Toonami Mafia - Adult Swim Edition - The sun has risen!

[~ Gheb ~]

You've also cruised through the game almost entirely without making any pushes or taking stances. When stuff like that doesn't stand out to anybody then I think I have all rights to complain about the lack of intelligence of certain individuals. Is it my fault that nobody takes note of your unconcerned passivity or is it theirs? I'll ask that question again when town has lost this game.

 

[.L-]

You've also cruised through the game almost entirely without making any pushes or taking stances. When stuff like that doesn't stand out to anybody then I think I have all rights to complain about the lack of intelligence of certain individuals. Is it my fault that nobody takes note of your unconcerned passivity or is it theirs? I'll ask that question again when town has lost this game.

Have you ever dated someone that said "man, all my exes were CRAZY", totally oblivious to the fact that they are the only common denominator?

That's you on DGames. Town likely has a higher chance of winning without you being present, even IF you are town.

But you have consistently pushed only put one toe in the water, constantly on a balance beam so as not to offend, moved towards other lynches in reaction to pressure on you (safe ones at that) and most importantly haven't played like Gheb. It's like you've had your testicles trimmed off or, more aptly, you're hiding a secret you don't want others to really press you on.

You seem to know more than a townie should and we gave you many opportunities to explain what that was.


I'm still going to wait on Ranmaru's choice, but you are mine.

Ranmaru, who would you lynch today if you were able to instruct us to lynch them?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

haven't played like Gheb.

Bogus ^ 2

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Yo. I'm glad there is only 17 pages even though we are in Day 2.

Mod: Do I get a few extra days to catch up?

You have until the end of tomorrow, currently. Should you need more, I may be persuaded to grant it.

 

[.L-]

Bogus ^ 2

When one person calls you a horse, you tell them they're crazy.

When two people say you're a horse, you tell them to cut it out.

When three people say you're a horse, you should probably buy a saddle.

You have until the end of tomorrow, currently. Should you need more, I may be persuaded to grant it.

@mod request deadline extension for new replacement

 

[~ Gheb ~]

When one person calls you a horse, you tell them they're crazy.

When two people say you're a horse, you tell them to cut it out.

When three people say you're a horse, you should probably buy a saddle.

Tool logic.

 

[.L-]

Tool logic.

One who lacks the mental capacity to know he is being used. A fool. A cretin. Characterized by low intelligence and/or self-esteem.

I believe the tool logic would be the person continually failing at keeping himself alive in a mafia game as any alignment and blaming everyone else's stupidity for it rather than acknowledging his own mistakes and learning from them.

There are two ways to react to defeat in any sense. One is to curl up and become resentful to others or yourself. The other is to learn from it and improve upon your mistakes.

This has been such a common path for you that I can't even feel sorry for you.

Regardless, you know more than you are letting on and have led town on some arbitrary wild goose chase, going so far as to suggest we lynch a non-player entity with no reason other than it is possible. You have pushed for a multitude of lynches and avoided confrontation; when finally confronted by myself, you responded immediately with FUD.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I believe the tool logic would be the person continually failing at keeping himself alive in a mafia game as any alignment and blaming everyone else's stupidity for it rather than acknowledging his own mistakes and learning from them./QUOTE]

A mislynch is always the town's fault.

 

[Raziek]

Gheb dead yet?

More votes. I've not intent to lick that pile of salt right now.

Though I suppose it can wait until Ran catches up.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

I believe the tool logic would be the person continually failing at keeping himself alive in a mafia game as any alignment and blaming everyone else's stupidity for it rather than acknowledging his own mistakes and learning from them./QUOTE]

A mislynch is always the town's fault.

so if I claimed scum, and town lynched me, but I flipped town, that would be town's fault and not mine?

 

[#HBC | Joker]

I mean, you're right in a way. The townie who gets mislynched is always at least partly to blame, and them being town does put town at fault...

