF)
Dragon Dance
Outrage
Earthquake
Overheat

MORE WEATHER SHENANIGANS!!! Yea, he removes them all, dragon dances and wrecks ****. He's a beast and he just looks awesome.

and finally

Abomasnow@Choice Scarf
Hasty
252/140/116 (SPE/ATK/SP.ATK)
Blizzard
Wood Hammer
Earthquake
HP Fire

Of course, since I have to keep my weather mind-****ing scheme going, I go with Abomasnow. He completes the weather change and he's a friggen snowman for crying out loud, what's not to like.

I know it's not a good team, but it's supposed to be so mind numbingly annoying, that opponents' heads will GO BOOM!!

 

[Circa]

Gates used Swallow.
It's super effective!

How many times exactly have you done that to him? Because I know of the once back in like, October or something. I was there to see it.

EDIT: I'm planning on testing out Specs Shaymin-S (and possibly LO Shaymin-S as well, although losing health while Flinch haxing seems very stupid) some time soon and seeing if there's some reason why no one uses it. Because as of right now I can't see any, as it makes Air Slash even more ****ing ridiculous and Seed Flare gets the OHKO on Kyogre that I always wished it had.

M4F, your team makes no ****ing sense. And if it were annoying it'd have stuff like Wobbuffet, Physical Wall Mewtwo, SubSeed Shaymin-S, ScarfRachi, and probably Giratina-O and Forretress to top it off and let it run smoothly.

 

[mood4food77]

it's a complete joke...

i'm just using the 5 big weather pokemon

but 100% accuracy STAB blizzard in Ubers does sound pretty fun (so many dragon pokes in Ubers)

 

[kirbyraeg]

Speaking of Wobbuffet, here's that team I was talking about.

Tekkaman Blade (Deoxys-e) @ Lum Berry
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 Atk/252 Spd/4 SDef
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Spikes
- Stealth Rock
- Superpower
- Taunt
---
Harley Quinn (Salamence) (F) @ Life Orb
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake
- Flamethrower
- Outrage
---
The Joker (Rayquaza) @ Life Orb
Ability: Air Lock
EVs: 32 HP/252 Atk/224 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake
- Outrage
- Overheat
---
lol XD (Wobbuffet) (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Shadow Tag
EVs: 28 HP/228 Def/252 SDef
Calm nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Tickle
- Encore
- Counter
- Mirror Coat
---
Iron Man (Dialga) @ Expert Belt
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 120 HP/136 Atk/252 SAtk
Hasty nature (+Spd, -Def)
- Draco Meteor
- Brick Break
- Thunder
- Fire Blast
---
War Machine (Scizor) (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Technician
EVs: 176 HP/100 Atk/232 SDef
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Bullet Punch
- Pursuit
- Roost
- U-turn
---

Most of it is standard. I think Wobbuffet orifinally had 252 HP but I ended up going back to the current set because it's just better.

What I really want an opinion on is Dialga. I'm really unsure if running Dialga was the right choice on this team since in retrospect it didn't do that much for the team. The moveset is also questionable imo. If I were to rebuild this team I would consider a Bulk Up Dialga with either Chesto Berry, Occa Berry, or Fighting Power Reducer Berry.

Nothing wrong with mixed dialga, but it really doesn't seem like it does much for you other than giving you something that can also be swept by a CM Lati@s. I think groudon would go better in that spot though just because of one simple reason: the rain set up by kyogre helps defend steels. Groudon's sun lets you torch them and then sweep with outrage. Thematically an RP groudon would probably work nicely as well just so you could eliminate revengers to mence/quaza while still trying to give yourself some extra speed to help outspeed your major, MAJOR ice weakness...that's the only real weakness with the mence/quaza strat, you'll get rocked hard by any kind of scarfed ice attack/ice prority. Wobbuffet covers its weakness to scarfers while also giving it an opportunity to set up.

