Toonami Mafia - Adult Swim Edition - The sun has risen!

[#HBC | marshy]

And that's the part where I'd point out that most people never consider the other side of things. If I'm to blame for the martyr complex - which I'm not even gonna deny - then at least people should have the decency to admit that the reason for lynching me was a complete joke.

Now here's my question: why will people not admit it? Because they are tools. As long as they're on the side with the majority they think they are right and feel safe. That's their excuse for not considering everything, for not questioning themselves all the time. How can I correctly point out two scumbags within two Days of playing and still be the "bad" guy? Because I'm not a tool, because I use my own brain - the majority doesn't like that!

I question everything I do three times and whenever I'm on the same side as the majority I ask myself WHY. In virtually every game I play I manage to point out at least 2 out of 4 scumbags, often before everybody else does. But at the end of the game I'm still the bad guy and it's not because I'm scummy or not scummy but because I don't follow their conventional ways. That's why I'm more successful at finding scum than anybody else. But people will always find a reason to not like me because I often don't go with what the majority wants. So at the end of the game people will start to talk down on me for playing bad when I've pointed out two scumbags in two Days and say it was my fault for getting lynched when I've done nothing wrong [in this particular case - I'm not saying it's always the majority's fault when I get lynched]. That's the story from my point of view. But you know, *they* are the majority so I bet they would never consider my words and just continue to believe that me doing my thing is wrong just because THEY can't handle it.

Call me arrogant for posting that last paragraph but at this point it's a plain fact that my track record of finding scum is probably the best in dGames alongside EE's. I understand that I need to work on my tone and will do so from now on. But I will not budge to the majority just because they don't like that I don't follow their conventional rules.

yo im a slave

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

you're all just bleating sheep who decided to lynch me i hope you all learn from this

MvP:

 

[Kantrip]

Thanks for the kind words EE and OS.

This game was really fun except for the part where soup hates me in every game we play ever.

My role created an anonymous (I can use any alias) quicktopic with a player, then I could also choose to redirect any actions they took that Night to a target of my choice. Basically to be used as a redirector, but I had plans of misdirection with the QT ability. Might've tried things like posing as the MOD in the QT and "mod confirming" things such as me being town to my neighbour, etc. I also wanted to bus my partners into the ground just because it was fun to call them scum.

Basically didn't expect soup would be the Day killer and so thought butting heads with him wouldn't be a problem in this game because I felt really confident going against him. I could've even redirected him if he was a NIGHT killer. But no, he had to be a Daykilling indy with a vendetta against Kantplay.

Stupid Raz claiming right away and making it near impossible to lynch him thereby rendering our faction useless.

 

[KevinM]

Holy **** did I carry this game, you're welcome everyone else.

 

[Raziek]

Stupid Raz claiming right away and making it near impossible to lynch him thereby rendering our faction useless.

At the time, I was talking on Skype with Ryker and Laundry and I said, "This could go horribly horribly wrong. **** IT LET'S DO THIS!"

No regrets.

 

[Kantrip]

That feel when you build every GP10 item and itemize so hard for late game but then bot feeds Vayne and it's all in vain.

The feel of this game when soup killed me after all my work of being not aligned with Asdioh and TBG.

 

[ranmaru]

Ranmaru - Still buttangered about your low investment in this game particularly when you were a D2 replacement and had already done a full read of the game. There was really no reason for the laziness you showed and it's not like the game wasn't plagued enough by inactivity. That said I appreciate you not ruining the game by replacing out, and I felt like my extensive interrogation of you on D4 was helping me understand you. I came out of that thinking you were town. Investment issues aside, you actually played really well in terms of stances and reads. Apparently your skepticism about your aa case in lieu of Gheb's death was right, and the people you refocused on (after BSL) were good. I'm glad you listened to me about TBG and that was a good call on Asdioh's play. A very good one, actually. Still don't get why you expressed dislike of the "1v1 me noob" statement tho when the townsdioh reason to vote there was super obvious and ... not "1v1 me noob", lmao, but I get it. You were gutting distancing on the vote and you were right. Pointing that out is what made me realize that asdioh's vote meant nothing, too, since soup was about to get executed. All in all I think you're getting a lot better at targeting people for valid reasons and noticing valid reasons early enough to do something about them.