 

[ranmaru]

@mod request deadline extension for new replacement

 

[Raziek]

@mod request deadlblahblah extensionblah

 

[#HBC | Joker]

@mod request deadline extension for new replacement

^this^

10characters

 

[TBG]

@mod request deadline extension for new replacement

Can we get some discussion aside from Gheb/I? I'm trying to get into this, but it's just hard to start. Like I said, link me to something and ask my opinion on it.

 

[BSL]

@mods: AA/BSL hydra replacing AA if that's kosher

 

[#HBC | Joker]

@mod request deadline extension for new replacement

Can we get some discussion aside from Gheb/I? I'm trying to get into this, but it's just hard to start. Like I said, link me to something and ask my opinion on it.

Well, the only topics of discussion thus far have been gheb, TOM, and you. So unless you'd like to make a push for TOM, or yourself...

The inactivity in this game is also pretty bad. Finding a new avenue for discussion would be easier if there were more people.

 

[TBG]

Well, the only topics of discussion thus far have been gheb, TOM, and you. So unless you'd like to make a push for TOM, or yourself...

The inactivity in this game is also pretty bad. Finding a new avenue for discussion would be easier if there were more people.

That would be the problem I'm referring to.

 

[Asdioh]

@mods request deedly doo extension for new replacement

God I'm being so lazy this game. Sorry.

The current playerlist:

1. Private-Joker Brown
3. Asdioh
4. asianaussie
7. KevinM
8. TBG
9. Terywj Ranmaru
10. Detective Prints
11. L (EEOS)
12. Raziek
13. Gheb_01

I don't have a scumread on Gheb. I have to admit this is largely due to meta. He's being too

Spoiler

butthurt

to be scum. If he were scum, he would be more calm and careful. As L pointed out, I'm having flashbacks to Liar game, which is the last game I've played. If he were lynched, I feel it's more likely we'd be lynching a distracting townie than scum. Oh, and I guess his claim stinks, but it still fits in with angrytowngheb.

I have absolutely no opinion on TBG, Kevin, and AA, and this is a bad thing, either on my part or theirs. If anyone has arguments on why they're scum or not, I'd be glad to listen to your reasoning. Add Ranmaru to that list of nulls, for obvious reasons.

PB&J is the only one in this game I would call a townread.

L scares me.

Detective Prints I'd say I *think* I'm leaning town on.

Raziek I have mixed feelings about. Since I obviously disagree with how strongly he's pushing Gheb, I'm not inclined to like him right now. However, he's definitely worth keeping as long as night kills continue to not happen.

@TBG: since you want something to do, how about telling me what you think of L? Has he said/done anything that left an impression on you? Or anything you want to point out after rereading his posts?

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

@mods: AA/BSL hydra replacing AA if that's kosher

Accepted.

Also deadline will be extended by 24 hours.

 

[BSL]

Ok so I'm exhausted after no sleep last night, so Imma go to bed and then talk to AA in the morning. Iirc he's on a plane or something. Hydra account will be made tomorrow as well.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

@Asdioh, as much as I enjoy the town label, I have to question why me, but not Raz? You cite the Gheb push as reason for not liking Raz, but I was definitely a part of that.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

I'd also like to make note that I'm perfectly fine with L at this point. Given that OS is a part of that hydra, I would be far more worried about them if they were actively trying to direct town. As for the EE side, I'm a little less sure on. I think EE's general style is to be this laid back, regardless of his alignment. I could be wrong, but I don't think the fact that L isn't posting up a storm is as worrisome as Gheb wants us to think it is.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

It's not that he's "not posting up a storm" but more that he hasn't done anything that worries me. It's really unfair how you blow my not anti-town push against TOM out of proportion but trivialize things like that. Do you sctually think I'm scum or do you just want me lynched because I say things you don't like to hear?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I mean, you're right in a way. The townie who gets mislynched is always at least partly to blame, and them being town does put town at fault...

So why am I accused of "not learning" for getting lynched? I've always been the one who learns the most out of mislynching somebody, whereas most people are still bad at this game because they operate under the assumption that a mislynch is not their fault and thus don't learn from it. I still track down scum a lot more reliably than almost anybody else so trying to give me a guilty conscience for playing "bad" play is dumb. I've tried to get TOM lynched and there is no big deal about it. You're blowing this out of proportion. If you lynched me over this it'd be the most guilty-free lynch ever.