 

[Circa]

it's a complete joke...

i'm just using the 5 big weather pokemon

but 100% accuracy STAB blizzard in Ubers does sound pretty fun (so many dragon pokes in Ubers)

I know it's a joke, but it's a bad one at best imo.

 

[mood4food77]

real men don't use wobbuffet

 

[Gates]

How many times exactly have you done that to him? Because I know of the once back in like, October or something. I was there to see it.

Twice. Once in pools and once in friendlies. It was only recorded once.

but 100% accuracy STAB blizzard in Ubers does sound pretty fun (so many dragon pokes in Ubers)

That's the best case for Abomasnow I've ever seen.

Nothing wrong with mixed dialga, but it really doesn't seem like it does much for you other than giving you something that can also be swept by a CM Lati@s. I think groudon would go better in that spot though just because of one simple reason: the rain set up by kyogre helps defend steels. Groudon's sun lets you torch them and then sweep with outrage. Thematically an RP groudon would probably work nicely as well just so you could eliminate revengers to mence/quaza while still trying to give yourself some extra speed to help outspeed your major, MAJOR ice weakness...that's the only real weakness with the mence/quaza strat, you'll get rocked hard by any kind of scarfed ice attack/ice prority. Wobbuffet covers its weakness to scarfers while also giving it an opportunity to set up.

I generally eschew Groudon on teams with Scizor because of sun. Also, with a major, MAJOR Ice weakness like you said, why add something else that's weak onto the team?

Anyway, I'll think about it.

 

[kirbyraeg]

I generally eschew Groudon on teams with Scizor because of sun. Also, with a major, MAJOR Ice weakness like you said, why add something else that's weak onto the team?

Anyway, I'll think about it.

The only reason I suggested it was just because the mence+quaza strategy really is a form of heavy offense designed to shred apart the other team and overwhelm their dragon checks by running them together. Sun-boosted fire attacks are the one real thing that will remove specially-defensive steels found in ubers, as non-stab EQ won't be enough to remove them from your path (lots of steel types are very physically defensive or aren't weak to ground like scizor and forrey). Groudon is really just there as a weather-changer, nothing more, which is why you can afford to be haphazard with him anyway

 

[mood4food77]

abomasnow does have a higher base speed than tyranitar but it cannot dish out as much damage

but he does learn some pretty high powerful moves, maybe running a set like this:

Abomasnow@Choice Scarf
Hasty
252/140/116 (SPE/SP.ATK/ATK)
Blizzard
Wood Hammer/Grass Knot
Earthquake/Focus Punch/Outrage/HP fire
Shadow Ball

He hits 360 speed, which is 1 lower than positive based 115s with full SPE EVs, which is okay i guess, he can revenge kill garchomp no problem

With this set, he can hit almost every uber poke for SE damage (Ho-oh is the exception and that's okay, it gets owned by SR and takes a decent sized hit from Blizzard on the switch in)

the difference between Wood Hammer and Grass Knot is who you want to hit harder, Groudon or Kyogre (as both are base 180 when taking weight and STAB into account), it's just preference

Earthquake and Focus Punch hit steel types who would otherwise resist the first two moves for SE damage. Focus Punch is stronger but Earthquake is more reliable as it doesn't require a switch to be effective (but do remember, abomasnow revenge kills some pokes pretty well), outrage is usable because of all the dragon types but since blizzard is already there, it's coverage is redundant (it is however the only move that hits both kingdra and palkia for SE damage, keep that in mind). HP fire gets those non-heatran steel types who try to switch in on abomasnow (like scizor)

Shadow Ball hits all those pesky psychic types for SE damage

he can make a good revenge killer in Ubers due to his FANTASTIC type coverage (i never realized how good it was, especially since he hits so many things for SE damage), too bad his speed isn't that great nor is his natural attack strength but don't just take him for granted, all of these moves have good base power and can put a hurting on any poke who comes in

 

[Charmander]

speaking of that...

