Total Fire Emblem Lineup Discussion (UPDATED with FE10 info)

[xianfeng]

Depending if Sakurai keeps his promise to consider the people outside japan,Lyn,without a doubt,would be more preferable(I like Lyn alot anyway,one of my favorite characters).

But the akward thing is...Ira is more popular than Lyn in Japan.

If Lyn is in the game,I would like her to be in Blade Lord form+Manni Katti.Sol Katti sucked.>: (

Lyn still has a better chance than Ira because Lyn is actually important, Ira is not.

One suggestion I've heard a couple of times is to put Ira in the game in the Japanese version, but have an alternate skin that is Lyn, and when it's released internationally, Ira is replaced by Lyn, so Sakurai can please both fanbases. It doesn't strike me as a very likely option, but it seems to be the best way for Lyn to enter brawl. Personally, I'd love Lyn to be in brawl, but unfortunately it doesn't seem that likely.

Very Unlikely because Ira doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell, Lyn is far more likely.

And yeah, what was up with the Sol Katti sucking? You'd think that her most powerful weapon would, you know, actually be her most powerful weapon.

My Lyn maxed speed and with the Sol Katti could double the dragon so I didn't care

Lyn won't be in, but she will be in way way way way way way way way way way (well you get the point) before Ira.

 

[Lord_Deathborne]

Lyn's chances aren't really THAT much better than Ira's and you know it. Just a little reminder, but back over in Japan, FE4 (Ira's game) is a beloved classic and second only in status to FE3, while FE7 is pretty much loathed over there, and Sakurai and Co. are not about to include any characters from a domestically unpopular installment just to appease the Western audience - that's what series like Metroid are for... Most likely they'll include someone both can agree on (namely Ike), but that doesn't mean that they won't possibly throw someone from FE4 as well to satisfy the hardcore Fire Emblem fan base.

 

[Brawlmatt202]

Lyn's chances aren't really THAT much better than Ira's and you know it. Just a little reminder, but back over in Japan, FE4 (Ira's game) is a beloved classic and second only in status to FE3, while FE7 is pretty much loathed over there, and Sakurai and Co. are not about to include any characters from a domestically unpopular installment just to appease the Western audience - that's what series like Metroid are for... Most likely they'll include someone both can agree on (namely Ike), but that doesn't mean that they won't possibly throw someone from FE4 as well to satisfy the hardcore Fire Emblem fan base.

Who starred in FE7, again?

 

[Lord_Deathborne]

Who starred in FE7, again?

Lyn... Sorry, I guess I assumed that was common knowledge...

 

[parrothead]

Lyn (or Lyndis) is sort of like Link, because they both use bow and arrows, as well as swords. If Lyn was added, then she would be a semi-original character, which means she would be half like Link, and half original.

 

[Johnknight1]

Unlike a lot of ppl, I feel there could be 5 Fire Emblem Slots Open Here They Are, In Order

1.Marth: just because they love originals, and he is well loved by tons of ppl, plus he awsome!

2.Ike: both are most likely in Brawl, I give them both easy 99.5% chances, in a dead tie!

3.Lyn: Mainly there because she a female, and BRAWL needs a lot more female fighters!

4.Siurd: A major roll, who is basically got a good chance, and is about even with Roy and Lyn!

5.Roy: Mainly cause he was well received, with Roy In the west, & Europe. He would be missed by many Melee fans, even though he is considered a "clone", in which case the whole new makeover deal gives him a lot better chances, Plus the 5 Slot Deal Ups his chances.

6.Ira:Ira just missed it, & even I doubt a 6th Fire Emblem spot, which she would easily have!

I would give it 2 her just because BRAWL needs & is looking 4 several new females. But overall Roy's wins in a popularity contest!
WARNING: This is just my guess, but this is how I feel it will go. I basically only knew about PoR b4 reading this thread, and now I no tons more about FE! I heavily believe there will b 5 FE slots (80% chance), or 4 (20%) just becuase of Roy's and Marth's heavy impact on Melee.

I also believe there should b no Japan, NA, or Europe only characters, items (like Melee's goldeneye and perfect dark weapons), stages, or options. I bet there will be 5 FE characters (Crossing Fingers), marketing is reason enough, and it could raise FE popularity almost to a Star Fox calibur (i love Star Fox), and it would show the series off even more.