There was reasons, they were just my fault. Remember all those excuses? They were legit. Sure, I could make time, and I didn't, and I'll explain why. First off, I wasn't as interested in this setup. I usually prefer simpler setups. Anyways, I saw that this needed a replacement for a long time, so I figured, why the hell not. Now then, consider this is just around the time I'm getting used to 'getting busier', meaning I had to invest less time in the earlier trasitioning periods for me. My first posts in the game, (or second) was me asking Soup some questions since I had concerns with his play. Yet, that was the only things I could post at that time, I was at work (in the lab, in downtime). My catchup, I didn't have as much time to put into it as I did with my catchup in Mass Effect.

Oh, I'm sure you would have liked the same amount of effort as I have put in in Mass Effect. I did all that on Evernote, and I was like... no **** that. Too much time, and didn't have it. Then, being busy, I have lost the momemtum in thread as well. That didn't help. I don't remember exactly why, but I probably mentioned why. :D

Now, I'm truly sorry to see your town self have to deal with my lazy ass. I respect you for going out of your way to do more work to read me, when I should have been doing more work to show that I was town. I only went on TBG because of you, who know's what I would have done. Thanks for that.

Well I did tell you that I went to re-read, only the 5 or 10 pages before that, or maybe a semi-skim hahaha. Noticed Asdioh's vote, and his vote on KevinM. I think I just got lucky though. I also think there are so many things that I get distracted with, that I fail to see the true scum. Not much distractions here as well.

I also am glad you got a town read out of your interrogation on me haha, I thought I might have been thought as scum with my agreeance to voting TBG after just saying why I wasn't really suspicious of him. (Along with my 'forcing' of Asdioh scum) I was thinking though if I did get lynched, that you'd might be able to see what I was saying and wasn't really trying to be opportunistic/shaky. :D

Ranmaru you played very well this game, moreso towards the end than the beginning. You've improved leaps and bounds over when you first started playing.

Thanks, but as I have said to EE, I think I didn't do as well as I could have, and I thank the both of you for pointing me in the right direction.

More shout outs later, as I have to sleep soon.

 

[ranmaru]

OHHHH

wait a minute I remembered something. I probably shouldn't make 'I'll post tonight" promises. They don't seem to work. xD Ok... Now I remember. Xbox live. Yeah. xD Deff will say "I'll post tommorow need to sleep NOW" promises in the future.

I have problems with procrastination.

 

[Evil Eye]

. If I'm to blame for the martyr complex - which I'm not even gonna deny - then at least people should have the decency to admit that the reason for lynching me was a complete joke.

Now here's my question: why will people not admit it? Because they are tools

...what

Okay guys, I admit I have a martyr complex, but you still lynched me for no reason and I'm blameless and you suck and you're gay and I did nothing wrong and you're tools

#martyrcomplex

#letting someone's points sail a thousand feet over my head while pretending to concede to them

I'm actually flabbergasted

 

[Evil Eye]

And yo uknow what Gheb? Now you're doing that ****ing **** Soup used to do after town losses, where he's all "I pointed out a scumbag here or there at some point, that means I did real good and it's a win in my book!!!"

Which you have ALSO chastized him for! Even though Soup at least didn't have the ****ing gall to start calling people tools and being a ****ing mafia hipster talking about how the REAL reason people suspected him was because he's just too AGAINST THE GRAIN for their MAINSTREAM SHEEPLE TOOLBAG TASTES hurhurhur #ironicglasses #scarf #latte #sweatervest

Like I have literally never seen such a savage case of utter hypocrisy in my LIFE and I lurk IMDb out of morbid curiosity so that's ****ing saying something

/giving up on tact entirely

 

[#HBC | Joker]

hurhurhur #ironicglasses #scarf #latte #sweatervest

and the beret, don't forget about the beret.

