tier..so far

[outofdashdwz]

Talk of Rayquaza and Ho-oh descending from ubers really only existed at the very beginning of the DP metagame, and originated from very narrow-minded thinkers. Sure, Ho-oh loses half its health when switching into Stealth Rock. Sure Rayquaza takes a crapload from Ice Shard. But like you said, the standard metagame would be so unbelievably constricted it would be almost impossible to play without a Flash Fire user to absorb Ho-oh's insane CBed Sacred Fire and the potential burn. Same goes for Rayquaza. After a Dragon Dance, Extremespeed will OHKO Weavile and will also outspeed its Ice Shard, then proceed to sweep with Outrage. Motor Drive won't be enough to catch up with this thing if it gets in a Dance =/ The thought of the mighty duo coming into OU is preposterous.

 

[Creo]

Well, since we are solely disagreeing with this tier list, why doesn't SWF create their own tier list for out majority results, rather then Smogons or some other peoples. It would be much more accurate (I believe) and it would be good for the battlers on this site to have. I know it has/was been suggested before, it should happen if possible.

Oh and the Rayquaza thing...well, we all know he should stay Uber.

Oh and I don't know if anyone answered Wii4Mii, but Super Fang does indeed half the opposing Pokemon..its basically useless from their though...you'll either get killed on the opponents attack or have a bad Pokemon to try and finish it. T.T ...so sad.

 

[fluffy]

I doubt it will be more accurate. Smogon people usually know what they're talking about.

I'm up for one though.

 

[chubb-o-wub]

Same here. I vote Tangrowth!

 

[Wii4Mii 99]

I'll make a list, too.

Same here. I vote Tangrowth!

...For what?

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99

 

[chubb-o-wub]

I vote Tangrowth to be in our OU list.

 

[mood4food77]

i was reading and came to this

the only reason why glaceon and walrein are UU is because there is no pokemon that can set up a forever ice storm, snover is not allowed in UU because he is a NFE (not fully evolved) poke, while yes there are exceptions to this rule (scyther, trapinch, pikachu, etc), but in general, NFE's are banned

so, glaceon and walrein can do amazing well in OU battles, but they must be on a team with abomasnow, wallrein stalls like crazy and glaceon sweeps

 

[Wii4Mii 99]

i was reading and came to this

the only reason why glaceon and walrein are UU is because there is no pokemon that can set up a forever ice storm, snover is not allowed in UU because he is a NFE (not fully evolved) poke, while yes there are exceptions to this rule (scyther, trapinch, pikachu, etc), but in general, NFE's are banned

so, glaceon and walrein can do amazing well in OU battles, but they must be on a team with abomasnow, wallrein stalls like crazy and glaceon sweeps

Why would NFEs be banned?

I mean, I know using things like Haunter and Kadabra in UU is like using Gengar and Alakazam in OU, but still...

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99

 

[mood4food77]

cause it completely changes the metagame around

if snover is allowed in UU, glaceon and walrein are immediately moved up to BL, where they'll die unless they have abomasnow on the same team

NFE's make the UU metagame a little bit like OU lite, which will make it very boring

they i think are making a list of NFE's that are going to be banned from competitive play, which is gonna be most of them

Haunter is banned completely, kadabra is on debate

 

[Wii4Mii 99]

cause it completely changes the metagame around

if snover is allowed in UU, glaceon and walrein are immediately moved up to BL, where they'll die unless they have abomasnow on the same team

NFE's make the UU metagame a little bit like OU lite, which will make it very boring

they i think are making a list of NFE's that are going to be banned from competitive play, which is gonna be most of them

Haunter is banned completely, kadabra is on debate

Hmm... Good point. But do remember that most NFEs, even of extremely OU Pokemon, arn't as good as their daddies.

Gabite: Pfft. Doesn't get Swords Dance. Or Fire Fang. And a suprise Draco Meteor goes off it's pathetic 50 base Special Attack. But it has 82 base Speed; One more then Gyarados. :D

Haunter: Too good. Banned.

Kadabra: Togekiss' Special ATtack and almost Infernape's Speed? That's a bit much.

Magikarp: Flail Sweep FTW?

Pupitar: Doesn't have Sand Stream and is cursed with the dreaded Rock / Ground type.

Shelgon: A lot slower than Salamence, and it's ability isn't that good for it.

Metang: 75 base Attack FTW?

