Total Fire Emblem Lineup Discussion (UPDATED with FE10 info)

[Anti Guy]

WARNING; DO NOT READ ANYTHING IN BLACK IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO BE SPOILED. YOU'VE BEEN WARNED.

Wow, I've been seeing a lot of solo Fire Emblem character topics here... but if you think about it, the entire FE lineup should be discussed as a whole. Unlike asking for other characters (Whether it be Sonic, Little Mac, DeMille, whatever), the inclusion of one FE character dramatically reduces the chances of other characters as a whole -- because there are only a limited number of slots.

So instead of picking which ONE FE character/lord has a chance of making it in, let's take a look at the lineup Nintendo will choose. Here's my analysis of each (Courtesy of FESS for the pictures, which are just necessary for showing who each lord is):

Marth - Lord of Dragon of Darkness (FE1) and Mystery of the Emblem (FE3).
Marth's chance isn't bad. He is, after all the first lord. Also, he's the only one to be the lord of two games. But since Fire Emblem isn't like Zelda, in that pretty much every other game takes place in a new world, he doesn't have that definitive attachment to the series. Still, he's the first. And he appeared in Melee. Frankly, I think his chances are bound to Sigurd's chances.

Verdict - 85% chance of returning. Higher if Sigurd doesn't make it.

FE Gaiden lords (Alm and Celica) - A resounding no for obvious reasons.

Sigurd - Lord of the Genealogy of the Holy War (FE4), first generation
Sigurd has a very good chance, because of his popularity (and Sakurai wanted to include him before). He could potentially replace Marth, which to me is kinda weird since he seems to have the power of Roy. But I'm thinking if Sigurd's in, Marth would have to go. Hey, they're also both Japan-only! (Which may change with the VC) Remember that! Too many blue-haired characters running around would be confusing. Although Ike is also blue-haired, he has a dramatically different outfit, too

Also, if the castle stages in the trailer are rom Fire Emblem, it has a pretty good probably of being Velthomer or Barhara, two castles from Grandbell in FE4, by a comparison of flags. (Most notably, the flags appear to be a sideways version of the animals that adorn the flags of Jugdral, the continent in FE4/5). If that's the case, Sigurd is 90% in. But since this is not definite yet...

Verdict - 70% Chance of making it. Higher if Marth doesn't make it.

Celice - Sigurd's son and Lord of the Genealogy of the Holy War, second generation
Celice... I doubt it. He didn't get mentioned in Sakurai's polls I believe. But if he does decide to go all clone-happy again, Celice might be Sigurd's clone -- maybe faster and weaker.

Verdict - No chance.

Leaf - Lord of Thracia 776 (FE5)
Poor guy. He did appear in FE4, and starred in FE5. But FE5 kinda failed (bad timing, really), and he isn't really popular either. Practically no chance... unless he was a clone (but they'd probably pick one of the other choices here as a clone. IF they use clones, god forbid).

Verdict - No chance.

Roy - Lord of The Sword of Seals (FE6)
Roy has a low chance in my opinion. He was only an advertisement, really. Eliwood would have a higher chance, but I even doubt it for Eliwood.

Verdict - 40% chance of returning.

Eliwood, Lyn, and Hector - Lords of The Blazing Sword (FE7)
Eliwood has a low chance, because he frankly isn't that popular (maybe he is in the US, but I'll explain that in a bit.) Lyn and Hector have pretty low chances as they had "co-starring" roles as lords. Also, they weren't mentioned in the poll, I think... (IIRC, the poll had a bunch of FE1 characters, Sigurd, and a handful of Path of Radiance characters. And for the record, yes the poll doesn't matter much because of its inclusion of ridiculous characters, BUT the characters there have better chances than characters that aren't. Think of it as a bare minimum list of candidates, in a way.) Just because they were in the first US game doesn't make them nearly as popular in Japan. (Yes, I know Sakurai said he'd try to hold back on Japan-only stuff, but the characters should be at least pretty popular in Japan to begin with). However, Lyn is still reasonably popular. Her sword style is different, and she's female. Hector also gets a small boost because of his axe-lord awesomeness.

Verdicts:
Eliwood: 10% chance
Lyn: 50% chance
Hector: 40% chance

Ephraim and Eirika - Lords of The Sacred Stones (FE8)
Ephraim and Eirika are really screwed. They don't have much popularity at all... Only thing Ephraim has going for him is his unique spear-wielding abilities...

Verdicts:
Ephraim: 40% chance
Eirika: No chance

Ike - Lord of Path of Radiance (FE9)
Ike has a VERY good chance of getting in. Ever since PoR, he's topped Sigurd in popularity. Not only that, he's also very popular in the US. He's also the star of so far the most recent FE (but not for much longer). He's been in the polls, AND he has a unique fighting style. (Aether will definitely be in the game >| ) Also, he's known internationally. Wait, can it get even better? Yes it can.

*SPOILER*




Ike is one of the lords in FE10, making him the only playable lord TWICE, other than Marth. Of course, he's also the most recent, so that just gives him even better chances.



*/SPOILER*

I don't really need to say more.

Verdict: 99.9% Ike WILL be in Brawl.