 

[Evil Eye]

Re: Lynching TOM hurting us

Actually Soup has already laid out that L was his next shot after PJB and I see no real reason the shots would have gone differently with Gheb alive given that Gheb's read on soup was "town and also a huge tool", which would have been a complete and utter disaster because someone ELSE would would have been daykilled right after my death.... including, possibly, Raziek, which would have unlocked the mafia kill.

TOM being lynchable was pretty clearly meant to be an an antitown red herring that town wisely avoided... much to Gheb's chagrin.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

I almost feel like TOM wasn't even gonna be lynchable in the original setup, and they added the vote to the votecount just to troll Gheb.

 

[Evil Eye]

Nah changing the setup after the fact is too whack even for a Bazturd game. I think it was just an homage to LoDscrew with potential disastrous consequences for town. And I will reiterate that LoDscrew's Architect lynch was a good thing because the Architect was a shifty bugger not unlike Soup's play when he was in character as Detective Prince. It was clearly meant to implant seeds of doubt. On the other hand there was nothing pointing to TOM and in fact the only indicator one way or the other of TOM's alignment (flavor, and why would you not use that in your analysis when it's all you have and mod characters are just extended flavor in the first place) showed that he was a good guy struggling against the bad guy insurrection.


And I forgot the most important shoutout of all

OS bro playing with you was great. You were the rock that kept me sane I honestly don't know if I could've done it solo. I think we complemented each other really well, a common problem I have with town hydras is that they will talk me out of good reads or into bad ones but we just kind of congealed our thoughts into one solid unit as L, with the balance of our combined thoughts and suspicions generally being correct, which is what I've been looking for all along in a hydra bro. This game also gave me a way better feel for how you play the game and I have renewed respect for it.

and it's D3 I was benchpressin' dammit D2 was Hurricane Gheb. D3 on the other hand was too sexy.

Raz you asked how you played your role and I'm sad I didn't point it out, just wanted to point out the lesson for you to learn in this game before my scatterbrained ass forgot it. You did good! Probably the absolute best anyone could have with that role actually. Claiming your role so early on locked you into "town or indy with a lowball chance of being the ballsiest scum ************ ever" and that alone made the math balance so hard to town.

Ran your attitude about this game is zen and boss. Nice to see someone take a shot of humility even after playing a good game (or good endgame at any rate), which you did.

I thought I might have been thought as scum with my agreeance to voting TBG after just saying why I wasn't really suspicious of him

At first I kinda was. I was starting to think 4man scumteam with Kantplay/TBG/BSL/Ranmaru was possible due to past connections (you provided two suspects in your big catchup, one of 'em asianaussie/BSL one of em Gheb, the latter of whom you pushed and was town), so your willingness to just drop BSL entirely (and his subsequent absence from your Can Die pool) was really grimy to me. But that's because you didn't really communicate these changes. Your answers were great and really lined up and crossed the T's so we were good. Plus that's really just more evidence of why you generally should hunt mafiats and not scumteams.

I mean it's true that you should've done more to make that not necessary, but I prefer the fact that you were THERE and willing to provide your answers, and good answers, to allow me to read you correctly. Compare that to Soup, who stood up well to interrogation but nonetheless provided more minor "urgh what" moments as it went on and you can see you def did rull well there.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

What should I have done differently EE?

 

[Evil Eye]

What was your role anyway? Were you a daycop or was that just a hilariously on point RVS thing?

and idk not died I guess you looked town to me anyway

 

[asianaussie]

sorry for bailing, sorry @ BSL (sorry i dont use skype), but **** happened here and **** started happening in real life

this was the first game of mafia for me in god knows how long, and was supposed to be filler time in the uni holidays, but after the huge delays and forum move, i realised i had hugely miscalculated the timeframe this game was to take place in, and had essentially no time to play when term booted up

and on a completely different note, all those ridiculous periods of nothing happening (especially during the nights), coupled with the 'lol-its-nighttime' out of nowhere were terrible...way to sap all my motivation, at least keep us informed if things asplode, i was actually keen on this game for a brief period, even if i somehow read indy vs scum as town vs town ugh

 

[~ Gheb ~]

There's a difference between doing it once like soup does and doing it every gogdamn game like I do.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

what's that gheb i can't hear you over the tidal wave of salt crashing down on this game

everyone move to higher ground the salt is too much

 

[Overswarm]

I've said it before and I've said it again:

Gheb, there are two skills in mafia from which all other skills branch out.

