tier..so far

[mood4food77]

wow, i jsut went onto smogon, and since most of us don't go on...here is what the list looks like


Uber:
Arceus
Darkrai
Deoxys (all forms)
Dialga
Giratina
Groudon
Ho-oh
Kyogre
Latias
Latios
Lugia
Manaphy
Mew
Mewtwo
Palkia
Rayquaza
Wobbuffet


OU:
Aerodactyl
Azelf
Blissey
Breloom
Bronzong
Celebi
Cresselia
Donphan
Dragonite
Dugtrio
Dusknoir
Electivire
Forretress
Garchomp
Gengar
Gliscor
Gyarados
Heatran
Heracross
Hippowdon
Infernape
Jirachi
Lucario
Machamp
Magnezone
Metagross
Porygon-Z
Rhyperior
Salamence
Skarmory
Slowbro
Starmie
Suicune
Swampert
Tangrowth
Togekiss
Tyranitar
Vaporeon
Weavile
Weezing
Yanmega
Zapdos


BL:
Abomasnow
Alakazam
Ambipom
Arcanine
Articuno
Blaziken
Charizard
Claydol
Cloyster
Drapion
Empoleon
Entei
Espeon
Exeggutor
Floatzel
Flygon
Gallade
Gardevoir
Hariyama
Honchkrow
Houndoom
Jolteon
Jynx
Kingdra
Leafeon
Lickilicky
Ludicolo
Magmortar
Marowak
Medicham
Mesprit
Milotic
Miltank
Mismagius
Moltres
Ninjask
Porygon2
Raikou
Ramparados
Regice
Regigigas
Regirock
Registeel
Roserade
Sceptile
Scizor
Slaking
Shaymin
Shedinja
Smeargle
Snorlax
Spiritomb
Staraptor
Steelix
Tauros
Torterra
Umbreon
Uxie
Venusaur
Zangoose



a lot of it is surprising

 

[fluffy]

i think ninjask should go in OU just because it IS overused. ever other person i play uses it :/

 

[mood4food77]

this was straight off of smogon

maybe not that many people use it anymore

i'm surprised to not see crobat up there....

milktank and jynx being in BL is pretty surprising too..

 

[MysticKenji]

Machamp is still OU? Hm...

Make sure to make edits as they occur on Smogon.

 

[mood4food77]

i will

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[Wii4Mii 99]

Some things that surprised mii:

Machamp is OU. But now that I think about it, it makes sense.

Abomasnow is BL. I thought it was UU.

Staraptor is BL, and not OU. Brave Bird and Close Combat hurt.

Also, this list makes mii think of the potential of Pokemon that are NEVER used. Examples are Articuno, Jynx, Regigigas, and the like.

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99

 

[MysticKenji]

Some things that surprised mii:

Machamp is OU. But now that I think about it, it makes sense.

Abomasnow is BL. I thought it was UU.

Staraptor is BL, and not OU. Brave Bird and Close Combat hurt.

Also, this list makes mii think of the potential of Pokemon that are NEVER used. Examples are Articuno, Jynx, Regigigas, and the like.

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99

I don't think very many people use Staraptor, so that might be why.

Also, Regigigas is like Slaking only with a WORSE ability. Double battles redeem him though.

 

[mood4food77]

i still don't think regigigas should be BL...i mean, 5 turns is a lot for any poke

basically, only blissey against a special sweeper will last that long

 

[9Kplus1]

Where's the UU/NU List?

 

[Wii4Mii 99]

Where's the UU/NU List?

lol Celebi wants to know what tier Lopunny is in.

I'd say UU.

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99

 

[mood4food77]

it's not done yet....i'll post it when it is done

 

[quam]

i thought slaking would fit into the OU's. give it a choice band and use giga impact, ouch. some pokemon in the OU list suprised me

 

[Zook]

Wynaut is also Uber.

 

[mood4food77]

well, not on this list

this is the official list too...

 

[Kaddy]

The BL metagame looks much more fun than OU.

