Social "Time to Tip the Scales!" - Robin Social Thread

[LIQUID12A]

Look at me, late to the tragedy. I'll be very clear here. I don't agree on some off the character re choices either. I wanted Mewtwo back as much as @ Frostwraith . I didn't get it. Big deal. I'm pissed, but I'm over it, there are new mains to pick up. I despise Dark Pit(sorry), big deal, I just don't use him, simple as that. My opinion is worth as much as anyone's on the Internet: jack.

@ Kenith , trust me, I'm as mad at Sakuai as you are for not including Mewtwo when he had a ridiculous ton of evidence to support his inclusion. That does not mean he's a fool. He has his reasons, dumb as they are, and I won't question it, because after all, it's his game. He does what he wants. Why else do we get Ridley teases, red herrings(hi Rayman) and subtle moments that make you go "wth, is metal face a boss/dark pit playable"?

@Lizardon, let's be honest. With the written proof that some dude from Nintendo Treehouse visited SmashBoards during the Brawl era, it's as equally likely that whoever translates Sakurai's stuff visits SmashBoards and knows of the rampant demands(not helping is that you can view SB in Japanese) and tells him. They probably know of all we've said. Trolling creators.

@ Frostwraith , stupid as its is, you can't stop behavior like saying "Sakurai is an idiot" or "death threats because no Takumaru or Ghirahim". They are just venting, and as I've said above, their opinion is worth as much as mine: nothing. Let idiocy take its course and keep enjoying what you have. Do you see me saying: you're a jackass Sakuai for no Mewtwo? No.

The point is, character selection will break the fanbase on all sides. On the rational side, on the idiotic side, and on the neutral side. Nobody is safe, and the last two pages effectively turned into a pseudo Ridley thread post-de confirmation.

@Robertman2 Civility when talking about Sakurai and characters. Right.

I have no interest in reigniting discussion, so take this as my opinion and move along.

 

[Hong]

Some discussion you folks had.

Thank goodness we have frame data now. Dtilt is looking as awesome as expected.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Extremely strong and satisfying Aerial game with Levin Sword.

Versatile specials that allow you to zone and punish with varying degrees of intensity.

COMMAND GRAB THAT HEALS YOU

Oh yeah, I completely forgot there's Nosferatu (Which is my favorite spell in FE).
Yeah, I should probably give him a shot at playing as him when I buy the game to see how I feel.

 

[Kenith]

@ Kenith , trust me, I'm as mad at Sakuai as you are for not including Mewtwo when he had a ridiculous ton of evidence to support his inclusion. That does not mean he's a fool. He has his reasons, dumb as they are, and I won't question it, because after all, it's his game. He does what he wants. Why else do we get Ridley teases, red herrings(hi Rayman) and subtle moments that make you go "wth, is metal face a boss/dark pit playable"?

Let me get one thing straight: I don't think Sakurai is a fool. However, based on everything I've seen and heard while on these boards, I have strong evidence to suggest that Mewtwo is, in fact, a prime candidate for inclusion in Smash Bros, for numerous reasons I will not need to elaborate on. If he were to be excluded, then the most likely scenario is that he make a foolish decision, and fools are prone to making such decisions.

 

[Frostwraith]

One of my biggest worries about Robin was how hard would it be to distinguish each Thunder tome from the charge effect, but it isn't that hard to discern. The charge goes through 3 color variations for Thunder, Elthunder and Arcthunder. Thoron is used at max charge.

 

[sunfallSeraph]

Oh yeah, I completely forgot there's Nosferatu (Which is my favorite spell in FE).
Yeah, I should probably give him a shot at playing as him when I buy the game to see how I feel.

Let us not forget Thoron, the flashy as **** kill move that actually has a chance in hell of landing at some point. I dream of sniping recovering opponents with it. So satisfying.

 

[LIQUID12A]

One of my biggest worries about Robin was how hard would it be to distinguish each Thunder tome from the charge effect, but it isn't that hard to discern. The charge goes through 3 color variations for Thunder, Elthunder and Arcthunder. Thoron is used at max charge.

You'll want to be using Thoron most of the time anyway, so it's almost negligible in my opinion.

 

[Frostwraith]

You'll want to be using Thoron most of the time anyway, so it's almost negligible in my opinion.

Yeah, but I still like the detail.