The ability to pick the right people to lynch.

The ability to convince people that you've chosen the right person to lynch.


If you somehow believe you're some scum picking savant, I feel sorry for you and you should look into analytics to try to rectify that.

But even if you were, you'd still suck because you can't convince anyone of anything, ever, and scream about fire and brimstone before you die even though it's always easier to win with you lynched anyway.

Oh, good job trying to lynch TOM

 

[Overswarm]

also also

MVP: .L-


Which I remembered by calling it "dottledash"

 

[KevinM]

MVP: KevinM

really no question

 

[Orboknown]

L mvp if anyone.

 

[KevinM]

Also serious answer to you EE is basically i had a lot of free time coming into this game and then when the game completely and totally fell apart and had like a three week night I lost all interest in actually playing the game.

It's not an excuse, it's my fault. I'm just not going to apologize for it if I go into a game expecting to play mafia and then in an already hellish game have to wait three weeks then I lose interest.

 

[Raziek]

Seconding motion for L MVP.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

MVP: .L-

 

[BSL]

L gets MVP because he was the only one playin mafia.

 

[Orboknown]

That's exactly why he deserves it. L is literally the only reason **** got done after D2, and without him the game would have been lost for town, if not completely dead altogether.

 

[Evil Eye]

Yeah I was actually gonna say "lol wat no mvp bros cmon" but....

Looking back on the game, having to drag almost every player into the game kicking and screaming to get them to play it, narrowing down D3 to two bad guys forcing one to execute the other, then getting two people that didn't want to kill the other bad guy to help do so, all the while badgering the **** out of y'all's inactive booties to get them reads on ya...

Yeah. I think we deserve it.

#justicewillprevail

 

[ranmaru]

Mvp: L

 

[Evil Eye]

or rather, we WOULD, but

MVP: KevinM

obv

 

[ranmaru]

Too late

10charizards

 

[KevinM]

or rather, we WOULD, but

MVP: KevinM

obv

Now you're gettin it doe

 

[Kantrip]

We tried to kill L so hard.

Multiple times.

GG scum no influence on numbers.

 

[Evil Eye]

Well, multishot Execution is a rather major influence, actually, but yeah... not nearly enough

also, scum QT?

 

[Kantrip]

The thing is there was no way to get a wagon building up on your slot. The Execute was great, but townies still had to want players dead for us to be able to Execute them.

http://www.quicktopic.com/49/H/QX4xZpZEhWy3 <--Scum QT, not much of interest

 

[Evil Eye]

In addition, you may redirect any action they have elected to use to a target of your choice. You must select your target before conversing with them.

oh my god

A MAFIA COCKMONGLER

AHHHHHHHHHHHH IT FINALLY HAPPENED *shudder*



also i like how you guys had a silencer power but 99% of the game's roster silenced itself willingly

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Asdioh

01-29-2013
08:54 PM ET (US) how do i play mafia

Oh, Asdioh.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

woah, this is over ?

I should read.

props to orbo for helping me get 3/4 or 2/3 scummers or whatever it was.

I drew an execution so I'm happy.

Also i never read kantrip wrong. truefacts

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

FML I don't really remember much from your play and I am sorry for this

Nah. it's cool, basically I called TBG/Kantrip and maybe was starting to get near having soup on my scum list as well.

For some reason scum thought it was a good idea to use a execution super early instead of saving it.

The fact that i drew it makes me pretty damn happy tbh, our power wasn't super useful, especially considering thread activity and what not.

Did my job, was town , got my opinions out, got killed because I'm scary and what not. Was great hydraing with Orbo again, but as EE said he shouldn't answer questions directed at me because i hadn't told him my reasoning at the time for that stuff.

I'd do shoutouts but honestly I was here for a Day.