Tranquility - Game Over

[YOLOSWAG]

So dar we have accomplished very little today we need to go and scumhunt.

 

[YOLOSWAG]

now that i got my karthik king impression out the way, i mean i'm down with just hardbodying shenanidumbness out the game, for making me have to read the same question and answer three times

like are you kidding me doe

get that **** outta my face

also throwing this out here now if i catch you slippin bae best believe imma be in dat ass

 

[YOLOSWAG]

JTB: Will you be active ?
- If you aren't, imma lynch you, k ?
- You town ?

wow so helpful, you're going to lynch him

how.. what thread weight did you have bside trying to appear townie

i mean i hate calling out the activity policing more often then not because every bad townie thinks thats how playing townie at the beginning is done but like you didnt have any weight to this at all

 

[YOLOSWAG]

i look at it this way

if youre going to me some sort of lame ass activity police post just like every townie has to do at the beginning tell em straight out what that policy is youre not doing anything with this

be like imma keep my vote on you if your account is inactive

imma bring you up every day you coast

imma get on that ass if i see you make more then ten posts without a vote and some reasoning

all three of those are better then you just sitting on your thumb on some too townie bull****

 

[Dooms]

I don't see scum in shen or soup. I dislike shen more than soup, but I don't see why shen would put himself that far out there for what seems to be a reaction test. I don't see what he'd be gaining as a scummy in this scenario. I think it is just Rake playing poorly again. Null imo.

 

[Shenanigenius]

wow so helpful, you're going to lynch him

how.. what thread weight did you have bside trying to appear townie

i mean i hate calling out the activity policing more often then not because every bad townie thinks thats how playing townie at the beginning is done but like you didnt have any weight to this at all

If you think that we were real I feel bad for you son
We got 99 problems but JTB ain't one

**** now we have to kill ourselves for making a rhyme...

 

[Circus]

jokative

 

[YOLOSWAG]

I feel that it's fluff because it was unnecessary to post. If you hadn't posted it, nothing would be different right now, except I wouldn't be asking you about it.





Your 51#, 52#, 54#, 56#, 60#, and #65 are doing what you said you're doing in your 65# (trying ot get out of RVS). I don't think it's too hard to see.

Which makes your 66# feels out of place to me. You were doing your thing just fine, so why even bother posting that? No one was bothering or questioning you about your actions except the slot you were trying to get a reaction from, so from my perspective, #65 is an unnecessary post lacking town intent up until the last sentence, and even then, it seems like, as Shenanigenius put it, a "Safe" way to get out of RVS.

vote Soup

yo lemme learn yu right quick

you payin attention?

:thumbsdown

yu be on dat scum status son?

 

[Circus]

so legit question to everyone voting shen right now: you all played (or hosted) luigi's mansion; what's your thought process here?

I think Rake was playing to a scum-meta.

I know you're saying you were just trying to jump RVS and get a reactions, blah blah. But this is the second time you've brought this up as the catalyst for the specific way you went about doing so and I just have to ask: do you remember Luigi's Mansion? I know you were scum but it wasn't that long ago and this was the exact argument that kept coming back like a wrecking ball against Rake. "Scum meta, scum meta, scum meta." Let's all agree that Rake isn't that easy to read.

Everyone who's currently voting that slot either played or hosted Luigi's Mansion. Yolo probably just wants the slot out of here regardless, I get that. But soup, Kanty and Gorf better have something better than that moving forward. That slot is probably one of the easiest slots to fake content against in this game.

 

[YOLOSWAG]

if anyone voting shenanigenious right now is scum its bsp

 

[YOLOSWAG]

wait bsp isnt voting shenanigenious my bad

still lookin whack

 

[Circus]

why would you think he was voting shen? didn't you start disliking bsp specifically because he was siding with shen in the shen v soup situation?