 

[y3nia659]

This was nice, though I disagree on a few things. I think both Eirika and Ephraim have the same chance. Im just hoping not all FE characters in Brawl are Lords, *crosses fingers*.

 

[xianfeng]

Lyn's chances aren't really THAT much better than Ira's and you know it. Just a little reminder, but back over in Japan, FE4 (Ira's game) is a beloved classic and second only in status to FE3, while FE7 is pretty much loathed over there, and Sakurai and Co. are not about to include any characters from a domestically unpopular installment just to appease the Western audience - that's what series like Metroid are for... Most likely they'll include someone both can agree on (namely Ike), but that doesn't mean that they won't possibly throw someone from FE4 as well to satisfy the hardcore Fire Emblem fan base.

Lyn's chances are much better than Ira's because LYN IS A LORD and IMPORTANT. IRA IS NOT IMPORTANT. FE4 was more popular than FE7 in Japan hence why Sigurd will get in over Eliwood or Hector. Ira won't get in over Marth, Alm, Celica, Sigurd, Celice, Leaf, Roy, Lyn, Eliwood, Hector, Eirika, Ephraim, Ike, Elincia, Micaiah, Sanaki, Medeus, Alvis, Zephiel, Nergal, Lyon, Ashnard, Black Knight, Ashera Jeigan, Cuan, Oifaye, Marcus, Seth, Titania, Sothe, Gato, Athos, Yune and heaps of others.

Lyn's chances are far greater than Iras.

6.Ira:Ira just missed it, & even I doubt a 6th Fire Emblem spot, which she would easily have!

Ira doesn't have any chances at all, she isn't a lord.

3.Lyn: Mainly there because she a female, and BRAWL needs a lot more female fighters!

Lyn's chances aren't very good all though she is the 3rd most likely female right after Micaiah and Elincia.

5.Roy: Mainly cause he was well received, with Roy In the west, & Europe. He would be missed by many Melee fans, even though he is considered a "clone", in which case the whole new makeover deal gives him a lot better chances, Plus the 5 Slot Deal Ups his chances.

Roy could very easily get a new moveset but he is very unpopular and hated in Japan so he doesn't have much of a chance.

Im just hoping not all FE characters in Brawl are Lords, *crosses fingers*.

They will be, they are the most important characters. Then the villains will get in (Black Knight probably being the most likely)

Lyn (or Lyndis) is sort of like Link, because they both use bow and arrows, as well as swords. If Lyn was added, then she would be a semi-original character, which means she would be half like Link, and half original.

Except their sword styles are nothing alike and neither are their bow styles.

Who starred in FE7, again?

Eliwood, Hector and Lyn.

Sorry if it sounds flamy but Ira doesn't have a very real chance at all.

 

[Brawlmatt202]

Just because a character isn't a Lord, doesn't mean he/she automatically is out of the question.

 

[xianfeng]

It pretty much does, a character has to be important to stand any real chance. Lords are the most important, Ira is about as important as Serra, Franz or Boyd.

 

[Brawlmatt202]

It pretty much does, a character has to be important to stand any real chance. Lords are the most important, Ira is about as important as Serra, Franz or Boyd.

There are other important characters who aren't lords. Ike, for example, wasn't a lord at first. Volke is also an important character, and he's no lord, the same goes for Soren and Sothe, and Mist, too.

 

[Kirby knight]

There are other important characters who aren't lords. Ike, for example, wasn't a lord at first. Volke is also an important character, and he's no lord, the same goes for Soren and Sothe, and Mist, too.

Meh... Ike was the MAIN CHARACTER of FE9 therefore he filled the role as a lord type character. What matters is if FE9 get's represented Ike will be the one to do it; no other character will.

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

Just a question xian....where do you get your information?

Ever since when if a characters a lord=instant important?

Even though Ira may not be a lord:

1.Fire Emblem: Seisen no Keifu(FE4) Is one of them most popular Fire Emblem games in the series,second to Fire Emblem 3.

2.Ira is THE MOST popular female Fire Emblem character in Japan.

I believe these points count for something.