*HUGE SPOILERS FOLLOW!!!!!!!!!*
Micaiah - Lord of Goddess of Dawn (FE10)
Micaiah is indeed the lord of the new Fire Emblem. However, the fact remains that she is a mage, and that just makes it harder for them to implement her. However, she does have a handful of outfits to choose from :D. But anyways, let me make this clear about the possible FE10 leaders. All of them have a lower chance, simply because uses up a solid Tellius slot. With characters from Jugdral (FE4/5) and Elibe (Roy/Lyn/Hector) competing for representation of other FE worlds, characters from Tellius are gonna have much less priority. Because of that...

Verdict - 60%

Sothe - Protagonist in Goddess of Dawn
Sothe had a good chance. His knives offer something different than swords -- probably a really quick Sheik-like play style. Also, he can kick like a badass in the movies. AND he's been in FE9 as well. However, he has a couple problems. One, he isn't the main lord. Two, knives are frowned upon, according to Sakurai. Sure, Sothe can still kick like a badass, but he isn't Sothe without his knives. Also, he has the Ike-pwning-Tellius factor going against him

Verdict - 40%

Elincia - Queen of Crimea, and central character in Part 2 and part of Part 4
Elincia has a very small chance. Again, she's a sword user, which doesn't exactly help. Her role wasn't the main role in either story, even thoguh she was a very important supporting character. Yes, she does have a lord role a few times in FE10, but that's not enough. Again, she has the Ike-pwning-Tellius factor going against her.

Verdict - 1%

Tibarn - King of Phoenicia, and a lord character in part of Part 4
I would really love to see Tibarn in Brawl. He's definitely the defition of badass... He can fight well in human form, and also transform for a whole aerial moveset. Like Sothe, he appeared in both games as well. However, like Elincia, his role wasn't central to either game. And once again, he has the Ike-pwning-Tellius factor going against him.

Verdict - 20%

Black Knight - NOT A LORD.
The Black Knight isn't a lord. Yes, he appears in FE10. Yes, you can control him. Yes, I think I know who he is. That doesn't mean **** though. The Black Knight will NOT make it in Brawl. He's way too overpowered (can you imagine throwing a huge pile of armor around, or have him jumping around!?), his role wasn't central enough, he was a cliche character, he has the Ike-factor going against him, and again, he's too ridiculously strong. I just put him here so I could say that. His ONLY ONLY ONLY possible chance is because he's an antogonist character. That gives him a 1% chance, with me being generous.

Verdict - 1%

As for all other non-lords: 0%

So overall, Ike definitely has a FE slot. Fire Emblem can have anywhere from 2 to 4 slots, practically speaking. Also, Marth will definitely be guaranteed if 3 or 4 slots are there. So given that, here are the most possible lineups in my opinion (1 being the most likely in each case):

Two slots
1. Ike and Marth
2. Ike and Sigurd
3. Ike and Lyn

Three slots

1. Ike, Marth, Sigurd
2. Ike, Marth, Lyn
3. Ike, Marth, Micaiah
4. Ike, Marth, Roy
5. Ike, Marth, Sothe

Four slots
1. Ike, Marth, Sigurd, Lyn
2. Ike, Marth, Sigurd, Roy
3. Ike, Marth, Sigurd, Micaiah
4. Ike, Marth, Roy, Sigurd
5. Ike, Marth, Sigurd, Sothe

 

[Numa Dude]

What about black knight he is Ike's rival and should get in with Ike.

I think the lineup should be Ike,black knight,sothe, and I don't care who the 4th person is.

 

[some_jerk]

Sigurd should be an alternate costume for Marth or Ike instead of being his own character.

 

[Anti Guy]

What about black knight he is Ike's rival and should get in with Ike.

I think the lineup should be Ike,black knight,sothe, and I don't care who the 4th person is.

As with all non-lords: 0%

The Black Knight is too lame (not much character except for his intense aura of mystery) and beastly to be a playable character in SSBB, and he definitely can't compete with the other lords. The only way he has a chance of getting in is if they give every character a villain/rival, such as Bowser and Ganondorf. Otherwise, no.

 

[Chidosengan]

This is all pretty much your opinions.

Many will disagree with you on Lyn. She wasn't all "co-star", she's the very first character you take control in the first Fire Emblem ever released worldwide, she has some significance. She's also pretty popular worldwide (not much as Ike though) Has the most chance of the FE7 trio.

Sothe wasn't very popular for PoR, and wouldn't work much as advertisement for Fire Emblem: Goddess of Dawn since its coming out in 4 days from now. Also considering Micaiah is the center main character, meaning the story will focus more on her.

The Sakurai poll meant squat. You can't take anything that has Link's Uncle (from a Link to the Past) and the guy from Brain Age as considerations for playable characters seriously. Plus it was japan-only.

For everything else, I pretty much agree with you.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Hmmm yes this is a very intressting thread, and I'm hoping this will be a sucess however I think your giving Sigurd far more credit than he deserves.

Yes Sigurd has been a personal favorite of Sakurai, however he didn't added him when he had the change to. Sigurd is still a populair character in Japan yes, but now since Fire Emblem is world wide I think they will now add a Fire Emblem character which we the Westerns also know.

Sigurd might still be populair, but Sakurai's list of characters states that Ike is now more requested, thus more populair. And since PoR is the first 3D Fire Emblem, a good game also known in the West, and will get a sequel on the Wii itself (the console where Brawl is gonna be at might you've forgotten XD ) I think it's very likely that Ike will get the spot originally ment for Sigurd as the "partner" of Marth and the replacement of Roy.

We still don't know Ike's role in FE:10, or that he even will appear in the game... But it all seems pretty likely since ALOT of less important characters are returning aswell (YAY for Devdan not being useless!! ^^ ) so why not the main hero of the previous game??