Let me get one thing straight: I don't think Sakurai is a fool. However, based on everything I've seen and heard while on these boards, I have strong evidence to suggest that Mewtwo is, in fact, a prime candidate for inclusion in Smash Bros, for numerous reasons I will not need to elaborate on. If he were to be excluded, then the most likely scenario is that he make a foolish decision, and fools are prone to making such decisions.

If it's anything like Brawl, they probably didn't have enough time to implement him.

A perfectly valid reason, if I do say so myself. Time constraints are a *****.

Maybe Sakurai is saving him for DLC? That would honestly be a good marketing ploy. If a whole bunch of characters is to be released as a DLC expansion pack, I'd imagine it would follow the same line up as newcomers additions: popular/requested/expected characters, characters with unique gameplay mechanics but not that popular/requested/expected and, lastly, unexpected oddballs (in league with guys like retro characters and others like ).

 

[Hong]

Within a few weeks, you'll just know what you have. If not by sound or visuals, by intuition and practice.

For instance, as a Link player, when I throw a bomb up, be it a regular throw or smash throw, I know EXACTLY when it will come down again even if the camera is not in that area.

Take the advice of a young Hom and get a feel for it.

 

[LIQUID12A]

Within a few weeks, you'll just know what you have. If not by sound or visuals, by intuition and practice.

For instance, as a Link player, when I throw a bomb up, be it a regular throw or smash throw, I know EXACTLY when it will come down again even if the camera is not in that area.

Take the advice of a young Hom and get feel for it.

You can only fail so many times.

Which is why you improve through practice and failure!

 

[Hong]

You can only fail so many times.

Which is why you improve through practice and failure!

Worthy advice, indeed!

You learn when you succeed. You learn even more when you fail.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

At the end, what happened to the roster, has happened. There's gonna be next 6-9 years of time for you to lament, and eventually, get over it. I mean yeah, we all wanted these characters or those characters, but we have no clear idea what led on them not being in (unless they're real special enough to gain a mention)

I personally suggest either finding new favorites, or revisiting your veterans you liked or didn't use in last games. Roster choices here at least are still really well-done this time, aside from clones and cuts. Leave your pitchforks of anger on the ground and go exploring.

In short, even if Mew2's not there or others, it's not all that bad. We still have things like P:M for more fan-oriented official-build Smash and even then, Smash 4 isn't all about pre-speculation and roster disappointments. We still have the full game coming in after all that. I guess what Frost said about overspeculation is true: anything can happen and nothing is set in stone.

I could though criticize for increased bias, as much as there were ways to do it easy. It means losing opportunities on something as well worked as the necessary yet difficult to work on elements (Like doing new characters) and so on.
On the other hand, as an Uprising-fan, I can see why Sakurai wants to tribute on his last work. Also, it's pretty strange how he and Namdai are together yet we got NOTHING about Meteos-series in this game.

But enough of that. 4 days now fellow tacticians. I'm almost thinking they might be going too fast if based on my school schedules.

 

[Kenith]

Maybe Sakurai is saving him for DLC? That would honestly be a good marketing ploy. If a whole bunch of characters is to be released as a DLC expansion pack, I'd imagine it would follow the same line up as newcomers additions: popular/requested/expected characters, characters with unique gameplay mechanics but not that popular/requested/expected and, lastly, unexpected oddballs (in league with guys like retro characters and others like ).

If Mewtwo is DLC I take back everything I just said because frankly Mewtwo (and Wolf) is all this game needs.

 

[LIQUID12A]

Worthy advice, indeed!

You learn when you succeed. You learn even more when you fail.

Unless you're a whining doomed defeatist.

Kind of like Brady.

 

[Raziek]

You'll want to be using Thoron most of the time anyway, so it's almost negligible in my opinion.

I disagree with this, actually. All variations of the special (except Thunder sort of) have distinct use cases, and times where I would choose one over the other. Arcthunder is amazing lock-down, pokes shields exceptionally well, and has respectable kill power.

Elthunder is fast enough and has solid damage and hitstun.

Thoron kills hilariously early (when using Thoron2).

 

[LIQUID12A]

I disagree with this, actually. All variations of the special (except Thunder sort of) have distinct use cases, and times where I would choose one over the other. Arcthunder is amazing lock-down, pokes shields exceptionally well, and has respectable kill power.

Elthunder is fast enough and has solid damage and hitstun.

Thoron kills hilariously early (when using Thoron2).

"Most of the time."