 

[EnFerris]

Lords are important because if they die, the plot can't go forward and you lose. Any other character could be cut out of the storyline if a player is careless, which may be seen as one of the draws of Fire Emblem.

If I ever beat Path of Radiance one of these days, I'll totally play through without resetting if I lose anyone but Ike. That wa it would feel more genuine. And Ike would be way more important.

 

[Brawlmatt202]

Lords are important because if they die, the plot can't go forward and you lose. Any other character could be cut out of the storyline if a player is careless, which may be seen as one of the draws of Fire Emblem.

If I ever beat Path of Radiance one of these days, I'll totally play through without resetting if I lose anyone but Ike. That wa it would feel more genuine. And Ike would be way more important.

I always reset the game if a character dies, even if it is the second, third, etc. time.

 

[KidSmash]

2words: Black Knight

 

[Stryks]

^^^

Agree, a character doesnt have to be a lord to be considered for smash, he has now 2 apeparances, hes an awesome villain, and is now playable...

Black knigh FTW!

 

[EnFerris]

I always reset the game if a character dies, even if it is the second, third, etc. time.

Yeah, but that's not everyone. Arguably, it's not how the game is meant to be played. The fact that Lords are the only characters really necessary to get through the game implies that all other characters aren't as important.

As for the Black Knight, I thought he was a pretty boring Darth Vader inspired villain. He would have been cool if it they took the connection to it's extreme, but with a twist, and made the Black Knight Ike's mother in very masculine armor. Would have totally rocked.

 

[Brawlmatt202]

Yeah, but that's not everyone. Arguably, it's not how the game is meant to be played. The fact that Lords are the only characters really necessary to get through the game implies that all other characters aren't as important.

As for the Black Knight, I thought he was a pretty boring Darth Vader inspired villain. He would have been cool if it they took the connection to it's extreme, but with a twist, and made the Black Knight Ike's mother in very masculine armor. Would have totally rocked.

...No, that would have been... weird.

 

[EnFerris]

...No, that would have been... weird.

Would have violated your preconceived notions of what roles are suitable for women? Like Samus being female, and Zelda disguising herself as a male Sheikah? It would have been unexpected. And she wouldn't have really needed to be doing it on purpose. find it hard to believe hat armorsmiths would work in busts unecessarily, or have anything to show the gender of the armo-wearer.

 

[dotdotdot!]

Would have violated your preconceived notions of what roles are suitable for women? Like Samus being female, and Zelda disguising herself as a male Sheikah? It would have been unexpected. And she wouldn't have really needed to be doing it on purpose. find it hard to believe hat armorsmiths would work in busts unecessarily, or have anything to show the gender of the armo-wearer.

No, it would have been weird because BK has a masculine voice, Masculine form, and they refer to him as a "He."

 

[xianfeng]

There are other important characters who aren't lords. Ike, for example, wasn't a lord at first. Volke is also an important character, and he's no lord, the same goes for Soren and Sothe, and Mist, too.

Volke, Soren, Sothe and Mist can't seize and they can die without the game finishing. They have no chance for Brawl.

Just a question xian....where do you get your information?
Ever since when if a characters a lord=instant important?
Even though Ira may not be a lord:
1.Fire Emblem: Seisen no Keifu(FE4) Is one of them most popular Fire Emblem games in the series,second to Fire Emblem 3.
2.Ira is THE MOST popular female Fire Emblem character in Japan.
I believe these points count for something.

Sakurai said popular characters bore him. Plus Ira isn't important. Plus do you honestly expect a minor character to get in over a major character like Lyn? Popularity means little to none, especially for a character such as Ira when Hollin, Lakche, Radney, Roddlevan, Sukasha, Machyua, Mareeta, Shiva, Trewd, Shanam, Fir, Rutgar, Karel, Guy, Karla, Joshua, Marisa, Mia, Stefan, Zihark or Lucia (who are all of equal or more importance) could fill the role and have the exact same moveset. Nothing sets her apart, she isn't special.

As for the Black Knight, I thought he was a pretty boring Darth Vader inspired villain. He would have been cool if it they took the connection to it's extreme, but with a twist, and made the Black Knight Ike's mother in very masculine armor. Would have totally rocked.

Spoiler

Zelgius is confirmed to be the black knight...