Sigurd's role never was too big if I'm correct, yet he got imensly populair... Strange folks the Japanse. And as you said, there can't be too much blue haired Lord in Brawl. Since I believe Marth will also return, and Ike will be there too I say that Sigurd's changes have dropped... alot.

Also I'd like to point out that the caslte stage from the trailers are NOT Castle Daein, since the emblems don't match. The emblem on the flags resamble a black dragon, which I believe might be the "Dragon of Darkness" in the story of Marth's game. Also, wasn't Marth also more populair than Sigurd when Melee wasn't released yet?

But yeah, IF the castle is from FE4 as you said... Sigurd's changes ARE very high!

I'm not too sure about Micaiah and/or Sothe. Yes, they are the main characters of FE10, but so is Elincia! Only in the second part of the game... Micaiah, Sothe and Elincia are in my opinion alot like Eliwood, Lyn and Hector since I'm pretty sure both stories will fuse later in Elincia's part of FE10... Thus decrasing all 3 the character's changes, even though I'd like to see either of them.

 

[Deleted member]

I saw this on Gamefaqs, and I will post the same as I did there: Ephraim, Ike, Hector, Leaf and Marth.

Any one would satisfy me, but Leaf just owns because of his weird brown hair.

 

[Tera253]

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Roy?
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Lyn and Hector have a low chance? with fanbases like those? heh, with Ike as an obvious exception, they're 2 and 3 (unsure about order) since this excludes Marth and Roy.

~Tera253~

 

[Diddy Kong]

Ohh and as an add-on to my previous post: I do agree with the guy that said Sigurd would be a good costume for Marth, since they do look alike alot. Same with Roy and Ike though, I hope they'll make a red costume for Ike based on Roy, since he'd be his replacement and all...

 

[digifreak642]

I know almost no one will agree with my opinion, but I doubt that more than one new Fire Emblem character will be added. Here is my reasoning:

Fire Emblem already has 2 characters, which DK has 1, Yoshi has 1, Earthbound has 1, F-Zero has 1, Metroid has 2, Star Fox has 2, and Kirby has 2.

Since many think that Roy will be axed, I will use that scenario. If Roy got axed and two characters got added, lets say Ike and Sigurd, then Fire Emblem would have 3 characters. Now, unless you add 1-2 characters to every franchise above, you are saying that Fire Emblem is more important than Metriod, Kirby, DK, and Star Fox.

Fire Emblem is not considered to be one of Nintendo's top franchises. When people think of Nintendo, Fire Emblem isn't the first or even the second thing to come to mind.

I wouldn't be hugely suprised if more than one character was added, I just don't see the logic in it.

 

[Anti Guy]

I agree that out of the FE7 lords, Lyn has the best chance. And actually, she'd be next in line after the main four I picked. But as a whole, those 3 don't really compete as much with the others... Their only saving grace is that they have more influence in America and elsewhere. We'll see how much Sakurai takes that into consideration.

Different costumes isn't a bad idea... it'd just be awkward to hear "Sigurd" with an adolescent voice. XD Also, the Tyrfing would be much stronger than the Falchion (I think. Don't quote me on that.), so his style would be more Roy-esque... if they even did give Sigurd his Tyrfing.

As for the flags, I've taken snapshots so you can compare.

There's the flag from the outside castle level. I changed the brightness and contrast in one of the pictures, but overall, it's really hard to tell what it is. Something circular, with things sticking out at, at best. Could be a dragon, who knows, but wait:

Here's Daein's crest. ALMOST circular, but with the blurriness of the pictures, you wouldn't be able to see a full circle. Also, it has things sticking out as well, along with the black on red background. Also, it resembles a dragon. Hmm...

Now as for the indoor castle stage...

There's a picture of that. Black on red background again, but completely different flag. Looks like something with wings. Now take a look at the Velthomer family's insignia:

Definitely something winged, and black on red as well. The only difference, really, is that the one in SSBB isn't symmetrical, and could possibly be the side-view of the same bird. After all, the Velthomer insignia has been represented differently in various illustrations.

Any other thoughts?

 

[LukeFonFabre]

I don't know about Sigurd. He is very popular in Japan, but there are 3 blue haired swordsman that could be chosen, and both Ike and Marth take priority over him IMO, and at times I wonder if both of them will get in together. I also haven't heard any of the older FE games getting introduced outside Japan through VC yet, so I don't think Sigurd will become known worldwide anytime soon. Nothing against him personally, but even if we do get 3+ FE reps, I'd rather there be a bit more variety than 3 blue haired swordsmen. That and I don't think Sakurai wants to alienate international audiences too much, so I can't see him adding a Japanese only character over an internationally known equivalent (Marth is still internationally known despite the fact his game hasn't come out outside Japan). All in all, I have to disagree that Sigurd would replace Marth, as Marth is the more popular (or at least was the most requested FE character for melee, which is why he got in over Sigurd), and he holds more significance to the FE franchise as he was the first, and is so far the only character to have been a Lord in two games.

I also wouldn't put Hector, Ephraim and Micaiah down so quickly, as each one would introduce unique playing styles that none of the other lords really offer. Hector is really the only character out of all the nintendo characters that uses an axe as far as I know, and the closest thing to Ephraim would be Krystal, but even then they'd be very different styles. While there are probably a few mage candidates out there, magic is such a huge part of FE that Micaiah's magical moveset would really help rep that. Sakurai has said he prefers more unique characters than simply popular ones, so I'd say they all have a fairly good chance.

