Toon Link Match-up Video and Critique Thread

[TheJerm]

Watch game one alzi, I cant really say much since it was friendlies, but you didnt play the match up correctly. Against a good DDD, you definately cant be that aggressive.

 

[OniTheWolf]

A set from a WiFi tournament, and one offline match I got with a friend. Lol, parent johns vs offline tourneys, guess who wins, all the time

Critiques, please.

Online:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rf7z9VC4XAE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50oKUHe7sS4 (Don't even ask about those idiotic SD's)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa8PjUBxMTE

Offline:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnZlwZ1K6Ik Winners Final of a little Smash Fest just between my friends and I. This was the last match, hence I did not record the other two because I did not use TL. LOL, the last stock pissed me off so bad that when I met up with Quasi again later during the event, I didn't even use TL : /

 

[copacetic]

Winner's finals game 4: Me vs. Fatal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1yO5rRMkS4

So I finally got around to uploading it and I do so without sound somehow. I'll need to fix that soon.
And the other vids I saved from this are giving me some troubles too.

I've watched this four or five times already, so I know most of the mistakes I made. Still, I'd like to hear your thoughts

 

[MJG]

I thought fatal didn't know how to play against toonlink though?

Good job still and nice spike at the end.

EDIT: I like the new picture in the OP btw.

 

[copacetic]

Oh he knows what to do, he just prefers to use mk for the matchup (unless it's a good snake stage)

 

[MJG]

Were some of the players drunk at this tourney? "Brawl and beer"

Some of the New England players were talking about this recently

 

[copacetic]

A few people were. Fatal and I didn't have any though since I was still hungover and he had to drive himself back to boston early. I imagine if it hadn't been right after new year's people would've been drinking more

 

[TheJerm]

So did you beat fatal in the set?

 

[copacetic]

So did you beat fatal in the set?

Nah. He took games 1,2, and 5. I have 3 of the matches saved, but my dazzle **** broke during this one (hence the lack of audio and choppy video at points), so I'll have to get those up later.

But yeah, I suck vs mk. I don't know how to play that MU, so I can do well vs his snake but his mk will beat me

 

[Alzi]

Watch game one alzi, I cant really say much since it was friendlies, but you didnt play the match up correctly. Against a good DDD, you definately cant be that aggressive.

I realised that too in all 3 of the video's. I just lost out of losers brackets and i told Jupz i am just going to rage it out in these matches.

But yeah i got a tournament coming up this Sunday so if i do vs a D3 again i will take your advice.

 

[Tiersr4Queers]

some of my matches

vs Chimp(Diddy)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVc7KseYpLA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em2WMhgh0c4&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em2WMhgh0c4

vs Phyro(Luigi)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtTc7qJQ6P4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEfgrAefJEM&feature=channel

vs Commander_Beef
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEPxJoiJmSs
-I played terrible at that tourney, that was the worst i've done in any one been too.

 

[WindMajor]

1st match:You really like those SMS arrows don't you? Your flashy playstyle is certainly flashy, but there were some moments in which you arrow canceled right in front of Diddy. Try not to do that.

Last match: Don't ever approach a DDD that much. That is all. :D

 

[Tiersr4Queers]

yeah, THATS one of my bad habits. ac'ing in front of people. that's how i get sheild grabbed alot. and Cbeef is my irl friend. His D3, he made my camping seem so inferior, like i thought it wasn't working.
he plays OoS alot. i guess he baited me to approach then got me. i so need help on the D3 matchup. i got him for D3 training tho. Thanx for the critique more would be nice too.

 

[MJG]

^Basically what he said. You know your stuff, but sometimes it just seemed like you were throwing projectiles out there.

Then again it was friendlies, so, I don't know how you would play in a tournament

EDIT: "He" as in Twink/Flan. You posted before I did

 

[.Phyro.]

He shouldve kept his cool against cbeef.

 

[Dalub]

...............................

 

[MJG]

The Ike player seemed to get the most damage on you when you were out near or on the ledge. Try to avoid staying in one spot. Ike's CQC game is prettyyyyyy goood and ours can't really compete with it.

 

[Dalub]

.............................................

 

[TheJerm]

More full hops, space better, and mix up your approach a little more. You kept doing bomb to zair.