 

[Lord_Deathborne]

Sakurai said popular characters bore him. Plus Ira isn't important. Plus do you honestly expect a minor character to get in over a major character like Lyn? Popularity means little to none, especially for a character such as Ira when Hollin, Lakche, Radney, Roddlevan, Sukasha, Machyua, Mareeta, Shiva, Trewd, Shanam, Fir, Rutgar, Karel, Guy, Karla, Joshua, Marisa, Mia, Stefan, Zihark or Lucia (who are all of equal or more importance) could fill the role and have the exact same moveset. Nothing sets her apart, she isn't special.

Except that she is the FIRST Myrmidon/Swordmaster Class character, which is arguably the most popular FE class - That should count for something, shouldn't it?

 

[Brawlmatt202]

Spoiler

Zelgius is confirmed to be the black knight...

SERIOUSLY?!

...Who's that?

 

[xianfeng]

Except that she is the FIRST Myrmidon/Swordmaster Class character, which is arguably the most popular FE class - That should count for something, shouldn't it?

No, that could be used for a lot of characters. I can 100% garuntee you Ira will not be in Brawl as a playable character, or any future SSB game before Lyn.

SERIOUSLY?!

...Who's that?

Have you played Path of radiance?

Spoiler

There is a video of Zelgius revealing himself to Ike as well, also he is a branded. Ashnard's son Palleas is also a branded, his mother and Ashnard's widow is a dragon laguz. Micaiah is also a Laguz, she comes from the Heron tribe.

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

Volke, Soren, Sothe and Mist can't seize and they can die without the game finishing. They have no chance for Brawl.

Man,you sure know your stuff.

Sakurai said popular characters bore him. Plus Ira isn't important. Plus do you honestly expect a minor character to get in over a major character like Lyn? Popularity means little to none, especially for a character such as Ira when Hollin, Lakche, Radney, Roddlevan, Sukasha, Machyua, Mareeta, Shiva, Trewd, Shanam, Fir, Rutgar, Karel, Guy, Karla, Joshua, Marisa, Mia, Stefan, Zihark or Lucia (who are all of equal or more importance) could fill the role and have the exact same moveset. Nothing sets her apart, she isn't special.

Here comes that"Sakurai Said" Blahblahblah argument.Do you really think all of those characters are more Popular than Ira just because they are Lords?

And yes,Ira has much more of a chance than Lyn,because in Japan Fire Emblem 7 was the most hated of all of the Fire emblem games in the series,and I doubt that Sakurai would be cynical enough to include a character that was only popular in North America just to satisfy them.

Even if the Fire Emblem characters are Japanes,look at Marth,we really didn't know that much about him,but we loved him anyway,and the same could be said for Ira if she was included.

 

[Kirby knight]

Man,you sure know your stuff.




Here comes that"Sakurai Said" Blahblahblah argument.Do you really think all of those characters are more Popular than Ira just because they are Lords?

And yes,Ira has much more of a chance than Lyn,because in Japan Fire Emblem 7 was the most hated of all of the Fire emblem games in the series,and I doubt that Sakurai would be cynical enough to include a character that was only popular in North America just to satisfy them.

Even if the Fire Emblem characters are Japanes,look at Marth,we really didn't know that much about him,but we loved him anyway,and the same could be said for Ira if she was included.

Could you please tell me where you got your information that FE7 was the MOST HATED FE GAME IN THE SERIES?

 

[Lord_Deathborne]

Could you please tell me where you got your information that FE7 was the MOST HATED FE GAME IN THE SERIES?

Well, that is the case in Japan... I'm having trouble finding the source, but I remember reading up that the Japanese players, who were accustomed to the high level challenge of the series, were it's predecessor FE6 was quite notable, were greatly irritated by the mandatory tutorial missions. The game overall was also considerably easier than previous titles in the series. What I can tell you for sure though is that FE7 is the second worst selling game in the series - but even the worst selling entry, FE5, is still well regarded among Japanese fans. It's also worth noting that despite it's very vocal fan base outside of Japan, it hasn't been particularly successful in the West either, with both FE8 and FE9 outperforming it considerably...

 

[xianfeng]

And yes,Ira has much more of a chance than Lyn,because in Japan Fire Emblem 7 was the most hated of all of the Fire emblem games in the series.