Ubers Rain Stall.

Kyogre (leads with rain, lum+water spout could work nicely to beat darkrai)
Toxicroak (toxic+subpunch. heals in rain, could run life orb for power or leftovers to offset health loss in sun. encore/sucker punch are other good options here)
Parasect (sleep, beats enemy kyogre and scares psychics with x-scissor)
Scizor (runs sd/bp/bug bite/baton pass)
Palkia (scarfed revenge killer). could run wobbuffet in this spot also to give setup for rayquaza late-game.
Rayquaza (SD extremespeed)

It sounds pretty **** good on paper, lol, but I'm not familiar with the uber metagame so perhaps somebody could comment on that.

Needs moar kngdra!
And scizor groudon can be bad, but thats what u-turning to heatran is for

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Kingdra can't stall, Charmander. Unless it's behind a Substitute.

-Terywj

 

[Charmander]

Kingdra can't stall, Charmander. Unless it's behind a Substitute.

-Terywj

I was implying a subdra

 

[Riddle]

I'm going to test out a team with:

Kyogre
Parasect
Palkia
Giratina-O
Forretress
Support Dialga

to see how well parasect does. Results tonight probably.

I think the combination of many weather changers as well as the very high speed in ubers make choice scarf abomasnow not viable. Its simply outclassed by Palkia or Dialga or the tiers multitude of other Scarfers.

Kingdra doesn't fit a stall team format at all really. Rain-offense yes, Rain-stall no.

Quiet was added to the Specstran set.

EDIT: Tery needs to get on AIM.

 

[mood4food77]

but abomasnow has one thing over any poke in Ubers, a perfect blizzard, which in ubers is amazing, I'm actually gonna try him out on monday

 

[supermarth64]

You should also mention Quiet in the event that you decide to run Explosion in the last slot. Just thought I'd say that.

You mean Eruption, not Explosion (lol that would suck if it were Explosion)

Speaking of Wobbuffet, here's that team I was talking about.

Tekkaman Blade (Deoxys-e) @ Lum Berry
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 Atk/252 Spd/4 SDef
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Spikes
- Stealth Rock
- Superpower
- Taunt
---
Harley Quinn (Salamence) (F) @ Life Orb
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake
- Flamethrower
- Outrage
---
The Joker (Rayquaza) @ Life Orb
Ability: Air Lock
EVs: 32 HP/252 Atk/224 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake
- Outrage
- Overheat
---
lol XD (Wobbuffet) (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Shadow Tag
EVs: 28 HP/228 Def/252 SDef
Calm nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Tickle
- Encore
- Counter
- Mirror Coat
---
Iron Man (Dialga) @ Expert Belt
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 120 HP/136 Atk/252 SAtk
Hasty nature (+Spd, -Def)
- Draco Meteor
- Brick Break
- Thunder
- Fire Blast
---
War Machine (Scizor) (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Technician
EVs: 176 HP/100 Atk/232 SDef
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Bullet Punch
- Pursuit
- Roost
- U-turn
---

Most of it is standard. I think Wobbuffet orifinally had 252 HP but I ended up going back to the current set because it's just better.

What I really want an opinion on is Dialga. I'm really unsure if running Dialga was the right choice on this team since in retrospect it didn't do that much for the team. The moveset is also questionable imo. If I were to rebuild this team I would consider a Bulk Up Dialga with either Chesto Berry, Occa Berry, or Fighting Power Reducer Berry.

Might want to try Flamethrower Mewtwo over Dialga, as Mewtwo lures in Scizor easily and can kill it, preventing Scizor from revenge killing later. Try Flamethrower / Aura Sphere / Ice Beam / Selfdestruct, Hasty, I forget EVs.

Also, I see no use for Superpower on Deo-S. You might as well continue laying up Spikes in front of Dialga, and you're not staying in on Darkrai either. You might want to go with Fire Punch instead in order to 2KO Forretress so it can only set up 1 layer of entry hazards or Rapid Spin yours away. Your choice, as Stealth Rock will severly hurt Salamence/Rayquaza.

speaking of that...

