Tourney viable PT pokemons with new DownB?

[Iamthemovie]

I was thinking since PSA has been released, what are the chances of making Squirtle, Ivysaur and Charizard have a new DownB move that will be acceptable in B+ tourneys?

 

[colored blind]

Probably not. Look in the Nightly build topic. They had a relatively large argument whether or not to add hitboxes to Lucas' Zair, because adding moves to the game is a scary slope. And that's just adding hitboxes to an animation that already exists, let alone completely crafting a new Down B.

 

[Iamthemovie]

Ok then, how about adding a new downb that will not be used for tourneys?

 

[colored blind]

That's probably possible. It'd have to be something that you or someone else will have to take initiative on. It might replace the corresponding PT Pokemon's Down B as well instead of just the Indy Pokemon, I'm not sure.

 

[proteininja]

It does replace poke trainer's down b. If you edit the individual pokemon's down b's to do something other than transform, then the pokemon trainer can't transform.

 

[Revven]

Just set the Down B transform to a taunt and then work on a new Down B.

 

[Roy-G-Biv]

Just set the Down B transform to a taunt and then work on a new Down B.

It still wouldn't be Tourney usable.

 

[RPGsFTW]

It still wouldn't be Tourney usable.

They were talking about for personal use, not tournament use. So it's fine.

 

[DeadX]

Just set the Down B transform to a taunt and then work on a new Down B.

i don't see why that's necessary as in the brawl+ code sets (or at least the one i'm using) the individual pokemon don't have a down B altogether.

 

[cookieM0Nster]

i don't see why that's necessary as in the brawl+ code sets (or at least the one i'm using) the individual pokemon don't have a down B altogether.

We know that. Its just that people want to have a move that does something, so they want to create a whole new move for them.

 

[[TSON]]

I wouldn't have a problem with this. (Inb4Neko)

 

[FSLink]

I would suggest for new Down+Bs:
Squirtle: HydroPump (Watergun with hitboxes and bigger?), or Rapid Spin
Ivysaur: Leech Seed that gives them a flower?
Charizard: Seismic Toss, definitely. There isn't any other option. XD

 

[Luur3]

I would suggest for new Down+Bs:
Squirtle: HydroPump (Watergun with hitboxes and bigger?), or Rapid Spin
Ivysaur: Leech Seed that gives them a flower?
Charizard: Seismic Toss, definitely. There isn't any other option. XD

I can see a Down B like that happening for Squirtle. Rapid Spin could be a Dsmash or Dtilt with Bowser's UpB look on it.

The rest of em, I'm not too sure how it could work. We cant take animations from other characters, right?

 

[Roy-G-Biv]

I can see a Down B like that happening for Squirtle. Rapid Spin could be a Dsmash or Dtilt with Bowser's UpB look on it.

The rest of em, I'm not too sure how it could work. We cant take animations from other characters, right?

Correct.
Unless you can do it the hacky way and make it look like Charzard is doing Seismic toss

 

[Revven]

i don't see why that's necessary as in the brawl+ code sets (or at least the one i'm using) the individual pokemon don't have a down B altogether.

I was speaking in a non-Brawl+ oriented manner. Likely, we will not add a new Down B to the Indy Pokes in Brawl+.

 

[GHNeko]

(Inb4Neko)

y halo thur. :V





I have no real issue with this outside of official/tourney Brawl+.

Hell. I encourage it. I saw someone give Ike's dtaunt a hitbox. It was ****ing awesome.

<3

 

[ph00tbag]

Probably not. Look in the Nightly build topic. They had a relatively large argument whether or not to add hitboxes to Lucas' Zair, because adding moves to the game is a scary slope. And that's just adding hitboxes to an animation that already exists, let alone completely crafting a new Down B.

Technically, though, they've removed a move for the Indy Pokes. I think they qualify as an exceptional circumstance.

 

[GHNeko]

Technically, though, they've removed a move for the Indy Pokes. I think they qualify as an exceptional circumstance.

