Thoughts on what the 3DS version really is compared to the Wii U.

[Goten21]

I'm not so sure we should just be hopeful like that is my main point in everything here.

It's just not acceptable to use something as a demo, but promote it like an actual game
But maybe I'm taking "demo" too literal

The main reason I think anyone would think this might be a sort of demo for the Wii U, is because of the release point gap
I personally think the gap is mainly there because of sales, but I'm always open for (I don't know any better word for it, so I'll just call it like that) conspirisies

 

[SpiderJerusalem]

Focus on 3DS rather than Wii U. It's not Nintendo's fault everybody has a 3DS. That's precisely why the Wii U isn't doing well. That mindset. More emphasis on Wii U equals more Wii U's being sold, no? The 3DS is at it's point where you don't even NEED to prioritize it to get big sales from it.

I think this is the biggest thing, if the Wii U is to survive this generation, Nintendo needs to be way more aggressive with its marketing strategies

 

[boss_man_sippy]

I think this is the biggest thing, if the Wii U is to survive this generation, Nintendo needs to be way more aggressive with its marketing strategies

Honestly, I think there is going to be a huge surge in Wii U sales in the months leading up to SSB4 release date, and probably continue to stay up for the following months.. Smash is a game that people will go out of there way to buy a Wii U just for the sole purpose of Smash.

 

[ImaClubYou]

It's just not acceptable to use something as a demo, but promote it like an actual game
But maybe I'm taking "demo" too literal

The main reason I think anyone would think this might be a sort of demo for the Wii U, is because of the release point gap
I personally think the gap is mainly there because of sales, but I'm always open for (I don't know any better word for it, so I'll just call it like that) conspirisies

I'm pretty sure the 3DS version will help sell Wii U's. Not so sure if the help will be minimal or phenominal.

 

[Goten21]

I think this is the biggest thing, if the Wii U is to survive this generation, Nintendo needs to be way more aggressive with its marketing strategies

I'm pretty sure the 3DS version will help sell Wii U's. Not so sure if the help will be minimal or phenominal.

Exactly why it's being released in the winter

With the 3DS, people can see how the game is (I finally understand what people mean by demo, haha), and buy the Wii U version for the holidays

 

[ImaClubYou]

Exactly why it's being released in the winter

With the 3DS, people can see how the game is (I finally what people understand by demo, haha), and buy the Wii U version for the holidays

It's honestly more of a double edged sword in my opinion. It could potentially skyrocket the sales of the Wii U or barely be influential to it at all.

 

[LancerStaff]

It's moreso a big majority of people who think the Directs are mediocre, but that discussion is for another time.

Cranky Kong. Bad reveal for a bad show. I agree with the opinion that it is a horribe show. But it's still a bad reveal. Why would you reveal Cranky Kong for a C+ game in the first place?

No show at E3. I think people care, bro. They honestly could've been 10 times more hype if they presented ALL those awesome things live. ESPECIALLY the very first Smash Bros. trailer. A LOT of people would've cared.

Focus on 3DS rather than Wii U. It's not Nintendo's fault everybody has a 3DS. That's precisely why the Wii U isn't doing well. That mindset. More emphasis on Wii U equals more Wii U's being sold, no? The 3DS is at it's point where you don't even NEED to prioritize it to get big sales from it.

You're looking at the wrong place if you're looking for the majority. 90% of Miiverse likes the directs. Just because a few people on here don't like for Glory and hate how Ridley was disconfirmed (if at all) doesn't mean squat. Smashboards only makes up less than 1% of SSB sales, assuming every account bought a copy.

...How can DKTF only be a C+ game when one of Nintendo's "known" dev teams made it and everybody and their mother is requesting K.Rool and Dixie?

Some people care about showing at E3. Some people don't. Most of Miiverse hasn't even heard of it.

Nintendo doesn't need Wii Us sold. Nintendo can afford to let it cruise along and put the 3DS in the spotlight. In fact, I could argue focusing on the 3DS will make Nintendo more money in the long run.

 

[Smash G]

Fire Emblem Awakening

Nowhere near the amount of work involved in that.

 

[ImaClubYou]

You're looking at the wrong place if you're looking for the majority. 90% of Miiverse likes the directs. Just because a few people on here don't like for Glory and hate how Ridley was disconfirmed (if at all) doesn't mean squat. Smashboards only makes up less than 1% of SSB sales, assuming every account bought a copy.