Ubers Rain Stall.

Kyogre (leads with rain, lum+water spout could work nicely to beat darkrai)
Toxicroak (toxic+subpunch. heals in rain, could run life orb for power or leftovers to offset health loss in sun. encore/sucker punch are other good options here)
Parasect (sleep, beats enemy kyogre and scares psychics with x-scissor)
Scizor (runs sd/bp/bug bite/baton pass)
Palkia (scarfed revenge killer). could run wobbuffet in this spot also to give setup for rayquaza late-game.
Rayquaza (SD extremespeed)

It sounds pretty **** good on paper, lol, but I'm not familiar with the uber metagame so perhaps somebody could comment on that.

Rain stall NEEDS Ludicolo, no doubt. Also, Parasect sorta sucks now, as its time has went as gone, which isn't that great anymore. Forretressw ould be more useful in order to Rapid Spin away entry hazards and help set up Toxic Spikes and Stealth Rock, as your team lacks it.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Ludicolo is ridiculous under the rain, at least it looks that way. Substitute+Leech Seed, while Leftovers+Rain Dish+Leech recovers. It can even use Swords Dance possibly on the same set.

I'm all theorymon here.

-Terywj

 

[Circa]

You mean Eruption, not Explosion (lol that would suck if it were Explosion)

He posted Specs Heatran. You don't give Eruption to Specs Heatran. :\ I said Explosion, because in Ubers Heatran will need all the power he can get from the Explosion to KO stuff. I know this first-hand, as I once missed a KO against Ho-Oh by one ****ing percent. And I was running Quiet.

That is kinda weird though. A quiet explosion I mean.

Also, I'm too lazy to send this to Riddle in PM, but if he reads this he needs to know that I won't be on for another battle when he comes back. I'm going to Red Robin for dinner here soon. <.< So sorry about that. D:

I <3 my Specs Shaymin-S team, even if Shaymin-S couldn't do **** against Riddle's teams (**** YOU WOBBUFFET! *shakes fist*). It's fun. :3

 

[Riddle]

Haha Writer Kupo and I are best ubers buddies

 

[Pink Reaper]

I'd just like to point out how ridiculous the idea of "Creative Uber Movesets" is.

In a metagame where there exists a 150 SpAtk pokemon that auto sets up rain and has a 150 Base Power STAB move, you dont need to be creative, because you 2HKO the pokemon that are supposed to wall you.

 

[Gates]

The only reason I suggested it was just because the mence+quaza strategy really is a form of heavy offense designed to shred apart the other team and overwhelm their dragon checks by running them together. Sun-boosted fire attacks are the one real thing that will remove specially-defensive steels found in ubers, as non-stab EQ won't be enough to remove them from your path (lots of steel types are very physically defensive or aren't weak to ground like scizor and forrey). Groudon is really just there as a weather-changer, nothing more, which is why you can afford to be haphazard with him anyway

That's a good point. Having good type coverage isn't important when you can just kill things.

Might want to try Flamethrower Mewtwo over Dialga, as Mewtwo lures in Scizor easily and can kill it, preventing Scizor from revenge killing later. Try Flamethrower / Aura Sphere / Ice Beam / Selfdestruct, Hasty, I forget EVs.

That's another interesting option that I'll consider. Thanks and I think I can guess the EVs.

Also, I see no use for Superpower on Deo-S. You might as well continue laying up Spikes in front of Dialga, and you're not staying in on Darkrai either. You might want to go with Fire Punch instead in order to 2KO Forretress so it can only set up 1 layer of entry hazards or Rapid Spin yours away. Your choice, as Stealth Rock will severly hurt Salamence/Rayquaza.