Not that really matters for scumhunting anyway but it's pretty much the topic L has commented on the most toDay. Are your alarm bells ringing yet or are you going to continue lynching me over a non-tell and let actually scummy play slide?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Vote KevinM

 

[.L-]

@mod:not sure if the posted deadline is the one that was extended 24 hours for Ranmaru or the one the deadline has extended from. Either way, noon deadlines are totally stupidboners please give us evening/night deadlines dammit. Also, superbowl extension perhaps maybe? I'll settle for knowing the actual deadline and that it wasn't 4 hours ago tho

@Ran: Hurry up. This game is short and you apparently have time for pregame in Earthbound or whatever. Show some hussle because we have next to no ****ing time at all here

@BSL/AA: You guys also need to hurry up, more out of necessity than because you've been taking too long though

 

[hashtagswag]

Hydra made. Sorry it took so long to make it. I was busier than I thought.

I'd like to talk to AA about his stuff, but if there's anything specific you want my views on beforehand I'll answer.

 

[ranmaru]

I will be reading up now.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

@mod:not sure if the posted deadline is the one that was extended 24 hours for Ranmaru or the one the deadline has extended from. Either way, noon deadlines are totally stupidboners please give us evening/night deadlines dammit. Also, superbowl extension perhaps maybe? I'll settle for knowing the actual deadline and that it wasn't 4 hours ago tho

Tomorrow at midnight. I hate noon deadlines too.

 

[ranmaru]

Catch up

[COLLAPSE="Catch up"]

Thorough, precise, and dictated. I am only acquainted with my expectations, and it seems I was not wrong. I see no need for casual introduction, rather I want to declare something.

I am a hired gun, and I offer my services unto you, as long as you are willing to sacrifice your own freedoms. I am not a man of ideals, and you will not sway me with yours. I entered this game because I was intrigued, no, I was vindicated in being given the honor to face you.

Do not waste my time with your opinion of me, as I am well aware of how I perceive myself. If you truly aspire for what is best for this game, you will do exactly as I requested. I am not in this to hear you go on about trivial details, and I will not have you try and deceive other participants for your own gain. If you have nothing to hide, then this should not be a problem for you.

So, I notice Prince outing himself as a Vigilante.

Given the activity levels of the players in past games I want that gun on an inactive.

See him dead.

I don't see anything wrong with this post. Not that it's heavy, either. It seemed like he responded as if you were addressing the whole town.

I find myself intrigued also, but not for what you responded, rather what came after.

You two, Red Ryu and Rake. Why did you feel the need to chime in on our petty talk? I'm disturbed that you two jumped to conclusions merely on pregame chatter, and what you think of .L- currently.

I actually thought you were coming out to the whole town, and not actually coming out for L. So RR's response to you doesn't seem out of place. I don't understand your last sentence, I would like for you to clarify it. (I don't get what 'conclusions' you are disturbed by, and why)

This. I've harped on how good Vigilantes don't shoot the most ProScum (i.e. scummy) player, they shoot the most AntiTown.

This does seem like an empty post, agreeing with someone about vigging without really saying anything else that was happening currently. Yet, it isn't malicious to me and I have someone else as a priority.

Perhaps I am not being as clear as I should be, but let me ask you again, one more time.

Why does it concern you. Might it have ever occurred that I was trying to make a point, rather than alluding to any gun I may or may not have? I don't think even .L- himself assumed anything after reading it, and the only reason I spoke out was to get the interest of him.

I find myself trying to keep my composure, and re-assessing my thoughts. You are all clueless, and I'm going to need to take this game step by step. For starters, I find myself disliking the TBG fellow, as he did not truly add anything, only idly commenting without a purpose. He seems nervous, but what could it be?

I think at this point, you were pressing on a misunderstanding. Nothing to do about it now, though.

WELL I DISLIKE YOU TOO SO THERE

Edit: Goddamnit, forum, stop editing out my caps.

Why did you react in this way, TBG?