...How can DKTF only be a C+ game when one of Nintendo's "known" dev teams made it and everybody and their mother is requesting K.Rool and Dixie?

Some people care about showing at E3. Some people don't. Most of Miiverse hasn't even heard of it.

Nintendo doesn't need Wii Us sold. Nintendo can afford to let it cruise along and put the 3DS in the spotlight. In fact, I could argue focusing on the 3DS will make Nintendo more money in the long run.

I don't know why Miiverse is the main focus. They are the people that already own a Wii U and most likely a 3DS. That's why directs are pointless for an event like E3. People that don't OWN Wii U's are looking for a reason to have one.

DKTF is a C+ game to me because it didn't sell well BECAUSE of the limited hardware sales being Wii U. It's a A+ title otherwise, imo. I do own a copy.

Once again, Miiverse isn't the main focus, those people have Wii U's. The focus is on people who don't have it.

To your last point. With that mindset I doubt you can sell console's in the future. In fact, you'll be relying on an old piece of hardware with an obvious time limit. The 3DS can't last forever, I'm sure you can agree with that as a fact. In time demand for better graphics, better hardware, and new intuitive ideas for a game will catch up to the 3DS.

 

[Chimera]

You have to take into consideration that Nintendo just doesn't know what disrespect or being a douche is.

Do you?

Take a look at all there recent F ups they had in the recent past.

Ok.

Cranky Kong

Adding a new playable character is a mistake? Or do you mean revealing him at the VGX show after you overhyped yourself into thinking there would be some massive blowout of information? Either way, no mistake made.

no show at E3

How is this disrespectful? They showed a direct that announced the game we're all waiting for, and a bunch of other great looking games.

mediocre directs

Maybe to you.

more emphasis on 3DS games then Wii U

Successful system is successful. That's not disrespectful and is just being responsible. Giving a steady stream of games to their customers.

and the games for the Wii U itself

Like the best Mario game since Mario Galaxy for example?

I'm starting to believe they just don't know anymore.

I'm starting to believe you're feeling entitled.

It's possible that the 3DS IS our glorified demo, but Sakurai just doesn't know that's a low blow.

Sakurai is MAKING the game. This sentence doesn't even make sense.

 

[ImaClubYou]

@ Chimera : I'm just going to ignore you since all you're doing is adding the wrong things together and trying to give me a bad image. I'm looking for respectable debate, not baseless flame wars.

 

[SpiderJerusalem]

Nowhere near the amount of work involved in that.

New models with new abilities, classes, moves, etc.

 

[Chimera]

@ Chimera : I'm just going to ignore you since all you're doing is adding the wrong things together and trying to give me a bad image. I'm looking for respectable debate, not baseless flame wars.

You don't like opposing views. That's fine. I didn't flame you at all.

 

[SpiderJerusalem]

Honestly, I think there is going to be a huge surge in Wii U sales in the months leading up to SSB4 release date, and probably continue to stay up for the following months.. Smash is a game that people will go out of there way to buy a Wii U just for the sole purpose of Smash.

Brawl was the best selling Wii game IIRC, if it wasn't it was easily top 3 (along with Mario Kart). So new Mario Kart and Smash will really motivate people to buy the console.

 

[boss_man_sippy]

Brawl was the best selling Wii game IIRC, if it wasn't it was easily top 3 (along with Mario Kart). So new Mario Kart and Smash will really motivate people to buy the console.

Hopefully the new Zelda drops this year too! It's shaping up to be quite the year for Nintendo!

 

[ImaClubYou]

I'll respond to you this one time. I'll do us a favor a exclude your pointless attempts to start a flame war.

Do you?

Ok.

Adding a new playable character is a mistake? Or do you mean revealing him at the VGX show after you overhyped yourself into thinking there would be some massive blowout of information? Either way, no mistake made.

First off, I wasn't overhyped. You should learn to debate without baseless assumptions. I was actually preparing for some pathetic reveal of anything and I guess I was correct.

How is this disrespectful? They showed a direct that announced the game we're all waiting for, and a bunch of other great looking games.

My point on disrespect is not valid towards this statement. E3 would've attracted more attention if it was a live presentation. The only people that looked at the Direct are people who care about Nintendo, meaning people who own Nintendo consoles, meaning people who own Nintendo consoles who went to E3, meaning that Nintendo was only pinpointing their already loyal fanbase which results in no one else caring to buy a Wii U except people who own their consoles. Which is obviously a bad idea.

Maybe to you.