 

[Circus]

feel like i wrote a tongue-twister

 

[YOLOSWAG]

i at least give shenanigenious for putting himself out there and drawing soup into a back and forth. i MIGHT be able to rationalize the slot just playing ****tily and tryna figure out soups alignment. bsps approach was nasty to me cuz he came in and attributed a scumread on soup for something that is pretty lame and hard to argue against. thats how id expect scum to approach. he put out enough to justify himself in the eyes of town but it doesnt have that...oomph to it feel me. it bein on a slot thats been jellin wit me doesnt help either. do you not see similarly?

i dunno why i thot bsp was voting shenani. subconsciously making up bull**** to throw more at my ****list slots? you be the judge

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

so legit question to everyone voting shen right now: you all played (or hosted) luigi's mansion; what's your thought process here?

I know you're saying you were just trying to jump RVS and get a reactions, blah blah. But this is the second time you've brought this up as the catalyst for the specific way you went about doing so and I just have to ask: do you remember Luigi's Mansion? I know you were scum but it wasn't that long ago and this was the exact argument that kept coming back like a wrecking ball against Rake. "Scum meta, scum meta, scum meta." Let's all agree that Rake isn't that easy to read.

Everyone who's currently voting that slot either played or hosted Luigi's Mansion. Yolo probably just wants the slot out of here regardless, I get that. But soup, Kanty and Gorf better have something better than that moving forward. That slot is probably one of the easiest slots to fake content against in this game.

There's more to it than that. That was merely something I wanted to pressure Rake on as I feel that even if that's true, it's not an excuse to just call him town. The meat of it all really is how JD responded and what he did. See what I was saying about him earlier on p3 because it summarizes how I feel about the slot in general. They're pushing me and trying to construe a reason to scum-read me, with selective wording and a defense attitude for a shallow reason. They've feigned ignorance and been unable to properly respond to me lack of reading. I have had to scream at them blue in the face about 5 times now. I really do not buy this ineptness that they're displaying right now, not even for Rake. They're intentionally being stupid because they know they got caught in a bad position, and they know that they look gross.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

I don't care whether or not it's scummy. It's a slot of rake and jditez and the first thing they did was latch onto something that wasn't scummy from soup in a stupid way. I, as a confirmed townie, am saying I want that slot gone before it becomes a liability. It's easy for scum to latch onto? Well let's not give scum an opportunity to latch into it by lynching it! Woohoo!

 

[Circus]

There's more to it than that. That was merely something I wanted to pressure Rake on as I feel that even if that's true, it's not an excuse to just call him town. The meat of it all really is how JD responded and what he did. See what I was saying about him earlier on p3 because it summarizes how I feel about the slot in general. They're pushing me and trying to construe a reason to scum-read me, with selective wording and a defense attitude for a shallow reason. They've feigned ignorance and been unable to properly respond to me lack of reading. I have had to scream at them blue in the face about 5 times now. I really do not buy this ineptness that they're displaying right now, not even for Rake. They're intentionally being stupid because they know they got caught in a bad position, and they know that they look gross.

But you could twist the way you approached them the same way. You jumped on Rake with "gross," recently disproven reasoning. You say you've had to "scream at them blue in the face." You have done that, but I would hesitate to agree that you had to. Game just started, you wanted to skip RVS, so now you have. I think you got what you wanted, so I don't see why you're already turned up to 11.

I don't know, I guess I just feel like I see where that slot's coming from. You went at Rake for participating in RVS (not a crime, and he's not the only one that did it), Dietz came in and was like "yo wtf is this" and you responded by ratcheting up the tension and saying you were just looking for a reaction and trying to nip RVS in the bud but also they're still totally scum. Looks like you just threw a punch and now you're looking for different reasons to justify it. If I were them, that's how I'd see it.

 

[Circus]

I don't care whether or not it's scummy. It's a slot of rake and jditez and the first thing they did was latch onto something that wasn't scummy from soup in a stupid way. I, as a confirmed townie, am saying I want that slot gone before it becomes a liability. It's easy for scum to latch onto? Well let's not give scum an opportunity to latch into it by lynching it! Woohoo!