Sothe is an unusual character in that he was largely unpopular in one game due to being unable to be premoted and has somehow become a lord in the next one (I'm guessing the reason he couldn't premote has something to do with GoD). Also, seeing as GoD will come out long before brawl (unless brawl's released in the next two days), the advertisement arguement can't really be used, and I doubt Sakurai would do it again just because he did it with Roy. He has a good chance, but I'm not sure if the reception to him in PoR is positive enough to allow it unless he really makes up for it in GoD.

Lyn, as much as I love her, doesn't have a great a chance as many (including myself) would like her to have. The only things she has going for her is her fanbase outside Japan, she's a female swordsman and that it's fairly easy to make her unique from other swordsman due to her style. But FE7 wasn't as well recieved in Japan, which really hurts her chances, and the only way I can see her getting in is if Sakurai decides to add an FE character for the international fanbase alone. However, between her and Erika I'd say she has the advantage, as from what I can tell Erika doesn't seem to have that much of a fanbase at all, and to me seems to have been completely overshadowed by her brother. Though that still doesn't give Lyn that much of a boost, as Micaiah still seems to be the most likely female character.

For Celice and Leaf I know little about them, but Sigurd seems so much popular than either of them that I wouldn't give them a high chance of making into brawl. IMO, Sigurd is really the only Japanese only lord I can see getting in.

Roy's a controversial one. His game marked the rebirth of the series and the fact he is in melee gives him a good reason to stay. But he doesn't seem to be terribly popular overall, and while the sword of seals could give him a very different moveset, it seems that the majority of people already think he's gone and should be replaced by another FE character. I liked playing as Roy in melee, but I'm not sure if he deserves to stay and stop another worthy FE character getting in.

On the subject of non-lord characters, I'm not sure if they have good chances or not. Because the FE games all have a different cast of characters, I'm not sure if it's fair for any FE game to get more than one rep, and obviously the lord of that game takes priority. So I think even popular characters like Ira (FE4), Soren and Black Knight (both PoR) have slim chances simply because I don't think they'll get in before Sigurd and Ike (though I've heard many people say that if Ike gets in then so does Black Knight, but that logic is lost on me). That's why I'd probably agree that we'll only be seeing Lords as potential characters. Granted with only a maximum of 4 slots not every game will get a rep, so Sakurai will have to pick what he thinks will be the best characters from the series that'll be fun to play as.

Frankly, I can't really say what the most likely line ups are, though I'd like to think we'll be getting at least 3 slots for FE characters, and I'd like to think that they won't be dominated by blue haired swordsman.

Edit: man I took too long writing that. I forgot about Elincia as well, though she hasn't really been given the limelight like Sothe and Micaiah has for some odd reason, which leads me to believe her chances are lower than those two.

to digifreak642, I kind of feel that the fact that FE already got more characters than DK, Metroid and Kirby and the same as Starfox that Sakurai feels that it deserves that much rep. Also, you can't forget how popular FE is in Japan, and the only reason it's not one of the first things people associate with Nintendo outside Japan is because the series was only introduced internationally only a few years ago. If it had been released worldwide from the start, then it most likely would be one of the first things that come to mind when thinking of Nintendo.

And to be fair, the first and second (and third) things that come to mind when thinking of Nintendo are Mario, Zelda and Pokemon anyway.

 

[Anti Guy]

Actually, I rescind my statement on the flags. Both flags from the trailer are one and the same. The one in the indoor castle level is the same as the outside's, but the bottom is ripped off. Yeah, it does resemble a dragon a lot... Does anyone have pictures of similar flags from FE1/3?

EDIT: The more I think about it, the more it looks like a dragon (with wings or something). This makes the Velthomer possibility even better.

http://eaichu250.superbusnet.com/feartwork/TCG-Scans/fe5-an-005.jpg

If you look at the TCG scans of FE4/5 characters, anyone with a family insignia will have the two animals on the side. The animals vary from country to country (with them being "dragon" animals, I think, for the Grandbell duchies, dragons for Thracia, pegasi for Silesia, etc.), but they all have the same base, which is very close to the flag in the trailer. Just change the colors, and add wings.

 

[Chidosengan]

Well, everyone has different opinions. Let me try to put them all in a nutshell.

Marth
Pros:
-First lord ever
-Popular character in Melee

Cons:
-Could be replace by any male FE sword wielding lord.

FE 2 Lords
Pros:
-Not much that I know, help needed.

Cons:
-Who are they?
-Japan-only
-Not very popular AT ALL

Sigurd
Pros:
-Most Popular
-Was meant to be in both previous Smash Bros.

Cons:
-Japan-only
-Newer characters, especially those released worldwide, are getting better popularity
-Not very known elsewhere

Cecile
Pros:
-Moderately popular in Japan.

Cons:
-Not very popular as everyone else.
-Not very known elsewhere
-Japan-onlly

Leaf
Pros:
-Not much that I know, help needed.