 

[mood4food77]

but, really, the only problem i have with the tiers for pokemon is that they aren't based on skill at all, just based on usage

what happens is they determine the uber pokes, basically pokes, since that's the easiest to do

then they go and see which pokes are used the most, those become OU

then the rest of the pokes immediately go to UU, then basied a little bit on metagame and mostly on usage, they place the pokes into BL, UU, and NU

i'm still surprised to not see milotic in OU

 

[Zook]

The tiers are based on potential, M4F.

Starmie has way more potential than, say, Castform.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

ninjask=OU
machamp and dugtrio=BL

 

[mood4food77]

not pokemon tiers

it said SPECIFICALLY that it was based on usage

 

[outofdashdwz]

Seeing the once mighty Raikou being classified in the same category as a fat overgrow Christmas tree is indeed depressing =/ Sigh. Raikou. The sole reason Blisseys of advanced were forced to carry Seismic Toss (not really, but the main one at least). The only reason Dugtrios were forced to run 32 special defense EVs to survive this kitty's Hidden Power. Where is it now? Rotting along with the other denizens of BL. It seems to be almost a crime to even associate Raikou with the likes of Arcanine and Registeel. And speaking of thunder kittens falling out of OU, WTF happened to Jolteon? Oh well. I am glad that Gardevoir wasn't pushed into UU at least. With Wish and WoW being compatible with all of Gardevoir's egg moves, and Hypnosis's increased accuracy, it's become a rather interesting supporter as well as a dangerous sweeper when the time arises. Otherwise... the list looks fine, except Abomasnow and Regigigas really surprised me. I can think of plenty of UU physical sweepers that would do so much more than Regigigas can ever dream of. Kangaskhan, Stantler, and Persian come immediately to mind, but I'm sure there are plenty of others.

 

[Chill]

Yeah, Regigigas is a joke. He doesn't have any recovery moves, so the idea of him lasting 5 turns without switching is stupid.

Moo4Food, the tiers are infact based on power. If a pokemon has strong moves, a good movepoool and nice stats but not one uses it can still make OU. But if I remember correctly the tiers are partially based on usage.

 

[9Kplus1]

Regigigas seems more UU than BL, but, if it's lucky with Confuse Ray, it can stay in BL, but please, with mediocore defenses and a 230 attack for 5 turns, I'm not surprised if it'll be NU at this rate, but, there's hope... in 2v2 battles, Gigas'll need a Smeargle accompanying it , here's what a duo like that should look like-

Smeargle @Choice Scarf
Jolly Nature
EVs:252spd/252attk/4W.E
Technician

Fake Out
Trick
Gastro Acid
Filler

And...

Regigigas @Leftovers
Impish/Careful Nature
EVs:252attk/252hp/4def

EQ
Crush Grip/Mega Punch
Ice Punch/Avalache
Confuse Ray

 

[Wii4Mii 99]

Regigigas seems more UU than BL, but, if it's lucky with Confuse Ray, it can stay in BL, but please, with mediocore defenses and a 230 attack for 5 turns, I'm not surprised if it'll be NU at this rate, but, there's hope... in 2v2 battles, Gigas'll need a Smeargle accompanying it , here's what a duo like that should look like-

Smeargle @Choice Scarf
Jolly Nature
EVs:252spd/252attk/4W.E
Technician

Fake Out
Trick
Gastro Acid
Filler

And...

Regigigas @Leftovers
Impish/Careful Nature
EVs:252attk/252hp/4def

EQ
Crush Grip/Mega Punch
Ice Punch/Avalache
Confuse Ray

Regigigas' defenses arn't mediocre. Heck, if it wern't for them, Regigigas would be useless.

Besides, with Trick Room support, the Speed loss isn't a problem, and you can still use special attacks from his decent 80 Special Attack stat. His Special Attack stat can even surpass his halved Attack.

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99

 

[Kirby knight]

Wynaut is also Uber.

I honestly lol at that. What can Wynaut do that's actually game breaking?

I posted my thoughts on Wynaut in the uber thread.

