tips on my yoshi??

[spacemanspiff]

here's a link to a video of my yoshi. This isn't a great match and the button lag of being online was owning me as usual but tips are always appreciated.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LV6ERLnvNRM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eN60g39lcf4&feature=related

 

[Meta Dude]

i saw like 1 egg toss and maybe 1 grab. i don't think you'll win many matches if you don't incorporate these moves into your game.

you got grabbed an awful lot, and i don't think olimar is notorious for his grabs. you can prevent this by always jabbing or running in with a headbutt, you looked idle a few times during the match. i play aggressively against olimar.

his 1st meteor smash was good on his part, but you could've prevented it (less so than the second). if you aren't doing an aerial (uair) then you definitely need to be doing with air dodge, just do something so that it's not so easy to get spiked. same goes on the last stock, i think if you popped a nair that could've been avoided. spikes are an easy KO, so you don't want to make it easier on your opponent to pull them off.

against people who like to roll around i use d-smash, hits on both sides of you.

hope these tips help ya bro, good luck!

 

[spacemanspiff]

oh i grab and throw more eggs offline. i find the pivot grabs difficult to time with button lag. i do use them. i added another video thats better for me i think.

thanks for the advice man! your right i need to be more aggressive

 

[Nocher]

ok, i have found some prettey big flaws in your stratagies, you improved through the game, but here are some problems i saw.

1. do not spam egg roll, for that matter don't use it from a distance at all

2. SHbair is your friend, don't run in if the opponent has been able to grab you multiple times.

3. down b is not your friend in the air. do not use this move to come downwards as often. use it for the occasional ko on the ground, or when you feel you have no choice, or when the opponent is below you but also in the air (hopefully high.) it has a large amount of lag making it most useful as a surprise attack on the ground.

4. edge guard!! if your opponent is off stage, chase him. i know you were spiked earlier, but he wont spike you if you are in front of him using nair. or above using dair.

now here are some nitty gritty details.

5. when your opponent is standing right at the edge, do not jump. this is counter productive because it gives them time to attack you without worrying. a better choice would be to attack from the ledge, giving you much needed space.

6.just be careful of smash spamming, they are good, but you just need to use the correct ones at the correct time

other details will be improved as time continues, dont sweat it
(i hope this recitation of all my previous faults and, at the same time, your current ones will help)

 

[bigman40]

Well, Nocher pretty much said the same thing I was goning to say. I just have to add that after watching quite a bit of vids, people have trouble keeping themselves from being predictable to a certain extent. If you watched you vid, you would notice that you did nearly the same set over and over. Think out of the box to get some interesting results. The less unpredictable you are, the better.

 

[Nocher]

. The less unpredictable you are, the better.

... don't you mean less predictable?

 

[Carouselambra]

with regards to being unpredictable, what do you usually attempt when you know your opponent is expecting yet another bair? or better yet, when you hit their shield with your bair so that you go over and they can't grab you cause they are facing the wrong way or you go too far past, which move is recommended for the follow up knowing that they are prly gonna try to roll the opposite direction? (happens more often than you think)

 

[Nocher]

well, i have found that if you are still in front of them using a b/f tilt(you will be facing away) will have low enough starting lag to hit them then you can follow up with jabs. or your other option is just to jab if you are behind them. yet another all around solution is the use of d smash.

for other approaches than bair, just go in for a dash attack or grab. it may sound predictable, but when you have battered an opponent with bair, they will be expecting another and will be hit. at least that is what i do. also, the occasional nair approach works well. it is best to incorporate them and your own methods to become less predictable

 

[bigman40]

>_> YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN =P

You can use what Nocher said, and also do empty short hops. Heck, you could use DJC egg lay. People expect a bair, and you'll end up grabbing them.

 

[Nocher]

hmm, djc egg lay as an approach. ill have to try that!

 

[acojan]

yoshi can DJC with his egg toss ?! omgcakes ! need to try ---- but won't it be hard to aim the egg while your approaching ? lmao...

don't mind me --- im just trying to become a smash child....