I just go by my mentality of "shoot the most powerful projectile at your disposal" and use the others as support or in emergencies.

Regardless, good point.

 

[Hong]

Thunder 2 seems more geared towards kills with Thoron, while Speed Thunder seems more geared towards utility via Arcthunder. No matter how much damage it does, it has that stun.

 

[Mr. Johan]

Most other custom moves have characters completely revamping their gameplay to suit the special. "I can't OOS punish with Super Jump, but I've got recovery, yay?" "I can't get Thunder kills now, but Self-Generation lets me attack from Pikachu, so remember not to do Thunder followups" etc.

Robin's customs are just about the opposite. "Do I want to kill early with Thoron, or do I want to rack damage? I still have an Arcthunder/Thoron in case I need to adjust." "Arcfire in front of me, Arcfire waaay in front of me, or Arcfire AT me?"

You control the tome, the tome doesn't control you.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Most other custom moves have characters completely revamping their gameplay to suit the special. "I can't OOS punish with Super Jump, but I've got recovery, yay?" "I can't get Thunder kills now, but Self-Generation lets me attack from Pikachu, so remember not to do Thunder followups" etc.

Robin's customs are just about the opposite. "Do I want to kill early with Thoron, or do I want to rack damage? I still have an Arcthunder/Thoron in case I need to adjust." "Arcfire in front of me, Arcfire waaay in front of me, or Arcfire AT me?"

You control the tome, the tome doesn't control you.

Compact and flexible to whatever tastes and playstyles suit you.

I love it.

 

[shrooby]

Robin's customs are just about the opposite. "Do I want to kill early with Thoron, or do I want to rack damage? I still have an Arcthunder/Thoron in case I need to adjust." "Arcfire in front of me, Arcfire waaay in front of me, or Arcfire AT me?"

You control the tome, the tome doesn't control you.

Wow, you have so many viable custom moves.

 

[Frostwraith]

Wow, you have so many viable custom moves.

I can only use them so many times, which is why I carry my Levin Sword.

 

[IceAnt573]

I'm keeping the faith alive that Sakurai would make DLC to declone Lucina and...I guess Dark Pit. Maybe Sakurai wants to give people a reason to not hate one of his babies! Lucina can be given that sword flip spin move as an Up B and an even use a lance along with her sword! First time he can show a Lord actually uses more than one weapon.

Keeping the faith alive hardcore...

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

I can only use them so many times, which is why I carry my Levin Sword.

Still wish I could carry my Killing Sword... I mean Edge...

 

[Pazzo.]

I can't believe I missed out on that discussion.

Anyone know where I can find renders for the characters not on the official SSB4 site?

 

[Frostwraith]

I can't believe I missed out on that discussion.

Anyone know where I can find renders for the characters not on the official SSB4 site?

http://ssbwiki.com for example.

 

[Pazzo.]

http://ssbwiki.com for example.

Ty kindly!

So tacticians... four days left. What are ya'll doing to fill the time?

I'm reading and watching satire. Anyone seen 'O Brother, Where art thou?' with George Clooney?

 

[SimonBarSinister]

Ty kindly!

So tacticians... four days left. What are ya'll doing to fill the time?

I'm reading and watching satire. Anyone seen 'O Brother, Where art thou?' with George Clooney?

Spending time here, getting my arse handed to me in MK8 and getting some practice in with Mega Man in the demo.

 

[Pega-pony Princess]

Ty kindly!

So tacticians... four days left. What are ya'll doing to fill the time?

I'm reading and watching satire. Anyone seen 'O Brother, Where art thou?' with George Clooney?

I want to play Hyrule Warriors, but I accidently gave my shipper the wrong address (messed up one number), so now I have to go pick the game up at the store. It wouldn't be so bad, if not for the fact that I don't have a car, don't know my way around very well, and can't find any poor soul to accompany me.

 

[Fire Tactician]

Arcthunder- Great against opponents who are very aggressive. They'll often think that Thoron is coming and rush in, right into your Arcthunder.

Thoron- Obviously good for KOs and quick hits.

Elthunder- I used to thin that it was worthless, but it's actually pretty fast and can be used to apply pressure when up against a fast melee character (like Little Mac, who I struggle with without Elthunder).

 

[Hong]

Use Elthunder because it's better than Thunder. If you have the chance, charge it up.