FE7 wasn't the most hated in Japan, FE2, 6 and 8 were all less popular. Ira doesn't have any chance whatsoever, POPULARITY = ZIP. Lyn is important, more unqiue than Ira and more well known

Even if the Fire Emblem characters are Japanes,look at Marth,we really didn't know that much about him,but we loved him anyway,and the same could be said for Ira if she was included.

Difference is Marth is Mr Fire Emblem, Ira is some random, useless, pointless character.

What I can tell you for sure though is that FE7 is the second worst selling game in the series

FE2 sold worse

with both FE8 and FE9 outperforming it considerably...

FE8 was hated everywhere a lot because it was pathetically easy.

 

[Wiseguy]

Greetings fellow Fire Emblem fans.

I've been singing this same, sad tune on the "Should Marth and Roy Return" and "The
Black Knight for Brawl" threads but I think this debate really belongs here. Please let
me know what you think.

Here's my two cents. Before Marth and Roy were included in Melee, the series that you
and I know and love as Fire Emblem had never been localized outside of Japan.
Therefore, it made perfect sense to select Marth (the original and most
popular Japanese lord at that time) and Roy (the lord in the then soon-to-be released
Japanese Fire Emblem 6) even though no one outside of the land-of-the-rising-sun had
ever heard of them or any other FE characters.

As everyone knows, this equation changed with the release of FE 7 for the GBA.
Suddenly, the rest of the world got a taste of one of Nintendo's finest game series and the game
was met with commercial and critical success internationally.

Ironically enough, however, just as the the rest of the world was becoming aware of the
sheer brilliance of the FE series, Japan was losing interest. FE 7 & 8 on the GBA were
not recieved well among FE's traditional fanbase, due in no small part to the fact that
they appeared on a handheld instead of a console.

Here lies the dilema: given that we will only get 2-3 Fire Emblem characters in Brawl
(realistically speaking) which characters will Sakurai select to represent the
franchise? The FE games are different from the Zelda or Starfox series in that its games
feature multiple locations and chararacters - meaning that they lack a definitive mascot
like Mario or Starfox. To Japanese gamers (who prefer the older console Fire Emblem
games) Marth's games are looks on with reverance while the GBA games are seen as
abominations. In the west, Fire Emblem 7 is considered the first (and most widely
respected) game in the series while all games previous might as well not exist (thanks
to Nintendo's questionable desicion not to release them outside Japan). So how can
Sakurai appease the legions of new Fire Emblem fans around the world without alienating
the series' tradtional fanbase in Japan?

The solution is to include characters exclsuively from Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance and
its highly anticipated Wii sequel Goddess of Dawn (which is already out in Japan). PoR
is the most recent game to be released internationally and it is the only Fire Emblem
game to date that is popular among Fire Emblem fans in Japan as well as
internationally. For those who question PoR's popularity, might I remind you that four
of the five Fire Emblem charcaters on Sakurai's poll (Ike, the Black Knight, Mia and
Sothe) were from PoR and Ike was ranked as the second most requested character, just
behind King Dedede.

Here are some objections that people might have to my theory:

1) "But Nintendo doesn't care about non-Japanese gamers!"

True, but Nintendo doesn't care about Japanese gamers either. As a bussiness, all they
care about is gamer's money. From a pure bussiness point of view, it doesn't make sense
to ignore non-Japanese Fire Emblem fans because there are currently more Fire Emblem
fans (aka people who buy Fire Emblem games) outside Japan than within.

Obviously, Nintendo will balance the tastes of all their key markets. If their only
concern was the Japanese market, then it would not make sense for characters from the
Metroid series (which is greatly undervalued in Japan) to be included in Brawl.

2) "Hector and/or Lyn are awesome! Who cares if Japanese gamers don't like them?"

Just because non-Japanese FE fans are the majority, doesn't mean that Nintendo will abandon Fire Emblem's traditional fanbase. It is far more likely that they will balance the tastes of all Fire Embelm fans and choose characters from exclusively PoR - which is popular among Fire Embelm fans in Japan, as well as everywhere else.

3) "Having FE representatives from only the Telius games doesn't make sense."