Then you might as well remove PT from the CSS. <_>

 

[colored blind]

Technically, though, they've removed a move for the Indy Pokes. I think they qualify as an exceptional circumstance.

For free play, sure. But for Brawl+, hell no. Why would we give someone a new move when all of them are perfectly fine without it? They replaced his Down B with the ability to stay themselves on switch. Fair trade off, I believe. It isn't any different than giving Lucas' Zair a hitbox, because it's the only Zair without one. Why doesn't he qualify as an exceptional circumstance?

A new Down B would be pretty cool, I admit, but it would be a very long while before we even begin to consider it for tourneys.

I think it'd be pretty fly for Squirtle's Down B, like someone said to be Rapid Spin. On the ground, DSmash with Spin/Slash effects would be fine, but in the air you could snag Squirtle's Screw Attack animation.

EDIT: I no speak English gudd.

 

[smashmaniac2008]

i alwats thought Charizard's FThrow looked like seismic toss his back toss too.

 

[Iamthemovie]

Then you might as well remove PT from the CSS. <_>

Actually, I wouldn't mind that really... I like having the 3 pokemon to be individual characters.
Anyways, I have no experience with messing with the PSA so I wouldn't be able to alter their movesets. If anyone wants to try, then be my guest. I just really want something down about their non-existent DownB (and please, try not to make it into a maelstrom of explosions and other graphics... something rather simple and makes sense). I'm digging the Leech Seed idea for Ivysaur.

 

[hotdogturtle]

You can't even edit the Pokemon in PSA yet anyway, so you have a while to think about this.

But none of this stuff would become tournament usable though (at least officially). It's a slippery slope. Why should the Pokemon be the only ones to be gifted with a new down-B? What's stopping you from giving a new B move to a different character who has a bad one that nobody uses in matches? Then if you've done that you want to give them more custom moves just because they're cooler than existing moves. You're changed too much from the original game. That's why any PSA edits would be for personal use only.

On that note, I'd like to see a Leech Seed move on Ivysaur if it's possible to heal him as it hurts the opponent.

 

[C~Dog]

My take on the new Down B move ideas. =D

Squirtle - Rapid Spin
* Grounded - acts like Bowsers Whirling Fortress, ie: spinning slash effects, directional influence. Possible animations: Down Smash, Down Tilt, Side B, Down Air, Neutral Air.
* Aerial - something similar to Ice Climbers Squall/Luigi's Cyclone would work here, ie: not tapping b gives low angle trajectory, tapping B rapidly to rise. Would also add a recovery move, still have the spinning slash effects. Possible animation: Down Smash (if you can use it in the air), Side B, Down Air, Neutral Air.

Ivysaur - Leech Seed
* Grounded - Inflicts the enemy with the Flower status effect and possibly damage. Could work with either an area effect spore move (similar to jigglypuffs sing except with a larger range), or a sweetspot on a vine move. Possible animations: Spore move - Up Smash, Up Air, Neutral Air; Vine move - Down Smash, Neutral A, Down Tilt.
* Aerial - Inflicts the enemy with the Flower status effect and possibly damage. Same options for mechanics as grounded. Possible animations: Spore Move - Up Smash, Up Air, Down Air, Neutral Air; Vine Move - Forward Air, Back Air, Down Smash.

Charizard - Seismic Toss
* Grounded - something like Bowsers Suicide Claw, except with out the directional influence, ie: goes straight up and a little to the front. Can be used near the near to Charicide (heh). Possible animation: Grab, Neutral Air
* Aerial - combination of Suicide Claw and Aerial Ganoncide. After the grab, moves up a little in front diagonally, then comes back down until a surface is hit. Possible animations: Grab, Neutral Air.

Also, this would take a long time to be tourney viable, if ever. it would be too hard to create something new that is balanced, and it would skew the results of other tourneys thus far.

 

[nightSN]

Charizard: Seismic Toss, definitely. There isn't any other option. XD

Replace his vB with koopa claw and we have Seismic Toss. For the heck of it alittle world picture come up with it happens to! EPIC

 

[Skieth]

100% for.