Cons:
-Not very popular in Japan
-Not very known elsewhere
-Unsuccessful game

Roy
Pros:
-Popular character in Melee

Cons:
-Clone
-Unsuccessful game
-Not very popular in Japan
-can be replaced by any male FE sword wielding lord
-game was Japan-only

Lyn
Pros:
-First lord outside Japan
-First female lord ever
-Popular internationally
-Female characters needed in SSBB

Cons:
-Not very popular in Japan

Eliwood
Pros:
-Roy look alike

Cons:
-Not very popular in Japan
-Not very popular elsewhere

Hector
Pros:
-First axe lord
-Very unique character
-Popular internationally

Cons:
-Not very popular in Japan

Erika
Pros:
-More females needed in SSBB
-Could replace Marth/Roy for similar fighting style

Cons:
-Not very popular
-Comes from an unpopular game

Ephraim
Pros:
-First spear lord
-Very unique character

Cons:
-Not very popular
-Comes from an unpopular game

Ike
Pros:
-Very popular internationally

Cons:
-Not much that I know, help needed


As for the FE10 kids, 1 of the 3 might get a chance for being the recent characters, but I'm no t sure if that will give them the cut. We just gonna have to wait a couple of days to see what the Japanese think about them.

 

[EnFerris]

Well, I feel pretty strongly that the Fire Emblem lineup should be Marth, Hector, and Ephraim. The Sword/Axe/Spear dynamic was important in the only Fire Emblem game I've plaed (PoR) and I've asked around and it's aparently classic. Therefore I suggest that Smash includes a sword, an axe, and a spear lord. However, I'm not a stickler that Marth be the sword lord, I just thinik it would be handy because of his current place in smash. Moreover, he could be replaced by Sigurd, Ike and other sword lords AND they could change the voices. It wouldn't be that hard. I dunno, but as long as we get the weapon trifecta, I'm satisfied.

 

[SuichimoTheDragoon]

Here is the characters I want and what they did for their series that should allow them to be in.

Marth(FE1/3):

-Nothing needs to be said for this one.

Sigurd(FE4):

-Introduced Skills
-Introduced the Love System
-Introduced Dark Magic
-Introduced the Leadership System
-Introduced Heritage System
-Some characters could use both weapons and magic
-Second highest selling game

Roy(FE6):

-Most used magic system
-First portable Lord
-First ranged divine weapon
-End of an Era
-Rebirth
-Third highest selling game

Right there are the three Lords who represent the most that has been done for the series. But I'm not finished. I strongly believe Fire Emblem should get four characters because of its longevity and size, its been around for about 17 years and will have its 10th game on Feb. 22.

Lyn(FE7):

-First international Lord

Ike(FE9)

-First 3D Lord
-First Lord of non-noble birth


Now with so many swordsmen/women you might think they would all be like each other. Really the only thing that would make them like each other is the fact that they wield a sword. The rapier is a much more slender and agile sword than something like a great sword or a katana. The great sword doesn't really have much maneuverability to it but it has power behind it. The katana is somewhere in between it has swift and strong strikes along with maneuverability.

This would pretty much mean Marth wouldn't fight the same as Roy or Lyn, Roy wouldn't fight the same as Marth or Lyn, and Lyn wouldn't fight the same as Marth or Roy.


Sigurd is a different beast completely. I think of him as a lance user as that is the first weapon he has equipped when you get him. So he shouldn't have a fighting style near that of anyone elses.

 

[Anti Guy]

Actually, I take back my high predictions with Sothe because Sakurai said something about not using survival knives with Snake. I'm assuming the same would apply to Sothe (really, I think all these weapon restrictions are rather ********, but oh well), so that just makes Micaiah and Lyn's chances higher.

Now the question is: Would they include BOTH Ike and Micaiah? That seems to put a lot of emphasis on the Tellius side of FE. But Micaiah would also add a different kind of playstyle (but how exactly would she work? Zelda-esque?)

Alternatively, they could choose Marth, Sigurd, Lyn, and Ike. Aside from Magvel and whereever FE2 was, that would represent each of the FE worlds. That is, of course, they do use 4 FE characters...

 

[Flint]

Marth has some really big chances to return, not only he was the first Lord in the series, he is also the only Lord to be the Main character of 2 FIRE EMBLEM GAMES! (1 and 3)So I think he is pretty much sure to return. As for every one else lets wait and see...

 

[BurningCrusader777]

There's been a lot of debate on the GameFAQs SSBB boards about this, too. So far, most people on that site are really seeing Marth, Ike, and Sigurd as the 3 most likely candidates. However, Hector and Lyn haven't been count out yet. Roy is pretty much guaranteed to be axed, mainly because he was an advertisement for an upcoming game (and he was a clone). As for anyone besides those, I haven't heard anything, though I haven't been on the GFAQs Brawl Boards for a while.

Anyway, my personal opinion is that, yes, Marth, Ike, and Sigurd (and EITHER Hector or Lyn) would get in. Problem with that is overpopulation for a series that isn't exactly the best known in the world :/

For me, as long as Marth and Ike get in, I won't mind. It'd be great to have what I have above, but hey, life hates me like that >_<

 

[Ferro De Lupe]

From what I know of the FE Lords:

Ike - Most recent, extremly popular (for some reason I'm not seeing), second Lord to appear in more than one game, sword user.

Hector - Axe Lord guarentees a different moveset, popular, axe user.

Lyn - First female Lord (which would technically make her a Lady), popular, sword user

Marth - Very first Lord, only Lord (other than Ike) to appear in more than one game, sword user

Sigurd - Popular, mounted unit(?), sword user(?)

Going by this formula:

Hector is my number one FE choice (or at least number one from the Lords) simply because he has an axe...not a sword.

After Hector, Marth definately... He started the series, and thus, is the most worthy of them all.