Remeber, Fire Emblem just doesn't have the fanbase of a series like Starfox and Pokemon to justify four or five chracters. This makes it impossible to give fair representation to all the Fire Emblem "universes" (for lack of a better term). Therefore, the few available spots on the roster should go to prominent characters to the two most recent Fire Emblem games: PoR & GoD. This has the disadvantage of leaving the older games unrepresented, but has the advantage of selling plenty of copies of GoD.

4) "But Marth and Roy are popular and cool!"

Marth and Roy are great characters in their own right, but becasue of their relative unimportance to the FE's new, global fanbase (they only appeared in Fire Embelm games released exclusively inside Japan) they make poor representatives of the Fire Emblem series.

While most would admit that Roy has little chance of returning, many still look at Marth's return as a certainty. However, given Marth's similarity to Ike (they are both male, sword-weilding lords with blue hair and capes) it seems unlikely that both of them will be put in the same game. Hopefully, we will see a greater variety of Fire Embelm characters in Brawl.

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So, now that I've given reasons for why the majority of Fire Emblem characters don't deserve to make the cut let me tell you about a few characters that do. I've narrowed it down to three.


1) Ike

http://cubemedia.ign.com/cube/image...emblem-path-of-radiance-20050923024657100.jpg

Ike - Lord of Path of Radiance (FE9)
Ike has a VERY good chance of getting in. Ever since PoR, he's topped Sigurd in popularity. Not only that, he's also very popular in the US. He's also the star of so far the most recent FE (but not for much longer). He's been in the polls, AND he has a unique fighting style. (Aether will definitely be in the game >| ) Also, he's known internationally. Wait, can it get even better? Yes it can.

*SPOILER*

Ike is one of the lords in FE10, making him the only playable lord TWICE, other than Marth. Of course, he's also the most recent, so that just gives him even better chances.

*/SPOILER*

I don't really need to say more.

Verdict: 99.9% Ike WILL be in Brawl.

I couldn't agree more, Ike will most certainly get in. As a lord in the two most recent Fire Emblem games and the second most popular character on Sakurai's poll I just don't see how he could not get in. Personally, I see him replacing Marth as the new Fire Emblem rep in Smash Bros. It's just a question of what other characters will make the cut...


2) Miciaiah

http://www.n-philes.com/games/WII/WII_fire_emblem/1.jpg

Micaiah - Lord of Goddess of Dawn (FE10)
Micaiah is indeed the lord of the new Fire Emblem. However, the fact remains that she is a mage, and that just makes it harder for them to implement her. However, she does have a handful of outfits to choose from :D. But anyways, let me make this clear about the possible FE10 leaders. All of them have a lower chance, simply because uses up a solid Tellius slot. With characters from Jugdral (FE4/5) and Elibe (Roy/Lyn/Hector) competing for representation of other FE worlds, characters from Tellius are gonna have much less priority. Because of that...

Verdict - 60%

Just as Roy was put in Melee to sell more copies of his game, so also could Maciaiah make it into Brawl in order to increase sales of GoD. It's as simple as that. However, since Ike also appears prominently in God, they may simply include him as a representative of both games.

Regardless, I think that if Sakurai's team decides to spend the time on another original moveset for a Fire Embelm character (in addition to Ike) Maciaiah is the best bet. Contrary to popular belief, Fire Emblem is about more than just sword fighters. By including a mage as a playable character, one could bring more diversity to the Brawl roster than if yet another sword fighter were included instead.

3) The Black Knight

http://cubemedia.ign.com/cube/image/article/606/606079/fire-emblem-gcn-20050419050833987.jpg

Black Knight - NOT A LORD.
The Black Knight isn't a lord. Yes, he appears in FE10. Yes, you can control him. Yes,
I think I know who he is. That doesn't mean **** though. The Black Knight will NOT make
it in Brawl. He's way too overpowered (can you imagine throwing a huge pile of armor
around, or have him jumping around!?), his role wasn't central enough, he was a cliche
character, he has the Ike-factor going against him, and again, he's too ridiculously
strong. I just put him here so I could say that. His ONLY ONLY ONLY possible chance is
because he's an antogonist character. That gives him a 1% chance, with me being
generous.

Verdict - 1%

Reading that paragraph, one would think that Anti Guy's reasoning is the equivilant of a lethal blow against the Black Knight appearing in Brawl. In fact, it's only a flesh wound.

