Tips on cf

[blindfreak9]

I have recently picked up falcon. I can do the majority of stuff, like shffling, but what are some other fundementals that I should learn to be better?

 

[Windrose]

Learn spacing, L-cancel from different heights (fast fall and non fast fall) for all moves with shield lag, no lag on shield, and just regular hitting of an opponent, practice chaining aerials on semi floaties and floaties like peach and marth (and sheik), practice adapting to opponents + reading them.

 

[blindfreak9]

Thanks. I suck at spacing because I always end up being cornered by marth. Help with spacing to prevent that?

 

[S l o X]

Your problem against marth probably isn't spacing. Even when I think I've perfectly spaced n-air, his nair or fair hits first / I only trade with the first hit of my nair.

I DD camp when I'm not cornered. I usually think of it in terms of solutions to their answers. They like nair? Side b or DD > Grab. They like dtilt (-___-)? Full hop dair? Jump around and ****. I don't know. They just spam fair? Full hop instant uair or space nairs. I don't know frames or anything like that but I'm sure one of those is a solution. My memory is terrible. I'll put up videos of me playing a (decent) marth sometime this weekend.

 

[Walt]

Your problem isn't spacing it's controlling the stage. You're letting him move into you and push you back against a wall. Which as Falcon is something you have to not let happen and have to do back to him. Falcon wants to control the middle of the stage as much as possible, and when pushed to a corner do what you can to regain ground. Mix up: roll, run up shield>roll, falcon kick, move across platforms, dash jump nair/trade knee, and FJ/DJ can get you out of the corner and allow you to start fighting him, instead of fighting him with positional advantage.

 

[blindfreak9]

Thanks. How should I maintain control over the middle of the stage?

 

[Superspright]

Marth sucks. Just PS his attacks and **** him. He's super telegraphed, and he almost never wants to put you inside of him. You'll almost always know when the fsmash is coming, or a dtilt. It's not like he's gonna run up into jab range and start dtilting. There is a reason for it. Just get very used to the very limits of Marth's spacing and you'll find a lot of attacks come out just when you're inside of it--it's all a baiting game. Rock paper scissors. If he gets smart, just start grabbing to get him back to throwing out attacks. Or, if you are also smart, throw out knees or nairs just outside of his range then retreat and punish.

Your punishes hurt a million times worse. Never get grabbed too. But if you can get a grab off of Marth, destroy him. You should lose a stock or two, but you should win the game. It's a battle of attrition. You have to keep baiting each other and get combo punishes. It's a good matchup, but range is not in your favor, so you should not be trying to perfectly space anything for a real approach. It should never work if the Marth anticipates you (and he will, because you're CF). Watch out for him crouching and PSing attacks. Very easy for him to do considering his PS is a mile high from crouch. Get knees, get uair combos, get grabs, and never miss an edge-guard.

If your friend or whoever you play sucks, just roll toward ledge and hold and press Z (you should have your back teetering the edge). Light-shield edgeguard needs to be sweetspotted to be beaten. If he can't sweetspot, this will never fail. Just make sure he has to sweetspot. If he does beat it, then jump back onto stage and waveland, or something. Because, you're off stage now and marth is on the ledge--no good.

 

[blindfreak9]

When do u light shield and why?

 

[0Room]

Lightshielding when you're above someone or near an edge is kinda cool
Against marth holding light shield and tilting the shield towards the stage will have you catch the edge when he upBs

Here's a video on it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AexiFPr6x84&t=06m14s

 

[Superspright]

I'd like to add, doing an aerial to bait them to fall past the ledge, or side-b or something then rolling and doing the light-shield trick is VERY good. You have to do it fast. I try to time the end of my roll with when I suspect they will be up-bing. So I'll DD around, empty SH, then roll or something. Use it. It's very good, and almost always works. It ALWAYS works against new players unless by accident they sweetspot.