Then Lyn as the first Lady.

Then Ike (though Nephenee, Soren, and Rolf are SOOO much better) because he was the first in 3-D and he is the newest kid on the block.

Sigurd just doesn't seem to be bringing much to the table...or, at least, not in my opinion.

(Please note: I have only played FE: PoR. All opinions I have are credited to the information gathered from what multiple websites.)

 

[The_Corax_King]

I disagree with Eliwood being more popular than Lyn...

Perhaps they will release earlier FE games on the VC before SSBB...
If so then that would improve many lords' chances of making it in...

Right now though I would say Marth, Lyn, and Sothe (maybe Sigurd since he seems so beloved).

I still want roy to return

 

[parrothead]

Here are more Pros and Cons for Marth and the FE 2 Lords.

Marth

Pros:

*First FE Lord to appear in an anime, based on the titles he appeared in, which was also released internationally. The voice actor of Marth in this anime, is the same one who did him in SSBM.
*FE3, the second title he appeared in, is the best selling FE title.
*Possible for Nintendo to release FE 1 and FE3 outside of Japan for the Virtual Consoles.
*Appeared in the first FE title of the series.
*Appeared in the first FE title for the NES/Famicom.
*Appeared in the first FE title for the SNES/SFC, which is also the first FE title released for the Virtual Console.

Cons:

*FE1 and FE3 were only released in Japan.

FE 2 Lords (Alm and Celica)

Pros:

*Alm is the first upgradable Lord.
*Celica is the first female Lord.
*Appeared in the first side story title of the series.
*Possible for Nintendo to release it outside of Japan for the Virtual Consoles.

Cons:

*Most unappreciated Lords.
*Most unappreciated Fire Emblem title.

 

[shadenexus18]

Anti Guy put Marth first in his list. I'm so proud of him. Good job.

 

[Anti Guy]

Updated my predictions based on FE10 information. Spoilers abound, so read at your own risk D:

 

[Numa Dude]

You can't use the argument the black knight is too powerful because strength in the game they came from has nothing to do with smash. If the black knight got in they would make him a slow powerhouse like ganondorf or bowser. The he's not a lord argument is bull****. Plus he is a villain which we need more of.

 

[LukeFonFabre]

I don't think that FE will get a villain character, simply because it puts a lot of emphasis on a certain game in the series. Granted he has appeared in two games now, but we also have a new set of Lords (apparently 4 plus Ike) who also deserve consideration. The fact is, they are not going to put in villain character before the respective main character, and while only Ike needs to be in for BK to have a chance, characters like Micaiah and Sothe (and maybe Elincia and Tibarn, though I haven't seen much of them in action and are less central) may beat him out. Personally, the BK doesn't interest me too much, and though I admit he looks cool, he doesn't strike me as being that likely.

But for the overpowered argument, I'm sure Mewtwo would agree with you there. It also would mean that Ike shouldn't get in, because he's a beast himself.

 

[Anti Guy]

By overpowered, I mean only Ragnell can pierce his armor -- even Mewtwo and Ike can be beaten normally. And he should be even heavier than Bowser, with all that armor. Along with the other reasons I've mentioned, the Black Knight is just not really gonna make it in.

And as for villains, there're very few of them to begin with in Melee. That spot is pretty much only reserved for the classic, timeless villains, like Bowser and Ganondorf. (Mewtwo isn't really a villain, but he is the most recognized uber and badass Pokemon. The Black Knight isn't.

 

[Kojy]

My hopes Are the line up is
Sigurd and Ike
i dont really care about Marth, but he is indeed a popular melee character
maybe all 3 will be in Brawl
if Sigurd Makes it, i think he will have moderate speed and Strenght, thus, a balanced character, but for God sakes, nintengo, GIVE SIGURD TYRFING!

 

[Diddy Kong]

I wouldn't get my hopes down on Roy yet...

It's true that Roy was only added in Melee for advertising FE6, and even though the game never was released never out of Japan but he's still a very good Elibe representive who's still known all over the world cause of SSBM. He could easly be uncloned and because he also was in Melee I think he should gain atleast priority over Lyn, Eliwood (who even wants him in? XD) and around a tie with Hector, since he's easly the most populair worldwide of the 3 FE7 lords.

Also, why would the Black Knight be overpowered? Sure, his armor can only be pierced by Ragnell, but wasn't it the same issue with Ganondorf and the Master Sword? Yes, he wears alot of armor but I don't think he'd be heavier than Bowser... Perhaps slightly heavier than Ganondorf but lighter than DK. Give him alot of lag, and sucky recovery and he's pretty much fixed... Still I don't think his roles in both FE9 and FE10 are big enough to give him a character spot in Brawl... Ike really is enough for Tellius representives.

Funny thing I once did in PoR was shoving the Black Knight away in Ch.11 with Mordecai's Smite ability... Good thing I was almost finished with the Chapter otherwise he'd kill my Zihark... again for the 3rd time in a row. ._.;

 

[Anti Guy]

I wouldn't get my hopes down on Roy yet...

It's true that Roy was only added in Melee for advertising FE6, and even though the game never was released never out of Japan but he's still a very good Elibe representive who's still known all over the world cause of SSBM. He could easly be uncloned and because he also was in Melee I think he should gain atleast priority over Lyn, Eliwood (who even wants him in? XD) and around a tie with Hector, since he's easly the most populair worldwide of the 3 FE7 lords.

