earthadept
Smash Lord
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3gPwtRXypc
Yes, I know I played terribly. That's why I made this thread. haha
Yes, I know I played terribly. That's why I made this thread. haha
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Trying to get better... (critique me plz ^_^)
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SonuvaBeach
Smash Lord
Yo! I'll point out a lot of mistakes that happened, intentional or unintentional. Work on wavelands, and overall speed of your sheik. Being able to use needles from the platforms, and jump WD back to B-air etc. has helped my game a lot because it is much less predictable.
0:41 - He read your off the ledge fair and punished it with his fair. You repeated the same thing and almost got punished the same exact way. Try not to be predictable off the ledge
1:19 - Should have B-air'd as you got onto the stage and got him off. Then edgeguarded accordingly.
1:28, 1:31 - charged d-smash what?! ha I'm sure I don't need to say, don't do random charged smashes. I loved the days when people ran into them, but they are over
. Especially against ally! lol
1:50 - should have shot those needles to give you more time to set up an edgeguard, or just for more damage
1:51 - d-smash doesn't work as a great marth edgeguard really IMO. Most marths sweetspot or you get hit and they don't. Or they luckily trade hits and the marth lives and you can't get to the ledge again to re-guard. I often hang out closer to the ledge and if they come too close either WD off Bair, jump out bair, or jump of the ledge and bair them away. I still need work on marth edgeguarding though.
1:57 - Go for the sweet spot if you know you can get it. They can't punish a sweetspot nearly as easily as they can you up-bing on the stage. I would have came in a little lower and if he held the edge then up b'd onto the platform if I didn't think he'd hold it. You came in really high and it was obvious you weren't going to sweetspot, allowing him to read you and jump onto the stage and punish accordingly. They shouldn't be able to make that read so easily, they should guess between sweetspot and on stage until the second you disappear. His guess was only on ground, or on platform, luckily for you he guessed on ground and only got a nair instead of a f-smash.
For the most part it just seems you need to learn the match up a lot better. You kept trying to do things against Marth that do not work against him. You also came off the edge with f-air a LOT and after he started punishing you, you did it again lol. I do this often too and the same happens, but try to vary up the ways you come off the edge more. You also have WD on, jump, roll, tap on, and shino stall. Work on edgeguarding Marth. Work on quickness. Work on predictability.
My favorite matches that taught me this matchup are the KDJ vs M2K from MLG. Watch KDJ's sheik and how he edgeguards m2k. How he changes things up, how he approaches various ways, etc. I still watch them at least every other week and have been for like a year just because KDJ is that good. lol.
Good luck bro, hopefully I'll see you at some bi-weeklies soon!
0:41 - He read your off the ledge fair and punished it with his fair. You repeated the same thing and almost got punished the same exact way. Try not to be predictable off the ledge
1:19 - Should have B-air'd as you got onto the stage and got him off. Then edgeguarded accordingly.
1:28, 1:31 - charged d-smash what?! ha I'm sure I don't need to say, don't do random charged smashes. I loved the days when people ran into them, but they are over
. Especially against ally! lol1:50 - should have shot those needles to give you more time to set up an edgeguard, or just for more damage
1:51 - d-smash doesn't work as a great marth edgeguard really IMO. Most marths sweetspot or you get hit and they don't. Or they luckily trade hits and the marth lives and you can't get to the ledge again to re-guard. I often hang out closer to the ledge and if they come too close either WD off Bair, jump out bair, or jump of the ledge and bair them away. I still need work on marth edgeguarding though.
1:57 - Go for the sweet spot if you know you can get it. They can't punish a sweetspot nearly as easily as they can you up-bing on the stage. I would have came in a little lower and if he held the edge then up b'd onto the platform if I didn't think he'd hold it. You came in really high and it was obvious you weren't going to sweetspot, allowing him to read you and jump onto the stage and punish accordingly. They shouldn't be able to make that read so easily, they should guess between sweetspot and on stage until the second you disappear. His guess was only on ground, or on platform, luckily for you he guessed on ground and only got a nair instead of a f-smash.
For the most part it just seems you need to learn the match up a lot better. You kept trying to do things against Marth that do not work against him. You also came off the edge with f-air a LOT and after he started punishing you, you did it again lol. I do this often too and the same happens, but try to vary up the ways you come off the edge more. You also have WD on, jump, roll, tap on, and shino stall. Work on edgeguarding Marth. Work on quickness. Work on predictability.