 

[ryankam10]

pretty much what that guy said, falcon cant approach marth
its 100% baitiing and punishing his attacks that he hopefully throws out for no reason
marth outprioritizes and outranges falcon in every way
so... if you get your back to the edge of the stage you might be dead regardless of what you do
so just never get in that situation.... lol

 

[Superspright]

Well you can hope he throws them out for no reason. But a good marth will be DD and wavedashing a lot to bait you as well. It's a baiting game that CF can punish better at--but Marth is better at the baiting game. It's probably around 50'50ish. I doubt it's in CF's favor if it's tilted toward either side. At the top echelons of play it's very difficult for falcon to get around Marth. If it happens though he should be dead shortly after.

 

[S l o X]

Marth sucks. Just PS his attacks and **** him.

Um . . . okay.

also, i find watching lower level (not too far from your level like s2j / hax but mid level falcons) better for learning how to play matchups.

 

[Superspright]

I dunno if you are referencing me, but I suck. I just know the match-up a little bit. Plus, I know when powershielding is appropriate usually, and the only matchups that PS really works well in is against Marth, and CF (or Ganon if your traction doesn't suck). They lack real shield pressure so a powershield can shut them down and open up an attack.

Captain Falcon feels crappy whenever he's in shield, but I would like to change that. His shield is actually very good--it's just getting stuck in it that kills him. But with powershield--he stays in it for a flicker and he's out. Too good.

 

[0Room]

Only issue [that S l o x is trying to point out] is that PSing is kind of unreliable
Or, as a more accurate portrayal of the issue

People are unreliable when it comes to doing PowerShielding

 

[ryankam10]

Pretty much the marth matchups is just one of those things you have to learn mostly through experience. falcon can combo marth pretty badly but every good and bad falcon can combo to pretty much the same extent. ive done some of the **** darkrain has does and so has everyone else, combo-wise

as mentioned earlier falcon cant really approach marth head on if hes expecting it cus he gets outranged and outprioritized, you will just get grabbed => comboed or tilted => comboed. and yet there are times when shffling a nair into marths zone is actually a smart choice... play alot of marth matches and you will eventually recognize such opportunities and capitalize on them

I think winston mentioned it in another thread recently if the marth is like just jumping or some ****... but never nair when theyre DDing or youll just grabbed

 

[Deleted member]

I dunno if you are referencing me, but I suck. I just know the match-up a little bit. Plus, I know when powershielding is appropriate usually, and the only matchups that PS really works well in is against Marth, and CF (or Ganon if your traction doesn't suck). They lack real shield pressure so a powershield can shut them down and open up an attack.

Captain Falcon feels crappy whenever he's in shield, but I would like to change that. His shield is actually very good--it's just getting stuck in it that kills him. But with powershield--he stays in it for a flicker and he's out. Too good.

yup, getting > 50% power shields makes ur movement that much quicker

i'd say im like 25-30% on power shield rates though

 

[Superspright]

How often do you react out of them though s2j (pick an option)?

Powershielding is unreliable (to some people). I do it fairly reliably [I'd say I get 50% of the powershields I do go for]. Sometimes many in a row (I've gotten 8 off before). I just don't always pick the right option--or I pick an option when it's not necessary or I powershield unnecessarily. I also bugged my controller (held down the shoulder button for easier powershields). I can consistently powershield whenever I get the read usually. It's just what I do with it is what I suck at currently.

Powershielding just isn't hard that hard to me. I play a lot of twitchy games that involve freak timing/reflexes. 4 frames is enough to beat out any poor option or aerial approach. Don't get me wrong--I have and will get ***** for trying to powershield. But the rewards I get are pretty massive. I usually start CCing before a hit and try to PS. Whatever I get I use. I prefer getting the powershield though.

I've powershielded grabs before because I've gotten such a bad habit of doing it now--makes the same sound. You just get grabbed though. Hahaha. I need to play yoshi.

 

[Deleted member]

i'm a movespammer so I always try to react out of anything when people hit my shield although sometimes u gotta know when to not try a move and either do nothing in shield or roll away or wavedash out of shield

 

[blindfreak9]

S2j. U R the master at spacing. The any tips with captain Falcon?

 

[Deleted member]

always triple knee even if u will die

 

[Mew2King]

DONT LISTEN if you do that u might die

 

[blindfreak9]

Lol. I m2k, what do I find hard about cf players. So I can know what works against marth