Yeah except this is exactly what makes mafia so ****ty to play in the modern meta. Everyone has this "this player will be a problem for a lot of other people so we should just bury the slot regardless" mentality. Not only is that just unfair and unfun for the people who get lynched from that; it's also one of the reasons we lost Luigi's Mansion. People need to stop blaming the victim. "Everyone's going to want this slot dead the rest of the game because reasons so let's just hang it." No, let's actually try reading and persuading people and, you know, playing the game.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

There's a part of me that wants to see that, but I can't give them that benefit of doubt when this thread wouldn't be the size it is right now had they just read the thread properly. I don't believe either of them are that stupid enough to genuinely have to make me repeat myself 5 times, and the problem really is that they were snowballing a scum-read on me in the first place. Rake could never properly answer me and it bothered me. JD showed intent to dislike but never truly acted upon it, even if they were already voting me. It seems so hollow, so shallow, like they're not looking into me and they're more concerned with an image. Do you get where I'm coming from?

I also don't like BSP either like marshy does but I don't have much more other than I think his reason to vote me is stupid. Is it an intentional stupid? I don't know yet.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Yeah except this is exactly what makes mafia so ****ty to play in the modern meta. Everyone has this "this player will be a problem for a lot of other people so we should just bury the slot regardless" mentality. Not only is that just unfair and unfun for the people who get lynched from that; it's also one of the reasons we lost Luigi's Mansion. People need to stop blaming the victim. "Everyone's going to want this slot dead the rest of the game because reasons so let's just hang it." No, let's actually try reading and persuading people and, you know, playing the game.

I have to disagree with this being that if there's enough push and there's enough warranty to lynch a slot, extending the phase further isn't worth it. I'm not saying we should body Rake/JD. That's stupid. I think they're scummy now but I can't base enough with half of the players yet to post. I highly doubt I would even go through with it even then. There's a lot of question marks that surround the slot.

 

[YOLOSWAG]

thoughts on my post regarding bsp jerkus? im lovin the whiteknighting but am wondering where the bloodlust is at

 

[Circus]

There's a part of me that wants to see that, but I can't give them that benefit of doubt when this thread wouldn't be the size it is right now had they just read the thread properly. I don't believe either of them are that stupid enough to genuinely have to make me repeat myself 5 times, and the problem really is that they were snowballing a scum-read on me in the first place. Rake could never properly answer me and it bothered me. JD showed intent to dislike but never truly acted upon it, even if they were already voting me. It seems so hollow, so shallow, like they're not looking into me and they're more concerned with an image. Do you get where I'm coming from?

I do get what you're saying. I just think your whole exchange with them is null for this very reason. Everything you're saying against them can be said against you. "He's going at me with bad reasoning." "He's not actually looking into my slot; he's just posturing."

The whole thing just amounts to hot air from where I'm sitting.

i at least give shenanigenious for putting himself out there and drawing soup into a back and forth. i MIGHT be able to rationalize the slot just playing ****tily and tryna figure out soups alignment. bsps approach was nasty to me cuz he came in and attributed a scumread on soup for something that is pretty lame and hard to argue against. thats how id expect scum to approach. he put out enough to justify himself in the eyes of town but it doesnt have that...oomph to it feel me. it bein on a slot thats been jellin wit me doesnt help either. do you not see similarly?

underlined sounds good, but I think the sentence after it is key. You got a gut town read on soup in his back-and-forth with shen so BSP looks ****ty just for being on the other side of the line. Like I said above, you could say the same thing about soup. "[soups] approach was nasty to me cuz he came in and attributed a scumread on [shenani] for something that is pretty lame and hard to argue against."

BSP is fine to me. We're all just splitting down the Rake/Soup party lines right now for some reason.

 

[Circus]

To be clear, I don't have a scum read on either slot, but I am kind of whiteknighting Shen right now because I find soup's approach to him harder to relate to than Shen's reaction. Soup's play doesn't look like scum play, but it's hard for me to understand soup's rationale. Or at least why he's so full force in one direction. As a result, I can understand Shen's sort of confused and skeptical response. It looks genuine to me.