Charizard, Ivysaur, and Squirtle are incomplete characters. I never even consider playing them until they were separated by hacks. Separating the 3 pokemon is a much greater change than giving them each a down B. I don't know why anyone would shun one change and not the other... Anyway, this probably won't end up in brawl+ but Who's to say Brawl+ is the only version of the game that's worthy of playing seriously?

 

[cookieM0Nster]

100% for.

Charizard, Ivysaur, and Squirtle are incomplete characters. I never even consider playing them until they were separated by hacks. Separating the 3 pokemon is a much greater change than giving them each a down B. I don't know why anyone would shun one change and not the other... Anyway, this probably won't end up in brawl+ but Who's to say Brawl+ is the only version of the game that's worthy of playing seriously?

Lol.

You do realise that PT is really only used because he can switch between pokemon? And also keep in mind that people do like to use him, instead of the separate pokemon. I agree with GHNeko. To edit the down B is stupid. Yes, we could give them a new move, but this, in my opinion, is an unneeded change. And also keep in mind that Brawl+ and BBrawl are the only versions of the game that are worth playing seriously. So those are the only two things that have a possibility of this getting in there. And they won't be added into those games because this is as a bad idea.

AND ALSO KEEP IN MIND THAT, WHEN YOU CHANGE ONE DOWN B, YOU CHANGE ALL OF THE DOWN B'S OF ALL OF THE INDEPENDANT POKEMON. SO DON'T DO IT. THAT'S WHY IT IS A BAD IDEA, LOL.

 

[Alphatron]

Seeing as how it's Pokemon Trainer's downB and not the downB of the actual pokemon, giving them seperate moves is impossible.

 

[Skieth]

Eventually, there is going to be an effort to make a tournament worthy version of brawl that attempts to balance custom characters. Once this happens, and someone finally decides that a good smash brothers game will be nothing like vBrawl, Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard will finally be granted a fourth special move. Why anyone would ***** and moan about this, I do not know.

Brawl is a damaged product, that's why we're here. If we can fix a problem then why shouldn't we?

Edit: This bit about all three Pokemon having the same Down B will be resolved eventually. We can't really do anything until it is.

 

[Unknownlight]

Lol.

You do realise that PT is really only used because he can switch between pokemon? And also keep in mind that people do like to use him, instead of the separate pokemon. I agree with GHNeko. To edit the down B is stupid. Yes, we could give them a new move, but this, in my opinion, is an unneeded change. And also keep in mind that Brawl+ and BBrawl are the only versions of the game that are worth playing seriously. So those are the only two things that have a possibility of this getting in there. And they won't be added into those games because this is as a bad idea.

So? I've messed around with nearly every character's attributes. I've edited the damage of many attacks. I've reduced Meta Knight's jumps to four. I've made Fox's rapid kick his forward-tilt. I've made Sonic do one of his victory poses as his idle animation. I've made Ike say "I fight for my friends." every time he dashes. And I've almost finished making a new side-b for Lucario. Would I like to see these changes in tournaments? OBVIOUSLY not! But it's still fun to do these for our own games, it doesn't have to be serious all the time. Sure, new down-bs for the indy Pokemon will never be seen in tournaments, but what's wrong with a bunch of people getting together and attempting to make them? It's just for fun.

(On the other hand, "Melee 2.0" [what eventually evolved into Brawl+, as you know] was also "just for fun". Look where that led to...)

AND ALSO KEEP IN MIND THAT, WHEN YOU CHANGE ONE DOWN B, YOU CHANGE ALL OF THE DOWN B'S OF ALL OF THE INDEPENDANT POKEMON. SO DON'T DO IT. THAT'S WHY IT IS A BAD IDEA, LOL.

We already settled this. Make transforming a taunt.

Seeing as how it's Pokemon Trainer's downB and not the downB of the actual pokemon, giving them seperate moves is impossible.

*groans* This is what I was worried about... are you sure you can't edit individual Pokemon's down-bs? If you can't...that would really suck.