In spite of a unpresidented level of hostility towards the character by some of the more irrational members of the Smash community, the Black Knight's chances are much higher than you would think. The Black Knight is Ike's greatest nemesis and the most prominent villian in the Fire Embelm: Path of Radiance. His return in Goddess of Dawn (as a playable character, none the less) makes his the only Fire Emblem to ever appear in two different games - and therefore the most important villian in the entire series.

The Black Knight's presence on Sakurai's Japanese poll is certainly a positive sign for his appearing in Brawl as it shows that he must have been at least considered for the game (which is more than we can say for certain in regards to most other Fire Emblem characters).

The way I see it, the Black Knight stands an excellent chance of being included as a Roy-esque clone of Ike. By that I mean that his moveset will essentially be copied from Ike's (they were trained by the same man after all) except he will he will be exceptionally more slow and powerful - much like Ganondorf was to Captain Falcon. In order to make him a bit more original they could give him his teloport ability in place of his triple jump. Since including BK as a clone would take significantly less development time than including a unique FE character, I'd say his chances are considerably higher than most.

"Too overpowered"? Please. If Smash was a realistic depiction of each character's power do you think that Pichu would be higher on the tier list than Mew Two? Or than Sheik would be so much more powerful than Ganondorf? Or that Princess Peach would last ten seconds in a fight with Samus Aran? The Smash team could design BK to be as strong or as weak as they see fit - regardless of his strength in PoR.

"Jumping"? If Bowser and Ganondorf can do it, so can BK.

"Clique character"? That's just one guy's opinion. Here's another: the Black Knight is the greatest villian ever to appear in any videogame. Period. But hey, feel free to disagree. We'll have plenty of time to discuss it after BK makes it into Brawl.

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I way I see it there are two possibilities. Either the Path of Radiance version of Ike get's in with the Black Knight as his clone or the Godess of Dawn version of Ike get's in with Miciaiah riding shotgun. I would love to see all three or even more FE characters make get into Brawl, but I just don't see it happening. Regardless, as long as the representatives are taken exclusively from PoR and GoD, the majority of Fire Emblem fans around the world should be satisfied.

But, again, that's just my two cents. Feel free to post why I'm a complete buffoon. Anti Guy has make a really great thread here, and I'd love to see it revived.

 

[LukeFonFabre]

Reading that paragraph, one would think that Anti Guy's reasoning is the equivilant of a lethal blow against the Black Knight appearing in Brawl. In fact, it's only a flesh wound.

You just had to say it, didn't you XD

 

[Wiseguy]

Sorry, I couldn't help myself.

 

[LukeFonFabre]

Regardless, you have some very good points and I largely agree with you for most of it. The Tellius gamers really are the even ground between Japanese and Non-Japanese gamers, though I still believe leaving Marth in is a possibilty and that both him and Ike can be different enough to be enjoyable. Always nice to see support for Micaiah, but I'm not sure she'd be as effective at advertising her game as Roy did for his (seeing as it's already out).

And I don't believe it, but I've actually warmed up to the Black Knight. Can't say I actually support him, but I'm not as opposed to his inclusion as I used to be. Curse him and his badass look.

 

[Wiseguy]

Regardless, you have some very good points and I largely agree with you for most of it. The Tellius gamers really are the even ground between Japanese and Non-Japanese gamers, though I still believe leaving Marth in is a possibilty and that both him and Ike can be different enough to be enjoyable. Always nice to see support for Micaiah, but I'm not sure she'd be as effective at advertising her game as Roy did for his (seeing as it's already out).

And I don't believe it, but I've actually warmed up to the Black Knight. Can't say I actually support him, but I'm not as opposed to his inclusion as I used to be. Curse him and his badass look.

Thanks for the kind words LukeFonFabre.

To be fair, I suppose Marth does have a chance of returning given his loyal following among Smashers but I would personally prefer a more unique character.

As for Miciaiah, I was refering more to her inclusion selling tons of GoD copies in North America as all signs are pointing to it being released around the same time as Brawl. Still, your point is valid.

Dude! You're no longer against the Black Knight?! MIRACLES DO HAPPEN!!!!