 

[gagelax]

ZeRo's explanation/guide for Robin. http://youtu.be/6ElZ6cJw9TI Thought it'd be helpful.

 

[Morbi]

Look at me, late to the tragedy. I'll be very clear here. I don't agree on some off the character re choices either. I wanted Mewtwo back as much as @ Frostwraith . I didn't get it. Big deal. I'm pissed, but I'm over it, there are new mains to pick up. I despise Dark Pit(sorry), big deal, I just don't use him, simple as that. My opinion is worth as much as anyone's on the Internet: jack.

@ Kenith , trust me, I'm as mad at Sakuai as you are for not including Mewtwo when he had a ridiculous ton of evidence to support his inclusion. That does not mean he's a fool. He has his reasons, dumb as they are, and I won't question it, because after all, it's his game. He does what he wants. Why else do we get Ridley teases, red herrings(hi Rayman) and subtle moments that make you go "wth, is metal face a boss/dark pit playable"?

@Lizardon, let's be honest. With the written proof that some dude from Nintendo Treehouse visited SmashBoards during the Brawl era, it's as equally likely that whoever translates Sakurai's stuff visits SmashBoards and knows of the rampant demands(not helping is that you can view SB in Japanese) and tells him. They probably know of all we've said. Trolling creators.

@ Frostwraith , stupid as its is, you can't stop behavior like saying "Sakurai is an idiot" or "death threats because no Takumaru or Ghirahim". They are just venting, and as I've said above, their opinion is worth as much as mine: nothing. Let idiocy take its course and keep enjoying what you have. Do you see me saying: you're a ******* Sakuai for no Mewtwo? No.

The point is, character selection will break the fanbase on all sides. On the rational side, on the idiotic side, and on the neutral side. Nobody is safe, and the last two pages effectively turned into a pseudo Ridley thread post-de confirmation.

@Robertman2 Civility when talking about Sakurai and characters. Right.

I have no interest in reigniting discussion, so take this as my opinion and move along.

Or the character choices could be perfect and please awesome people such as MorbidAltruism.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Have any of you guys been watching EWNetwork's walkthrough of FE:A?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37VO-aUlhb0
I've been enjoying it so far.

 

[Hong]

I can only play Rogues & Redeemers 3 so many times.

Well, I don't need Limit Break for EVERYONE. Personally I think using all the children is a little redundant, so about 12 scrolls will do.

 

[Morbi]

I'm keeping the faith alive that Sakurai would make DLC to declone Lucina and...I guess Dark Pit. Maybe Sakurai wants to give people a reason to not hate one of his babies! Lucina can be given that sword flip spin move as an Up B and an even use a lance along with her sword! First time he can show a Lord actually uses more than one weapon.

Keeping the faith alive hardcore...

Lucina is one of Sakurai's babies? I thought she was Chrom's daughter. This is a shocking development. No wonder she was included over Chrom. It all makes sense!

 

[IceAnt573]

Lucina is one of Sakurai's babies? I thought she was Chrom's daughter. This is a shocking development. No wonder she was included over Chrom. It all makes sense!

By babies, I meant Kirby, Meta-Knight, King Dedede, and Dark Pit. His adopted babies are Pit and Palutena.

 

[False Sense]

By babies, I meant Kirby, Meta-Knight, King Dedede, and Dark Pit. His adopted babies are Pit and Palutena.

Wouldn't Dark Pit technically be a stepchild of sorts? Sakurai may have invented the character, but the character himself is heavily based on a pre-existing character that Sakurai did not create.

 

[shrooby]

Lucina is one of Sakurai's babies? I thought she was Chrom's daughter. This is a shocking development. No wonder she was included over Chrom. It all makes sense!

Sakurai must've married Chrom in his playthrough of Awakening.

 

[Hong]

The real Pit and Palutena died roughly two decades ago.

It's one thing if a series has gradual releases throughout history and you can watch them evolve, like Mario, Link or Sonic.

But Kid Icarus? That is not the Pit I know, and ever further away is Palutena.

These new characters were designed for Sakurai for Brawl and have basically nothing to do with the classic Kid Icarus in any way. Not like I am saying this to cling to nostalgia, so much as I can't say I'm feelin' it. Overall I'd say they are better than the previous Pit and Palutena (what, being almost entirely devoid of dialogue), though I will say I prefer the old designs more.

 

[Mr. Johan]

That or this Lucina came from the crazy 3rd timeline Morgan's from.