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99

 

[mood4food77]

i'm not entirely sure on the ban, but here's a list of some NFE's up for debate

"Distinct from evo":
Pikachu
Scyther
Trapinch
Clamperl
Vigoroth

Obviously no threat/NU:
Golbat
Cubone
Lickitung
Seadra
Tangela
Togetic
Aipom
Yanma
Murkrow
Nosepass
Onix
Roselia

At home with UU tier Pokemon:
Sneasel
Cranidos
Piloswine
Magmar

Debatable:
Gligar (probably OK)
Misdreavus (probably OK)
Kadabra (probably BL)
Electabuzz (probably OK)

Obviously not UU/ban to BL:
Chansey
Haunter
Magneton
Rhydon
Porygon2
Dusclops



hippopatas and snover i think are completely banned from UU and NU metagame, they'll make some pokes too strong for UU and will be moved to BL (glaceon and walrein are prime examples)

 

[outofdashdwz]

I don't think Glaceon really needs hail. Sure, Snow Cloak makes it very annoying, but ScarfGlaceon is as usable without hail as ScarfChomp is without Sand. It's a nice addition, but by no means necessary. Walrein likes the hail a bit more due to Ice Body, but it was usable in Advanced without hail, and I think it is still a very sturdy UU bulky water to have, even without hail. Personally, I believe Glaceon can measure up to many of the BL Pokemon even with its cruddy typing/HP/Speed. Walrein just suffers from there's-something-else-that-does-exactly-what-I-do-but-only-better syndrome with the exception of the infinite stall set. For everything else, look to Lapras.

@Pupitar, I saw a fun Pupitar set on smogon and actually tried it in standard play. It actually worked twice out of like, 10 games or so. Hehe. The original post is here. I've found that the Curse set shown above is a lot more workable than Dragon Dance. Too many EVs lost there trying to outspeed things after x number of Dragon Dances. =/ But with Curse, you need to make sure anything with a special attack is dead before trying to setup. Either way, it's not very effective, as Pupitar is purely novelty.

 

[mood4food77]

100 accuracy blizzard off of a base 135 special attack, 120 base attack move, 180 after stab

scarfed off a 95 base speed, now add snow cloak


big pain in the ***


walrein in hail just doesn't die

 

[Deleted member]

I doubt it will be more accurate. Smogon people usually know what they're talking about.

I'm up for one though.

not really. aside from the people who run the site, none of them know....anything, really.

 

[mood4food77]

he has a point, there are so many n00bs on there, but the community is bigger there so there are more smart people to take stuff from

 

[Jihnsius]

Peetchoo is top-tier, no question about it.

 

[outofdashdwz]

100 accuracy blizzard off of a base 135 special attack, 120 base attack move, 180 after stab

scarfed off a 95 base speed, now add snow cloak


big pain in the ***


walrein in hail just doesn't die

100 acc Blizzard is nice and all, but Ice Beam off of that monster SpAtk is usually more than enough. Blizzard might OHKO something that requires 2 Ice Beams, but won't really matter too much, since it won't apply to most of OU. Most of the things in OU that get 2HKOed by Ice Beam is probably still going to remain a 2HKO with Blizzard unless the first Ice Beam does like almost 80%. I'm too tired to run some calcs, so I could be wrong. I just don't think Snow Cloak alone is enough of an advantage that it would be the cut across tiers. Garchomp would still be OU even if it didn't have Sand Veil, so I don't think Glaceon is UU only because of the lack of infinite hail. I'd say it's more because of its 65 defenses and speed (not 95) and its crappy type with a total of 1 resistance that really nullify its awesome defenses that doom it to UU. That and the fact that if it has a Choice item, SR kinda ruins it.

 

[mood4food77]

it would become too strong for UU, same with walrein

 

[Cruise]

can't wobuffet get 2 shotted? like if metagrosses first meteor mash does more than half, wont the second kill?

also i thought wob was banned cos if you have 2 wobs with leftovers sent out at the same time, you can't end the battle

 

[mood4food77]

you can't OHKO

it can encore any move it wants

you can't switch out against it


it's going to take out at least 1 pokemon gaurenteed

here is your scenario

trainer 1 sends out wob
trainer 2 sends out metagross
metagross used meteor mash
wob used encore
metagross used meteor mash
wob used Counter
metagross fainted

 

[Cruise]

but cant it be 2 shotted, like more than half health first time?

 

[mood4food77]

i highly doubt it..way too much life

 

[shadydentist]

Of course, there are pokemon that can defeat wobuffet in the OU metagame. The problem is that the user gets to choose who he switches in against, meaning that wobuffet is guaranteed to ko at least one pokemon.

 

[Deleted member]

Of course, there are pokemon that can defeat wobuffet in the OU metagame. The problem is that the user gets to choose who he switches in against, meaning that wobuffet is guaranteed to ko at least one pokemon.

wobuffet is screwed after someone uses substitute
but it IS that uber

 

[mood4food77]

it's not screwed after someone used sub

wob can encore the sub...and just wait for the time to attack

he also can waste a lot of PP on substitute too