 

[TheJerm]

I have a tournement set that I would like to have critiqued. Please watch both games. I know what I did wrong, but maybe you guys will see some other mistakes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DrH69_Mq6o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_Q1KXVzIcg

 

[MJG]

Other than a few arrow cancels mishaps, only thing I saw was that you didn't punish his tornados often as I thought you could have (outside of the up smash)..he seemed to use it frequently after using about 3 or 4 jumps....Its not something you would really notice in a set though. I don't feel right critiquing a better toonlink than myself >_>

*Is still viewing the videos*

0:34-0:46 is combo vid material XD

EDIT: Your mistake on your second stock in the second video was going onto the left side of the rock formation

 

[Hyro]

I play weird as **** so if you want, just pick and choose advice lol

First, I don't use the reverse hitbox of bair on MK, just don't feel safe to me.

I grab a lot more, lotta zair to grab, you started doing that match 2.

Projectiles are laggy and aren't always safe, I wouldn't use them when MK's in zair range.

When MK's are jumping and dairing just kinda wait for them to hit the ground. They're waiting for the projectile so they can come nado you. Just don't get nado'ed. Wait for it, tilt your shield up so it don't poke.

Turn around with a bomb when recovering.

And you were destroying dphat's shield. Run up and charge a usmash when it's that low. They spotdodge and die.

 

[Sosuke]

Am I the only one who noticed that one Dair made MK slide across half the stage?

 

[Hyro]

i saw but that's just dair lol

 

[MJG]

It was because of how close d phat was to jerm.

And I might try grabbing MK more as well (just like the olimar MU)

 

[Alzi]

That Dair was awesome. lol.

I would of invinicbombed a view times while coming down would of helped you not to get hit by some of the Up b's he landed on you while you threw the bomb down.

Just the tilting of the shield up i didn't see as Hyro mentioned aswell.

But good job on not getting down smashed heaps.

 

[TheJerm]

Ok, so I got from this so far.

Dont throw items when in zair range. Shield the nado better. Hit them with charged attacks when their shield is that low.

I personally dont think you should rely on the turn around using a bomb trick much on MK. I think you should keep your bomb just incase things go wrong.

Oh and the arrow cancel mistakes are dew to trying to master the jerk. But Im starting to think its not worth it

 

[Hyro]

Well that's just my opinion.

As for the turn around thing, I would at least do it once in a while. It's a really good mixup. Especially if you save your double jump, you can dj into them and then bair.

Why am I on this site...I'm suppose to be making a cheat sheet for my midterm lol

 

[Ginger_Warrior]

Just an observation, but the Nairs seemed more effective than the Bairs. Maybe you could try using them more. Everytime you had your back to Dphat it was obvious what was coming.

 

[demonictoonlink]

Wow...I really thought Jerm had that...both matches lol

I know, I know, practicality and all...but I am SERIOUS. Invincibomb is sooooo good in this matchup. But really, don't get gimped? lol

Sexy as always.

 

[DallasPhat]

I thought jerm had that nukka too... but man Dphat too good.

 

[Hyro]

I thought jerm had that nukka too... but man Dphat too good.

he kinda sexy too a lil bit

 

[Tiersr4Queers]

watching this reminds me how tyrant is gonna slaughter me this sat.

 

[MJG]

Heres a match with our crews best MK...I don't get to play him at all anymore, so this was a lucky day for myself (he seems to have gotten rusty at this MU)

Critique please

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWMmyro9sYA

Sound cuts off around 1:30 for some reason ;o

 

[demonictoonlink]

I thought jerm had that nukka too... but man Dphat too good.

lol

hookah is weird.

But really, lol

 

[Thebest1pj]

Heres a match with our crews best MK...I don't get to play him at all anymore, so this was a lucky day for myself (he seems to have gotten rusty at this MU)

Critique please

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWMmyro9sYA

Sound cuts off around 1:30 for some reason ;o

you suck incest,fight my mk is obviously m2k level

 

[QUIVO]

A lot of people here spot dodge my zair to grab.. dunno how it works..

 

[TheJerm]

You mean they dodge after you get the first hit?

 

[Alzi]

If it's what TheJerm said then it's really easy to spot dodge the grab before you land it.

 

[Ginger_Warrior]

Mix it up. Follow Zair with Nair once in a while. Or even wait to punish his dodge. If he knows you'll use grab, ofc he'll spot dodge, and punish.