My favorite matches that taught me this matchup are the KDJ vs M2K from MLG. Watch KDJ's sheik and how he edgeguards m2k. How he changes things up, how he approaches various ways, etc. I still watch them at least every other week and have been for like a year just because KDJ is that good. lol.
Good luck bro, hopefully I'll see you at some bi-weeklies soon!
MarkLoo
Smash Ace
shouldve gone for randall on your last stock
earthadept
Smash Lord
wow thanks for that in depth response tremor, haha. i'll try and be less predictable
SonuvaBeach
Smash Lord
Yeaaaaaaaaaaa. Maybe some actual good sheik's will jump in and give you some real tips seeing as my sheik isn't great. I just watched the vid and pointed out mistakes, which is easy. Really though, coming off the edge with fair is <3 until you get punished hard. I know this well. Because I love it so much I do f-air's in the invinciframes and then ledge regrab. A little less punishable than landing on stage. And lets you think of what other way your gonna get on the stage besides fair.
Oh, I forgot to tell you I like your sheik because you do sheik combo's better than I do
. I suck with nair. And that d-tilt, f-tilt, upsmash was sex and I need to do those.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Just shino stall a bunch and then do a standard get up most of the time from the edge, or ledgedash if you can. Ledgehop Fair backwards is good if they get really close to the edge because then you just regrab edge.
Ledgehop needles and Fair are backups to passive get-ups. It's better to be passive most of the time from the edge.
Don't F-tilt Marth's shield. He can usually punish it. Do D-tilt from really far away (just so you tip his shield with your foot).
If they recover low like Marth (or Fox / Peach sometimes) just grab the edge and time an invincible Bair / Nair and then keep doing that. Edgestall to renew invincibility, wait for him to do his sideB crap. If he's going to try to sweetspot and he goes super low, just wait for him to do it and kill himself because you'll be invincible.
Or, against Marth low recovery, do the lightshield edgehog. Roll to the edge so your back's turned and then hold away from the stage lightly (don't roll) with lightshield. If he comes up, you will grab edge even if he sweetspots well. From there, he either dies or lands on the stage and then you can get up and grab him or ledgehop Dair or whatever you feel like.
DI better. You died at 75 twice. I know, Yoshi's, but you should live longer.
Don't get so close when you're doing tilts. Be further back.
Ledgehop needles and Fair are backups to passive get-ups. It's better to be passive most of the time from the edge.
Don't F-tilt Marth's shield. He can usually punish it. Do D-tilt from really far away (just so you tip his shield with your foot).
If they recover low like Marth (or Fox / Peach sometimes) just grab the edge and time an invincible Bair / Nair and then keep doing that. Edgestall to renew invincibility, wait for him to do his sideB crap. If he's going to try to sweetspot and he goes super low, just wait for him to do it and kill himself because you'll be invincible.
Or, against Marth low recovery, do the lightshield edgehog. Roll to the edge so your back's turned and then hold away from the stage lightly (don't roll) with lightshield. If he comes up, you will grab edge even if he sweetspots well. From there, he either dies or lands on the stage and then you can get up and grab him or ledgehop Dair or whatever you feel like.
DI better. You died at 75 twice. I know, Yoshi's, but you should live longer.
Don't get so close when you're doing tilts. Be further back.
soap
Smash Hero
omg forward throw to dair >.>
never seen that before.
is that ally the amazing snake player?
u did okay, u hang around on the tipper floor too much. dont stay on platforms, u can use them to space, but its like u get on then off real quick with moves. If they get under u that is bad news
never seen that before.
is that ally the amazing snake player?
u did okay, u hang around on the tipper floor too much. dont stay on platforms, u can use them to space, but its like u get on then off real quick with moves. If they get under u that is bad news
soap
Smash Hero
ya u fair way too much off the ledge
ally needs lo learn to fsmash that, u would learn quicker.
he was being nice by just slapping u back with his sword
ally needs lo learn to fsmash that, u would learn quicker.
he was being nice by just slapping u back with his sword
MarkLoo
Smash Ace
yea thats ally from brawl
earthadept
Smash Lord
I think I was pretty nervous this match... johns
yo, play me at GYCO
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your reading/mindgames could use a lot of work in general. from what i saw you shouldn't have lost to that marf. you were extremely predictable in your recovery specifically, and you should be mixing up whether you recover high or low and keep your opponent guessing.
earthadept
Smash Lord
yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees
btw, why do people keep calling it GYCO? i'm confuzed