 

[YOLOSWAG]

underlined sounds good, but I think the sentence after it is key. You got a gut town read on soup in his back-and-forth with shen so BSP looks ****ty just for being on the other side of the line. Like I said above, you could say the same thing about soup. "[soups] approach was nasty to me cuz he came in and attributed a scumread on [shenani] for something that is pretty lame and hard to argue against."

no. you are seriously simplifying this **** to an unacceptable level and bsps vote needs to be highlighted

bsp doesnt look ****ty JUST for bein on the other side of the line. its HOW he came at soup. he pretty much cherrypicked one post of soups for reasons along the lines of "its fluff and unnecessary" but that smacks of overly mechanical play. soups approach was NOT different and was far more protown in nature. he voted. he pushed. he engaged in shooting down counterarguments. how you are even beginning to equicocate these two posts is utterly baffling. this is some SERIOUSLY hippy ( i do not find it scummy in itself) play here

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Yeah except this is exactly what makes mafia so ****ty to play in the modern meta. Everyone has this "this player will be a problem for a lot of other people so we should just bury the slot regardless" mentality. Not only is that just unfair and unfun for the people who get lynched from that; it's also one of the reasons we lost Luigi's Mansion. People need to stop blaming the victim. "Everyone's going to want this slot dead the rest of the game because reasons so let's just hang it." No, let's actually try reading and persuading people and, you know, playing the game.

It's just... ughh. The thing is that that is an emulation of their town meta so precisely (both of theirs from what I've seen of em recently) that it makes them almost unreadable, seeing how what they say sucks regardless of alignment and they're playing the same really bad way as I'm familiar with them playing.

It's just ughh. That's all.

 

[YOLOSWAG]

:thumbsdown:*

NOT similar*

equivocate*

my b i was sauced for dem last two posts. i will not let these misspellings and typos stand

yo jerkus i legit dont understand what the **** bsp is fine for. sometimes i think yu just throw on blinders towards slots for absolutely NO ****ing reason and casually dump ****** into your town scum pile like its cool. youre so busy tryna understand people playing like dumb and give ****** the benefit of the doubt that youre letting bull**** slide. you literally just came in here and told everyone "everything is null lets all stand together and understand each other and step it up" **** NO i came here to body ******

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I want to agree with some of the stuff they say but soup just looks so legit and town and I think they're just goading him into slipping which isn't cool with me.

Your words ring too hollow for the wise to follow
The soupy fellow was the one on the attack and goading - like he's expected to behave
No harm has been done, though not a thing was won
The only foul occurence is your low-down raid against the honest and the brave!

Vote Potassium

 

[#HBC | marshy]

vote bsp

i HATE not voting shenani. i really do. but he might be this games aggromed from luigis mansion. he might be this games frito from the same game. he might be walmarts zen. i love all of these players (not really. im just tryna make myself sound more tolerant and accepting than i really am) but theres always some loudass ************ who wants to play like he misread his role pm and wants to help the other team win. it sucks. its among the worst things about mafia and partly why vigs exist. but its a sad reality. i def still hate the **** outta this slot and im sure as **** not townreading that bull**** but ive explained why bsp has nothing redeeming about his play so im all for more attention (hardbodying) in this direction

i see gheb implying a tvt (or null on each end whatever it may be) exchance between shenani and soup. if youve got any other insights im listening

 

[#HBC | marshy]

oh i actually hadnt seen the potato vote the first time around. ok i can def see the logic behind that

 

[YOLOSWAG]

vote bsp

i HATE not voting shenani. i really do. but he might be this games aggromed from luigis mansion. he might be this games frito from the same game. he might be walmarts zen. i love all of these players (not really. im just tryna make myself sound more tolerant and accepting than i really am) but theres always some loudass mother****er who wants to play like he misread his role pm and wants to help the other team win. it sucks. its among the worst things about mafia and partly why vigs exist. but its a sad reality. i def still hate the **** outta this slot and im sure as **** not townreading that bull**** but ive explained why bsp has nothing redeeming about his play so im all for more attention (hardbodying) in this direction

i see gheb implying a tvt (or null on each end whatever it may be) exchance between shenani and soup. if youve got any other insights im listening