Also, why would the Black Knight be overpowered? Sure, his armor can only be pierced by Ragnell, but wasn't it the same issue with Ganondorf and the Master Sword? Yes, he wears alot of armor but I don't think he'd be heavier than Bowser... Perhaps slightly heavier than Ganondorf but lighter than DK. Give him alot of lag, and sucky recovery and he's pretty much fixed... Still I don't think his roles in both FE9 and FE10 are big enough to give him a character spot in Brawl... Ike really is enough for Tellius representives.

Funny thing I once did in PoR was shoving the Black Knight away in Ch.11 with Mordecai's Smite ability... Good thing I was almost finished with the Chapter otherwise he'd kill my Zihark... again for the 3rd time in a row. ._.;

You can't use the argument the black knight is too powerful because strength in the game they came from has nothing to do with smash. If the black knight got in they would make him a slow powerhouse like ganondorf or bowser. The he's not a lord argument is bull****. Plus he is a villain which we need more of.

Omg, I'm pretty sure that huge set of armor is heavier than an ape. Overall, he might not be heavier than Bowser, but he sure as hell can't jump. Bowser's weight is all part of his body, so he can move around. Same with DK. Ganondorf isn't really that heavy to begin with. The BK, on the other hand, is a man inside armor. I'll say it again -- you can't jump. Not only that, what would metal Black Knight be? Wait, he's already metal!

And again, he's not a Nintendo "All-Star" at all. He isn't the star of any series (which is how even characters more obscure than him, like the Ice Climbers, can get in), nor is he a classic recurring villain of a series.

For everyone who think the Black Knight will be in Brawl...

HE WON'T.

If you want him to be in, that's a different story. It's reality vs. wishing here. This is a prediction topic, not a wish topic. And if you want me to debate other non-lord characters (like Soren, who deosn't have a chance, because Micaiah is also from Tellius and is a mage... and is a LORD), then go ahead. But I can bet you my soul and tomato that only lords will make it to represent Fire Emblem.

 

[Numa Dude]

Now your pulling reasons out of your ***. He cant jump because he has armor? Thats a terrible reason, and about that metal argument we don't even know if metal blocks will even come back and if they do then metal Black knight would just look like all of the other metal characters.

I'm okay if you personally don't want him to be in for whatever reason but don't start saying that he won't be in for a bunch of stupid reasons that you make up. The only argument that you presented that is any good is the not a nintendo all star one. I'm not saying that he will get in what I'm saying is he has a chance. I personally want him in but I'm not so crazy about him that I think he will get in no matter what.

To sum it all up yes HE COULD get in but on the other hand he could not get in. It could go either way.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Omg, I'm pretty sure that huge set of armor is heavier than an ape. Overall, he might not be heavier than Bowser, but he sure as hell can't jump. Bowser's weight is all part of his body, so he can move around. Same with DK. Ganondorf isn't really that heavy to begin with. The BK, on the other hand, is a man inside armor. I'll say it again -- you can't jump. Not only that, what would metal Black Knight be? Wait, he's already metal!

Yes, the Black Knight is indeed as you said a man in a huge set of armor. I believe that Donkey Kong could easly be heavier than him, because he's a huge gorilla with alot of muscles. In Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance, the Laguz and horsemen are al heavier than generic armor knights, generals and even the Black Knight... And seeing as DK would be alot more powerful than the everyday gorilla, thus being heavier I wouldn't say that it would look unrealistic if he was heavier than the Black Knight.

And I'm pretty daymn sure that the Black Knight COULD jump if he was in Brawl, cause ANY character could. At first I also couldn't believe that Bowser was able to lift his fat arse from the ground, but he still could. In PoR, Ranulf also mentoined how fast the Black Knight moved for a man in so much armor... So I say that the armor also wouldn't affect his ability to jump, still it's pretty guranteed that he wouldn't jump too high though. =/

But yeah, his changes are very low and I don't even really know if I want him in the first place.

 

[the_air_up_there7]

Will marth make it back?

 

[Chidosengan]

Will marth make it back?

Quite possibly, but we don't know. We can't give him a 100% "yes he will be there", but more of a 70-80% "he can comeback, but he could be replaced, unfortunately."

 

[BurningCrusader777]

As for BK, the only reason I would see for him not to be valid is over-emphasis of Tellius. See, putting in a villain from a game means that the game is highly important, e.g. Bowser from Mario, and Ganondorf from LoZ. It could be done with those because that character was the main villain whole series, thus HAL didn't risk over-emphasis of any of the games. Putting in BK would (well, probably) end in a bunch of ranting from people who say that there are better villains (Heh, *imagines some n00b ranting about how the Fire Dragon in FE7 should be in SSBM*) in FE. I mean, just as an example, Nergal could get in (... as if.). People would say that he's a mage, and thus have a better chance because of that and etc.

Okay, there ends that part.

BK could very well get into SSBM, because nothing, aside from the above reason, is holding him back. Most people seem to really like him, and the game (FE9) itself gives enough combat info about BK for a moveset to be formulated. Thus, the creators wouldn't have to waste time making up moves for him. Just as an example, his B moveset could be something like:

B : Luna : 30% dmg, high lag : This move breaks shields instantly, and if a shield was broken, BK immediately does a second swipe that does 20% damage.
<>B: Critical Strike : 12% dmg, two hits (total 24% dmg) : BK stabs into the enemy and slashes out. The first hit stuns the opponent into place, and the second has un-techable knockdown.
vB: Armor of Althea : 5% dmg, counter : BK's armor glows for 2.5 to 3 seconds, and the next attack that hits BK while under this effect is countered with high stun.
^B: Althea's Door : 0% dmg, recovery : BK turns to face you, and puts his sword in the ground (or air...). He then teleports a long distance in the chosen direction.