 

[LukeFonFabre]

As for Miciaiah, I was refering more to her inclusion selling tons of GoD copies in North America as all signs are pointing to it being released around the same time as Brawl. Still, your point is valid.

Ah, that's different then. Though that'd really be more of a bonus than rather a main reason for her inclusion. I think her main selling point is that she's fresh and offers a lot of potential for Sakurai to make an interesting character out of.

Dude! You're no longer against the Black Knight?! MIRACLES DO HAPPEN!!!!

Indeed . I kind of reasessed him and figured he wasn't as bad an addition as I thought he was. FE could do with a villain character, and while a more unique would be preferable, BK is really the only candidate. The main problem is that he'd be hard to make seperate from Ike, but a Luigi-esque clone would probably suit him best.

So yeah, I blame his awesome Black armour personally. If BK doesn't get in I at least want to see Ike have it as a costume.

 

[GenG]

makes his the only Fire Emblem to ever appear in two different games - and therefore the most important villian in the entire series.

Biased. Medeus, Garnef and Camus appear in two games too, and are way more important than the BK from the series perspective.

Still don't think older representatives should be cut. Marth is going to stay (there isn't too much to add here), Ike is 100% the new FE addition for Brawl, while Sigurd is a Japan favorite and Roy may stay with a luigified moveset, because Roy is way better than his father and co. You have 4 characters here, undoubtly the best and most popular 4 lords in the entire franchise (sorry Cecile). I don't see Micaiah in, the spots should be given to main characters only, since the series are so vast and different from title to title: Picking the top characters are the best way to please everyone.

I want to see why Marth isn't original or creative from a Smash point of view, since he has different traits from the rest of characters (tips, aerials, spacing, rythm).

 

[Wiseguy]

Biased. Medeus, Garnef and Camus appear in two games too, and are way more important than the BK from the series perspective.

If those are, in fact, villians who appeared in multiple games (are not the original FE and its SNES remake) then I stand corrected. However, BK is still the only villian to appear in multiple internationally released FE games - so he is still the most important villian in the series. The majority of FE fans will never play the Japanese Fire Emblem games.

Still don't think older representatives should be cut. Marth is going to stay (there isn't too much to add here), Ike is 100% the new FE addition for Brawl, while Sigurd is a Japan favorite and Roy may stay with a luigified moveset, because Roy is way better than his father and co. You have 4 characters here, undoubtly the best and most popular 4 lords in the entire franchise (sorry Cecile). I don't see Micaiah in, the spots should be given to main characters only, since the series are so vast and different from title to title: Picking the top characters are the best way to please everyone.

Wow. Four male Fire Embelm lords, three of which have blue hair and all which have big swords and capes. Not to mention that three of them are from Japanese only games - so they can hardly be considered the most popular lords (given that most Fire Emblem fans will never play their games).

Like Luke said, Miciaiah brings originality to the Brawl roster. Having all sword fighters would be pretty boring, and a waiste of development time (assuming that they each get their own unique moveset).

I want to see why Marth isn't original or creative from a Smash point of view, since he has different traits from the rest of characters (tips, aerials, spacing, rythm).

He is unoriginal compared to characters like Miciaiah and the Black Knight (who would likely be a clone, but bring a different presence to the roster). With Ike very likely in the game, I don't see why we need Marth - since the two are very similar in appearance.

 

[LukeFonFabre]

While I'd like 4 characters to rep the Fe series, I can't say I'm that fussed on them being all swordsmen (even if they are the most popular characters in the series). I'd like to think Sakurai would add a bit of variety amongst them, regardless of how important the swordsman.

I'm not fond of the idea of adding Sigurd. It's partly due to, unlike Marth and Roy, virtually no one outside Japan knows who he is. I know Sakurai may still add Japan only characters, but it seems a bit pointless when there are plenty of internationally known lords, even if Sigurd is popular in Japan. He's also incredibly similar to Marth in appearance, and having aniother blue haired swordsman besides Marth and Ike really is pushing it IMO. He's a good chance of getting in, I just don't like the idea of it.

 

[darkshy]

Just wondering what is the name of FE10?

 

[LukeFonFabre]

Fire Emblem: Goddess of Dawn.

Speaking of which, has anyone heard a release date for it yet? I would've thought they'd have said something by now?