Overall I'd say the tier list is shaping out for the beginning of the DP metagame it's sure to go though some twists and turns. Though how smogon declared Manaphy uber with almost no testing it beyond me, while letting things like Tyranitar run amock.

-Knight

 

[Zook]

Well, KK, Wynaut can take a hit... almost lose all of his Hp, and then kill.

 

[outofdashdwz]

Wynaut needs to take a hit to Encore, and another to kill. And more often than not, it has to take a hit switching in too. It is simply too fragile to be a menace to the metagame like its evolution is.

 

[mood4food77]

well, the list shows that in terms of eeveelutions, it goes

vaporeon
tie between jolteon, leafeon, espeon and umbreon

then glaceon and flareon will appear most likely in UU

 

[outofdashdwz]

well, the list shows that in terms of eeveelutions, it goes

vaporeon
tie between jolteon, leafeon, espeon and umbreon

then glaceon and flareon will appear most likely in UU

Yea, there is no way either of them can sink into NU. All the Eeveelutions have the same base stat total, and while Flareon got shafted on the distribution of the stats, it's still the same total of 525, much higher than most NUs (Ledian has 390). Personally, I thought Glaceon would have easily made BL despite its craptacular typing. STABbed Ice Beam off of 130 base SpAtk really really hurts unless you're a fat pink prostitute, which you can Fake Tears out. While it's not bad, I do admit that it is simply not on the same tier as Jolteon, Espeon, and Umbreon, but then again, I believe same goes for Leafeon. Glaceon is too strong for the UU metagame, which it outspeeds completely except Persian and Purugly with minimal speed EVs if holding Choice Scarf. I'd say the same for Flareon, but Nintendo simply hates Flareon too much. Even Return is stronger than its best physical STAB. And its movepool is crappy even by Eeveelution standards =/ If only this little monster learned Flare Blitz, it might even be used. Right now it can really only CB or annoy people with its WoW and Toxic and very high SpDef.

 

[Wii4Mii 99]

Yea, there is no way neither of them can sink into NU. All the Eeveelutions have the same base stat total, and while Flareon got shafted on the distribution of the stats, it's still the same total of 525, much higher than most NUs (Ledian has 390). Personally, I thought Glaceon would have easily made BL despite its craptacular typing. STABbed Ice Beam off of 130 base SpAtk really really hurts unless you're a fat pink prostitute, which you can Fake Tears out. While it's not bad, I do admit that it is simply not on the same tier as Jolteon, Espeon, and Umbreon, but then again, I believe same goes for Leafeon. Glaceon is too strong for the UU metagame, which it outspeeds completely except Persian and Purugly with minimal speed EVs if holding Choice Scarf. I'd say the same for Flareon, but Nintendo simply hates Flareon too much. Even Return is stronger than its best physical STAB. And its movepool is crappy even by Eeveelution standards =/ If only this little monster learned Flare Blitz, it might even be used. Right now it can really only CB or annoy people with its WoW and Toxic and very high SpDef.

I agree. Glaceon can take a couple of hits, thanks to its 110 Defense and 95 Special Defense, especially if you pump in some HP EVs.

At least Flareon has Fire Fang, which is OK. It's physical movepool consists of Fire Fang, Iron Tail, and Dig. =| GF, please give Flareon Flare Blitz next gen.

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99

 

[O D I N]

What exactly is BL? I know OU and UU, but BL is new to me.

 

[fluffy]

it's borderline.

borderline of being OU

 

[O D I N]

Ah, thanks.

 

[mood4food77]

basically what smogon's said tiers were....