If you're gonna question people on their contributions and make serious attempts to read people, I think it's only fair that you stop using the "it's still pregame, lol" excuse for editing posts. You're clearly playing the game, at this point.

If you think what people are doing is telling, then editing your posts is potentially covering up your own tells.

I took this as a psuedo-defence on TBG. Rather, it seems like a possibility. You could have been really trying to argue the fairness of what he was doing, but this is just a note on my thought process.

OS, which conclusion is FML trying to undermine?

Gheb, why did you ask OS that?

Why is the fact that it was your other half only coming up now, after I've needled you? It would have been just as acceptable when I first started questioning you about that particular statement, and much more timely too. Instead you answered my questions (which were clearly asked of the poster, not to the general hydra) until they became stiffer.

This makes it feel more like an excuse.

It did seem like a backtrack. Seeing FML flipping, makes it seem like Orbo didn't want to incriminate himself or Rake by ignoring a question, so he tried to answer for Rake. I just think he didn't handle it correctly. Hopefully he learned his lesson. Hydra's are tricky.

MFW Orbo starts answering questions he should have just left for me and i have to come in here and try to straighten it out

Lol.

I think Gheb's push to lynch TOM is more than a little noteworthy. He opened the game by voting for someone who isn't technically in the game, and the vote counted. Now he wants us to for forward with the lynch. Why do you think he voted TOM in the first place? He wasn't trolling, that's bull****. The vote counted. Does anyone here honestly believe that is a coincidence? Now he wants us to lynch him because "maybe it'll fix the game's shenanigans"? Again, bull****. Gheb knows what it'll do, and he's not telling us. Something sinister is at play. That's what I'm seeing.

Vote: Gheb

Hmm. I agree.

I don't like the TOM lynch though I am not bolding it.

I feel like Ghebs role pertains to lynching TOM.

I don't know.. plus he goes from TOM lynch (safe though questionable) to inactive lynch (really safe no pvp interaction)

Makes my tummy feel weirdd

I like you.

I am, I'm rereading but wanted to comment on the important stuff of the last page.

I dislike your TOM push it doesn't make sense from a town perspective no matter how many times I spin it

(sorry I still think you're Kawaii <3)

I like you.

Read list for now:

-> I underestimated AA's input yesterDay. I'm perfectly OK with him being around right now.

I want to know why you underestimated him, and why you are ok with him now?[/COLLAPSE]

That's my catch-up. I tried using evernote, but AIN'T NOBODY GOT TIME FOR DAT GURLLL. I'll be giving my two scumpicks shortly.

 

[ranmaru]

OS, which conclusion is FML trying to undermine?

This right here, starts my dislike of Gheb. He asks a question about what FML is trying to do. To me, this is Gheb trying to act dumb, as if he hasn't even taken the time to read to see what FML was trying to undermine. He then votes along with OS, after OS does. Now, this reeks to me as jumping the wagon, for a malicious reason. I also didn't like that he started to press on Detective Prince for jumping on a wagon, it seemed to me he did this to seem like he's doing something, so DP could be a target for lynch instead of himself. It's also worth noting that Kantrip (SCUM) failed to notice that Gheb had done the same as DP, yet listed him as town. His push onto TOM and then inactives is also dumb.

Gheb is my #1 scumpick, Asianaussie comes in #2.

He plays the middleman, (wrt DP v Kantrip), and seems to defend Kantrip telling DP not to crucify him for being enthuasistic. I just think there really wasn't a reason for AA to be there but to downplay what DP was doing. AA doesn't really do anything here, he explains some things, but when it came to given explanations to Asdiohscum, he handwaves it and says he'll leave it to others. What kind of bull**** is that? I am not liking that he then goes along with the inactive lynch that Gheb has proposed, and I would lynch AA after Gheb.

