Tilt stick Vs Smash stick

[luke_atyeo]

Hey guys I havent really touched the game in a few months and coming back to it in full force now, fox has changed up a bit since I was last playing, lots of talk of making the switch to tilt stick for PP tilts and other fun stuff.

Maybe we didn't need a new thread for this, but can we come up with a list of pro's and con's for both smash stick and tilt stick, what are the advantages (and disadvantages) of both types.
Is it strictly better at this point to change to tilt stick or are there still some things you can get with smash stick that tilt stick cant give or do as well?

 

[Top Boss]

pros of tilt:
(obviously) get to use pp tilts more effectively, which opens up some new combos(like down tilt to pp up tilt for example)
(i don't have evidence of this) i heard it is easier to autocancel short hop up airs with c stick on tilt
you dont have stupid momentum when doing short hop aerials.
smash:
running up smash is way easier
pp down smash
etc

 

[Jamurai]

Tilt stick:

+ PP tilts are godlike
+ Pivot Utilt and Dtilt are easier
+ Can use it for aerials without messing up your momentum

- Can't use it for running Usmash
- No PP smashes (notably Dsmash)
- Pivot Usmash is harder

(pros/cons of smash stick are just the opposite of these)

I've been putting off switching to tilt stick for far too long, I think it's definitely worth it. It's good for MK as well (turnaround Dtilt, ezpz Uair strings etc). I'm just so used to smash stick tho.

 

[EndlessRain]

The momentum thing only applies if you hold the direction. Idk the exact frame data on it, but as long as you're quick with flicking the stick, you're good.

 

[luke_atyeo]

yeah I never had a problem with the momentum thing. In the end I caved in and started using tilt stick.
Tilt stick gives you access to a cool newish tech, retreating Cbounce lasers.
With foxes speed and new laser end lag, I feel like you could build a laser camping game using this tech. Basically use your speed to create space and instantly transition into lasers. Unlike perfect pivot lasers, cbounce lasers can be done straight out of running. You cant do this with smash stick practically unless you claw.

like this http://giphy.com/gifs/l41lQ5Fa9iBtnYKNW

 

[Ghostbone]

Tilt stick is really good for PP tilts, which are ridiculously hard to do quickly without it. (dair > pp u-tilt is pretty good but mostly impossible without tilt stick)

Aside from that, it makes SH uair a little easier while making running JCup-smash (and up-smash OoS) a little harder. Both of those can be done reliably with either control scheme though so it's not a big deal

I think it's superior overall because you get the perfect pivot benefits and the aerial momentum thing will technically always affect your spacing a tiny bit with smash stick.
It's just annoying to get used to.

 

[LozNerd]

I feel Smash-Stick for running up-smash outweighs tilt-stick.

 

[ZeroJanitor]

But you could just jump-cancel up smash and it's actually better in a lot of ways