 

[Nocher]

umm,we said egg lay, but ya, he can djc with all of his b moves

 

[spacemanspiff]

to nocher:
thanks for the advise man. i only use egg roll that much against olimar cuz it kills stray pikmen. and about the spamming smashes i USUALLY only do that online... i get kinda frustrated sometimes with the button lag. these are just a few points in my defense. your still right haha

and thanks to bigman also!

 

[Scarlet Jile]

I think your tech skill is pretty solid, actually. People might not give you the reviews you like because your style is very basic and you don't throw down a lot of flare.

My suggestion is to mix it up a little bit, throw more eggs, and as most have said, be as unpredictable with your move-set as you can.

 

[Nocher]

hey, i never said you weren't a good player. i just am giving tips to make you better

 

[spacemanspiff]

oh no worries even if you were i wouldn't be offended. I'm not claiming to be awesome or anything. thanks again for the tips. i haven't gotten a chance to play yet since you guys posted but once i do i'll be sure to switch things up a bit.

and to scarlet:
oh i'm not looking for awesome reviews i'm just here trying to get better. thanks for your input also though and thanks for taking the time to watch my match!

question also:

you know that thing where you down c-stick while dashing and immediately press up and Z for a sliding u smash? i've done it with Link, i can do it consistantly with Snake... but i haven't been able to do it with Yoshi... can he do it?

 

[Nocher]

you can also just while running use an up smash <_< it is called a hyphen smash. unless of course you mean a wavedash smash, which yoshi cannot do

 

[spacemanspiff]

yes i know about hyphen smashing i actually do that a bit too much haha i meant wavedash smash... i think haha

 

[Nocher]

ya, he cant do that the only chars i know that can do it are squirtle and snake. there are probably others but yoshi is incapable of performing a wavedash

 

[spacemanspiff]

i know link can and i'm PRETTY sure lucario and sheik can to but i've never tried with them. is there a reason why only certain characters can and others cant?

 

[Nocher]

i think it has to do with the extended time that the up smash is out. im not sure exactly but that seems to be the similarity between all of the characters' up smashes above. if so, then yoshi's up smash has too little of a time out to wavedash

 

[acojan]

ohh ! i think you mean DLX cancelling..... yeah i know sheik can and snake and link can ... not to sure about lucario but he proably can too....

when you dlx you cancel your dash attack into an upsmash....
there is a certain window during your dash attack animation that will instantly allow you to use your usmash with the momentum from your dash

yoshi cannot do it unfortunately.... to my knowledge

 

[XalchemistX]

Hears some tips for Yoshi, abuse ur egg throw! It has a good range and u can throw ur egg behind you. Also dont use the egg roll to much... When I use Yoshi I dont grab alot.. so im not sure if its a good thing or bad.

 

[spacemanspiff]

^ my egg roll was just to kill stray pikmen. i don't use it often against anyone else. and I'd abuse eggs but i don't... like to haha i know it makes sense to but i have more fun when i attack... it wasn't too serious of a match anyways.

and YES acojan thats it! thanks for that

 

[salaboB]

^ my egg roll was just to kill stray pikmen. i don't use it often against anyone else. and I'd abuse eggs but i don't... like to haha i know it makes sense to but i have more fun when i attack... it wasn't too serious of a match anyways.

I've read (I don't recall which thread, it was somewhere around here...) that against Olimar if you can egg lay him his pikmin become unbound for a brief time, so you can then follow with a down smash to temporarily cripple him.

 

[spacemanspiff]

really? wow i'll have to try that. thanks

 

[Sharky]

That works, indeed. Cause the pikmin don't go in the egg with Olimar, so they just stand there for a short period of time. A dsmash works nicely.

I'd like to review these vids, but judging by the pace of the match, I assume it was decently laggy, so it just seems unfair to rate you based on it. =/ I do agree with everyone else in their suggesting eggs, though. Then again, I tell everyone to work on their egg game lol.

 

[spacemanspiff]

haha ya all my matches are pretty laggy my connection isn't the best. and ya i know... eggs haha lately i've been trying to work them into combo's... trying to get egg throw into u air... dunno how effective it'll become but i'm working on it. it seems that if you purposely miss your opponent with the egg it can space you perfectly for a u air... i dunno haha thought it looked cool