It has come in on Darkrai in the past, but yeah I have better solutions for it on my team. Fire Punch is a very good idea, but Fire Blast or Flamethrower would be even better. If only Deoxys actually learned those moves.

**** YOU WOBBUFFET! *shakes fist*

lol u mad

I'd just like to point out how ridiculous the idea of "Creative Uber Movesets" is.

In a metagame where there exists a 150 SpAtk pokemon that auto sets up rain and has a 150 Base Power STAB move, you dont need to be creative, because you 2HKO the pokemon that are supposed to wall you.

He's got us there. In Ubers a creative moveset is like "omg you put 4 def on your mewtwo".

 

[Riddle]

I'd just like to point out how ridiculous the idea of "Creative Uber Movesets" is.

In a metagame where there exists a 150 SpAtk pokemon that auto sets up rain and has a 150 Base Power STAB move, you dont need to be creative, because you 2HKO the pokemon that are supposed to wall you.

You need to be creative to stop it . Ubers is full of tons of things that don't seem like they would be threats. Ludicolo, Parasect, Primeape. Tons of random things are viable in ubers. The Smog just ran an article about things that are cool to use in ubers. If you don't like the idea of the thread than don't post here or read it. There's no point criticizing it.

Edit: Double Post moved half the post down to the second post >.>

 

[Riddle]

but abomasnow has one thing over any poke in Ubers, a perfect blizzard, which in ubers is amazing, I'm actually gonna try him out on monday

The problem with that Abomasnow set is that its completely outclassed by stuff like Specs Mewtwo.

Mewtwo @ Choice Specs
Pressure / Timid
252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 HP
~ Ice Beam
~ Thunder
~ Aura Sphere
~ Shadow Ball

Specs Mewtwo has a more powerful special ice attack then abomasnow, is faster, hits harder, AND is more bulky.

There's not really anything that Scarf Abomasnow does better except set up hail. Which, with all the auto-weather inducers in ubers, doesn't even count for that much.

EDIT: Muk I double posted. Oh well I'll move the second part down here.

 

[Gates]

kirbyraeg, you were totally right about Groudon on my team. It's amazing. I really like having more than 1 answer to Lugia on my team now since that completely walled me before.

 

[kirbyraeg]

I should make an ubers team sometime...lots of fun to be had with that

 

[Gates]

I should make an Ubers stall team sometime...lots of gayness to be had with that.

 

[kirbyraeg]

Oh, I actually think I posted this up in some other thread, but with ubers stall...how's this for a novelty?

Giratina @ Leftovers
248 HP/244 Def/16 Spe
Impish nature

Gravity
Roar
Rest
Sleep Talk

You do just fine until you drag in by force something with taunt to make the strategy useless, but at that point it'll be weakened severely by your massive layers of entry hazards. RestTalk lets you not die...usually. This set is total taunt bait, but that's what stuff like ho-oh is for, amirite? Just to deal with crap like physically defensive mewtwo that's cropped up recently while scaring it off with high-powered physical attacks.

 

[Riddle]

As you said taunt is an obvious problem with this set. Another problem is how common ridiculously powerful special attackers are. That seems like it would work well with Blissey and something that can beat common taunters such as Mewtwo. Maybe Scarf Kyogre?

 

[Gates]

You also say that the set is designed to support the use of a lor of entry hazards, but how do you plan to get those entry hazards out? Depending on what you use, you'll have to plan around the weaknesses of it.

 

[kirbyraeg]

I think a standard combo of forrey/deoxys/groudon would work fine here just because with gravity being abused spikes hurt everything and toxic spikes would be able to hit every non-steel on the other team. groudon also gets to throw his stab earthquake around and hurt levitators, which could almost make a choice band set viable simply because ground gains excellent type coverage when it also hits flying-types and levitators. All of the pokemon you'd expect on an ubers stall team can all also learn gravity except groudon, and there are no real poison types used in ubers that would absorb spikes. Time for full theorymon, I'll post it in an rmt thread.