Quotes/context:

[COLLAPSE="AussieNuassie Context"]

also dont like this

also @people who haven't talked much: talk please - who has the strongest town vibes at the moment? do you think FML and detective prince could co-exist as scum?

no votes yet, im going out for some cardgames so hopefully there will be things to point at when i get back

Bold he doesn't like something, but doesn't have any stances to give. It's as if he is puffing hot air. It also seems like he's trying to be helpful, while also...

you are basically writing kantrip and asdioh off as scum/town reads for what is essentially the same type of behaviour, then using asdioh meta to justify it - as someone who has no knowledge of either player's habits, im not going to blindly trust that

...Playing the middle man.

let's be honest, it's not hard to overreact to your posts if you have even the slightest case of english nazi-ism (for lack of a better term)

stop crucifying him based on this

I'm not liking this. Sort of defending him for DP's reaction to Kantrip. I can understand that DP wouldn't like Kantrip's sudden 'enthusiasm', that's how Kantrip reacts to people who attack him. Regardless of alignment, he does that.

reasoning for asdioh scum, other people can dismantle that

Not liking this either, he handwaves that and says "other can take care of that for me ". Not a good reason to abstain from that. Just seems like weak scum here.

not actually defending you btw, you're still pretty null although i guess that technically is a step up from enthusiastic scum

He states he is null, yet says "it's a step up from enthusiastic scum". To me, this seems like an empty statement, mentioning a step up from scum when he never really mentioned Kanty being scummy/scum to him. AA, please clarify what you meant here.

fine with any inactive lynch, gonna be in macau the rest of the day so

vote: TBG

this game is dumb

Weak. I don't really think I know much of his stances. He is a slot with hot air, I want him dead after Gheb.[/COLLAPSE]

 

[ranmaru]

Vote: Gheb

L: My answer is Gheb. Then AA.

 

[ranmaru]

I also forgot to mention that I realized AA stated that the interactions between DP and Kantrip were TvT to him (correct me if I'm wrong), yet there in the quotes he mentioned Kanty was null to him. That shows me that what he is saying is fake, and only for show. AA what do you have to say for this?

 

[ranmaru]

How many times did I say we need to pressure inactive players ... Once? Twice? Considering that using meta on me has a reliably high rate of failure you don't even have a decent argument. Oh wellz.

Asdioh, what do you think of the underlined? Does this change your thoughts on Gheb at all?

 

[ranmaru]

Hm. If you put it that way, perhaps it wouldn't be such a bad idea. I just hope you're not pulling my leg, but you likely won't give me a straight answer right now.

Hold on, Underlined, what exactly convinced you to go along with this? Explain it to me.

 

[ranmaru]

That's it for now. I'll check later via phone, and keep in mind I also have work today, so I'll be sleeping/playing my DS and then a mix of checking this on my phone and working. (from 4 pm to 10 pm)

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Amazing activity, REALLY good use of the extension, very pro-town play. Keep it up, guys.

 

[TBG]

Amazing activity, REALLY good use of the extension, very pro-town play. Keep it up, guys.

hi i'm in lynchlead and complaining about lack of activity

please allow me to do nothing usefui before i die


@Ranmaru: Of course it's an empty post; it was pregame. As far as the other post, I reacted that way because I thought it was a joke. Even if his tone was serious, calling someone out for lack of content while the game was still in the confirmation phase struck me as an obv. joke.

I like your case on AA.

vote gheb. I'm not sure if we're still going with the kingmaker plan, but this is where I want my vote anyway, so....

 

[asianaussie]

re: ranmaru, didnt say much this past week because i was on vacation the entire week and had very little time for activity (mod can confirm, i sent him V/LA)

He states he is null, yet says "it's a step up from enthusiastic scum". To me, this seems like an empty statement, mentioning a step up from scum when he never really mentioned Kanty being scummy/scum to him. AA, please clarify what you meant here.

i was in that discussion from a bit of a third-person perspective and didn't really know who i wanted to support, iirc someone said i was defending him when that was not really my intention at the time (read him null at that point)

said kantrip v DP was TvT in my response to DP(?) because after brief re-read of D1 i felt it was TvT, nothing else to say

@mod i have contacted BSL and am confirming hydra, for what it's worth, this should be my last post on this thread using this account

i am back in australia but uni starts in 2 days, so activity will come from me, just not constantly