Uber, too good for standard metagame

now while some might consider some pokes to not be up there because they can't handle uber, but they're up there cause they are WAY too powerful for OU, like manaphy, it completely ***** once it uses tail glow and rain dance is in effect, it has no problem 6-0 teams as long as blissey or cress aren't there

OU is the top of standard metagame, they are also the most commonly used pokes

BL as they said, is equal to OU, but aren't used enough to be OU, hence why milotic is BL and not OU

UU is underused, pokes that can't handle OU and BL pokes at all, they either have a good movepool without the stats to back up for it (bibarel is a great example) or the stats but no movepool to back it up (flareon and luxray are the best examples of this)

NU, pretty much the same as UU but not used as much in UU tournaments


so in battles,

Uber-anything goes

OU-OU and lower

UU- UU and NU only

 

[Wii4Mii 99]

UU is underused, pokes that can't handle OU and BL pokes at all, they either have a good movepool without the stats to back up for it (bibarel is a great example) or the stats but no movepool to back it up (flareon and luxray are the best examples of this)

If only Flareon learned Flare Blitz and Luxray learned Volt Tackle...

Doesn't Bibarel have that Super Fang thing? (I think it halves the opponent's HP)

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99

 

[mood4food77]

bibarel has an amazing movepool, heck, he's even got 2 above average abilities...

his stats are crap though


flareon and luxray both have 525 BST, which is among the top 100 highest BST totals in the game, but do they have a movepool to back them up....


don't know what glaceon's deal is...

 

[outofdashdwz]

If only Flareon learned Flare Blitz and Luxray learned Volt Tackle...

Doesn't Bibarel have that Super Fang thing? (I think it halves the opponent's HP)

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99

It does get Super Fang :D Raticate, Bibarel and Pachirusu =/ If I had to use one, I'd use Bibarel, because both of its signature abilities are simply so fun :] If this thing were bulkier, I would seriously use it to counter DDChomp/Mence/Draggy/Gyara. Lmao. Switch in and take an unboosted hit (In Gyarados's case, it's likely to be NVE too), and hit back with Life Orb IB/Thunder. It OHKOs with Life Orb, but the primary problem is that they'll always be faster and you WILL die to a second hit, even without the attack boost. =/ But Charge Beam is cool with Bibarel's other ability. A free Tail Glow is hawt. :]

 

[KevinM]

Can someone explain why Wobuffet is uber again?
I knew it had to do with encore mirror coat right

 

[outofdashdwz]

Basically, Wobbuffet is used as such:

Switch in, Encore them. If it's a stat-upping move, switch to a set up Pokemon of your own. Example: Encore a Ninjask's Swords Dance, switch to your Linoone, Belly Drum as they switch, thus activating your Salac, and sweep with Extremespeed.

If it's a physical attack...
Metagross used Meteor Mash!
Wobbuffet used Encore!
Metagross used Meteor Mash!
Wobbuffet used Counter!
Metagross =


If it's a special attack...
Azelf used Grass Knot!
Wobbuffet used Encore!
Azelf used Grass Knot!
Wobbuffet used Mirror Coat!
Azelf =

 

[Wii4Mii 99]

Basically, Wobbuffet is used as such:

Switch in, Encore them. If it's a stat-upping move, switch to a set up Pokemon of your own. Example: Encore a Ninjask's Swords Dance, switch to your Linoone, Belly Drum as they switch, thus activating your Salac, and sweep with Extremespeed.

If it's a physical attack...
Metagross used Meteor Mash!
Wobbuffet used Encore!
Metagross used Meteor Mash!
Wobbuffet used Counter!
Metagross =


If it's a special attack...
Azelf used Grass Knot!
Wobbuffet used Encore!
Azelf used Grass Knot!
Wobbuffet used Mirror Coat!
Azelf =

In fact, in Ubers, people don't even use Wobbufet because it's a cheap way to KO one of the opponent's Pokemon. People like this show good sportsmanship.

Oh yeah, outofdash didn't mention that Wobbufet's ability, Shadow Tag, prevents the opponent from switching out. So they basically lose at least one Pokemon.

Until wii meet again,
Wii4Mii 99

 

[IC3R]

I heard that they were thinking about moving Rayquaza to the OU tier solely because of Ice Shard...which I don't think is true...

Cause think, if you don't have an Ice Sharder on your team, you're pretty much screwed! :D

Of course...a Motor Drived E-Vire can take it down easily...I did it twice!

But whatever...I wouldn't use it anyway...