oh i actually hadnt seen the potato vote the first time around. ok i can def see the logic behind that

repost under hydra

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Are we going to seriously start excusing bad play as a reason to town-read someone? Why isn't it possibly that Rake/JD are playing like dog**** as scum? Is Rake not the most competent player? Yes. Does that mean we instantly assume because he's playing bad that it's okay to excuse his scummy actions as null? No. Yes. Rake played like **** too in Luigi's, but it was a different kind of ****. Even then, it's not even just Rake. JD is a factor here and when Circus tries to tell me that this is somehow relatable to Luigi at all I want to laugh. Rake isn't playing the same as Luigi's, not at all. He's way more cautious and he hasn't even bothered to out a read on me; he had to get his own partner to do so. I say we body him if he doesn't shape up because if you're practically giving them an excuse to ride on. If someone told me I as bad and town I would continue to play bad and town because it's keeping me alive for my team.

Gheb's vote on Potassium is fine however, and his reasoning intrigues me because I get the same feeling. Potassium's post was rushed and lacked a genuine effort comparative to how Kantplay usually goes about this with posturing and elaboration. Perhaps he's being lazy but I really didn't get anything out of that post besides that.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

just woke up sorry for the grammar errors

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Circus. Do you have a read on shenan at all? The entire exchange is unreadable to me in a very, VERY bad way. I have a town read on you so please, level with me. Their play IS bad, right? The whole idea of reeling in one player that just happened to be in the thread at the same time and making like a page of nothing out of it is bad play, right? I don't think it's scummy at all, but are you just gonna let them slide with making themselves virtually unreadable? Yes marshy does the same thing BUT MARSHY DOESNT PLAY BAD.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Votecount 1:2

Vinyl. [1] - JTB
Circus [1] - Vinyl.
Shenanigenius [3] - soup, Potassium, Gorf
Red_Antoine [0] -
soup [2] - Shenanigenius, BSP
JTB [0] -
Potassium [1] - Gheb_01
Gheb_01 [0] -
pawndidater2 [0] -
YOLOSWAG [0] -
Gorf [0] -
BSP [1] - YOLOSWAG
-Masquerain- [0] -

Not voting [4] - Circus, Red_Antoine, pawndidater2, -Masquerain-

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is 11:59PM GMT, Wednesday, 8th January 2014

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[~ Gheb ~]

The wise man looks deep and the gain he will reap
For it is him who can see that it's not always the clumsy one who lacks a brain
People are strange and their ways always change
And today a clown from the circus speaks like a true poet - truthful, simple, plain!

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

I actually like Gheb's Kantplay vote.

Vote: Kantplay

Aside from that, I don't understand Marshy's vote on BSP. The guys not scummy with what he's doing, it looks more like he's just new and trying to understand the situation. I may have to read the slot again but his approach felt townie to me.

Also yea liking Circus n Gheb. Rest are null or need to post more (OR BETTER) plz.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Gorf is due to be replaced by a Gorf/Gargaglione hydra.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

i see gheb implying a tvt (or null on each end whatever it may be) exchance between shenani and soup. if youve got any other insights im listening

Keep on riding in style, and think for a while
For the soupy and the self-ordained genius - what was there to lose or win?
It is the cursed who seeks and finds the worst
He turns water into poison in order to corrode the good heart from within

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Soup, everybody with a brain can have read the last couple of pages and read em as bad play. But, remember, your play used to be that bad. And you were like never scum lol. I'd still love to lynch em to rid of the liability but for that to work it'd probably just be best to QL em, which is kinda something we can't do anymore.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I get what you're saying. I just can't dismiss it so easily because I am aware that I have played like **** in the past, but I've also played **** as scum. I don't want to easily let something go and overlook it because It's easy to call it them being ****ty. I don't think we get anything lynching them right now but if it came down to them at the end of phase, I definitely wouldn't hesitate.

I'm null on BSP because I see Gorf's argument as plausible as much as I do as YOLOSWAG's. Kantplay is a good alternative for now.

Vote: Kantplay