Now, to explain the moveset:
Luna : It's one of his attack skills in the game that cuts enemy defense in half. It is translated into a shield breaking attack in Brawl. And of course, being very powerful, it has lag similar to Falcon Punch/Warlock Punch.
Critical Strike: IIRC, this is how BK kills Greil in the forest. He stabs him through the chest, pulls out the sword swiftly, and Greil falls dead. The fall is translated into long term knockdown that is un-techable in Brawl.
Armor of Althea: Obvious enough. His armor, in FE9, is unpiercable by anything except Laguz fangs/claws/beaks/flames and Legendary Weaponry (e.g. Ragnell, Rexbolt). So, this is a counter-defense that gives off low damage but massive stun (heck, if you struck a lead wall with a sword, you would be reeling back with recoil).
Althea's Door: It's not called this in the game, (it has no name, IIRC) but BK has the power to teleport from and to the Daein castle at will. This distance is translated into long recovery, but laggy startup, as it is in FE9.

Also, being a villain, many people would want to see him in. He also seems to have a good build for the game, being heavy and powerful, making him a likely candidate to be a powerhouse and/or tank character like Bowser and Ganondorf. Strange, I never realized how tankish the villains were in Melee >_<

Well, that's all I have to say.

 

[LukeFonFabre]

After a bit of thinking, I've just realized that Sakurai might give more rep to the Tellius games. Why? Well Sakurai said he didn't want to include many Japan only characters, and seeing as FE has had games released internationally now, he's probably cautious about alienating everywhere else by including Japanese Lords. They may still get in, but only Marth and Sigurd have any kind of chance. However, Sakurai doesn't want to upset the Japanese fans either, and seeing how FE7 and FE8 didn't do so well over there, adding characters from those games would most likely upset the Japanese fans. So that leaves PoR (FE9) and GoD (FE10). PoR is very popular in Japan and internationally, so including characters from there would appease both areas. GoD is still quite new, but as it's a sequel to PoR it's possible we might get a character from there, and seeing as brawl doesn't look like it'll come out anytime soon, the characters will be familiar enough to warrant an addition. But like I said, Sakurai could add more than one character from the Tellius games as they are the only ones that won't upset either Japan or international audiences.

Whether this would give BK a better chance is uncertain, as it still gives a lot more overall emphasis to Tellius by adding an actual villain from their games that Sakurai might still want to avoid. That and I really don't think FE needs a villain to help represent the franchise, as there really isn't one who represents the villains well enough on their own. Though BK is clearly the one they'll add if Sakurai does believe the series needs a villain rep.

 

[Konuk]

By overpowered, I mean only Ragnell can pierce his armor -- even Mewtwo and Ike can be beaten normally. And he should be even heavier than Bowser, with all that armor. Along with the other reasons I've mentioned, the Black Knight is just not really gonna make it in.

And as for villains, there're very few of them to begin with in Melee. That spot is pretty much only reserved for the classic, timeless villains, like Bowser and Ganondorf. (Mewtwo isn't really a villain, but he is the most recognized uber and badass Pokemon. The Black Knight isn't.

Ya know..... Im beting that Black Knight is gonna be in Becuase of the level *Dein Castle* i mean who else really put a stabbing in you than BK in the game he desrves to be in the game there just not gonna make him Over Powered by some armor lest you forgot Mario can beat anyone, Samus Can beat anyone, Fox can beat anyone ETC becuase its a game where you say " wtf pichu killed Ganondorf, and Ganondork ids the badest Muthaf**** in Da world" <.< Never EVER say that in a game where you fight unorthadox

 

[Brawlmatt202]

That's a nice line-up!

I suspect that MArth and either Ike or Sothe will be in Brawl, but that's just me.

 

[Komayto]

Hmm...

Well, I'd actually say Marth has the best chance. After all, he is the first Lord and still the only character to be a Lord in more than one game.
Next comes Ike, who is very popular worldwide and from a pretty recent game. Huge chances here.
There's also Sigurd, but despite his popularity and overall awesomeness I sort of doubt it. Marth and Ike both have great chances and I doubt we'll have three blue-haired swordsmen running around.

If they do decide to include two characters from one FE universe (it is very possible, though I doubt it), I'm certain that the universe would be Tellius and the second character would be Micaiah, not any random non-Lord character. After all, she is the main character of GoD, which is the most recent Fire Emblem.
It's pretty obvious that Ike would be in before her, but I'm just giving her a sort of a...honorable mention here as she's far more likely than someone like the Black Knight who has been talked about quite a lot in this thread.

Yeah, those four characters are really the only ones I think have considerable chances due to the other games being unpopular either in Japan or out of it. I'm pretty sure we'll get Marth and Ike though.

 

[Pure of Heart]

I hope they don't take Marth or Roy out. Marth is after all, the face of FE almost, seeing as how he was in the very first FE game, and was the main character. (I think? Correct me if i'm wrong.) But I still want Roy to return overall, since he has gotten pretty popular since he has got a spot in Melee. Actually I think all characters deserve to return. But that's just me.

My hopes: Marth, Sigurd, Roy, and if a fourth, Lyn.