Successful system is successful. That's not disrespectful and is just being responsible. Giving a steady stream of games to their customers.

Disrespect doesn't pertain to this either. It's also not being responsible. You're losing money BECAUSE they Wii U isn't selling anything. It's depressingly big news WHEN the company makes a profit. And again, if you ran a company with that mindset you couldn't sell consoles after your first one. If N64 had better games than the GameCube and you stuck with the N64 forever, you'd quickly lose to your competition being PS3 and XBox360.

Like the best Mario game since Mario Galaxy for example? I'm starting to believe you're feeling entitled.

What's this about? Did you just make something up? I'm talking about release dates, buddy. I'm starting to believe you're entitled as well because you think 3D World is the best? I personally have no opinion on it.

Sakurai is MAKING the game. This sentence doesn't even make sense.

I don't see how being the creator of something makes you the smartest man in the world. Everyone makes mistakes, look at the mistakes Brawl had. Tripping? Pointless statement you made there.

 

[Networker1]

Just thought I'd mention that Nintendo makes money as soon as you buy a Wii U + a game, and since the most system owners have done that, I don't see how you think the Wii U is losing Nintendo money. They have reported lower gains than expected but not loss. (AFAIK at least)

Actual question though: How is the 3ds when it comes to 4 player? Any lag? Because that's the only thing I see really hurting the 3ds version... aside from needing 4 3dses (3dsi, 3dss?)

 

[ImaClubYou]

Just thought I'd mention that Nintendo makes money as soon as you buy a Wii U + a game, and since the most system owners have done that, I don't see how you think the Wii U is losing Nintendo money. They have reported lower gains than expected but not loss. (AFAIK at least)

It's definitely true, especially since they're outpacing the PS4 in Japan. But what also holds true is the losses the Wii U has cost in the past because of poor marketing and advertising in the past thus leading to the meager pocket change they have been receiving.

 

[Mr. Mumbles]

My actual concern is that the 3ds version will hurt sales of the Wii U release - while looking at the more casual demographic that is. Many people own a 3ds without owning or having intent to own a Wii U, many people. Had the Wii U version been released first, many more people would have felt inclined to purchase the console simply for the enjoyment of Smash Bros, which is a trend we saw on the Wii. With the 3ds version coming out half a year sooner, many of these potential buyers are instead going to get their "fix" of smash through the 3ds version, feeling less inclined towards buying the "same" game, a game they've already been playing for the last 5-6 months and have began to grow tired of. Ultimately, these people will then decide to just play the Wii U version with their friend that has a Wii U instead of buying their own console, causing the 3ds become the more personal version that everyone has, and the Wii U version being the version that only one person per friend group needs to have bought. I really hope this doesn't happen, but I feel like it will - many people hesitate to purchase a Wii U. That being said, the increase of purchases from Mario Kart 8 might motivate more buyers.

Let me emphasize that I'm talking about the extreme casual demographic, so I know most people here will buy both versions no matter what.

But then again isn't the extreme casual demographic most likely to buy games around Christmas? They may well not have bought Smash yet 6 months down the road. Granted the question remains as to whether Smash would be enough reason to get a WiiU, but when combined with Mario Kart and such, maybe.

 

[SpiderJerusalem]

But then again isn't the extreme casual demographic most likely to buy games around Christmas? They may well not have bought Smash yet 6 months down the road. Granted the question remains as to whether Smash would be enough reason to get a WiiU, but when combined with Mario Kart and such, maybe.

I still think the couch multiplayer is what's gonna draw people to buy a Wii U for Smash/Mario Kart, MK7 was excellent and I'm sure Smash 3DS will be as well, but Mario Kart and Smash are series that are meant to be played with friends on the same TV in the same living room for big parties so everybody can watch their friends **** up while they're all smashed (heh) and laugh about it.

 

[aBBYS]

I strongly believe the 3DS version will NOT be a "test" or a "beta" version - Sakurai wouldn't do that. The only things the 3DS version will be missing, I think, is content related to space limitations. Even if you opt for a 4GB game card, that's still 21GB less than what fits onto a Wii U disc. Of course the Wii U version will have more content, but that doesn't mean the 3DS version will be bare scraped in any way. Look at Sakurai's earlier game Kid Icarus Uprising - it has more content than most Wii U titles.

 

[Hayzie]

That's nice. No real thought on the matter you just want to shut everything down for no reason.

More like you just stated nothing but the opposite of my ideas. Whatever.

I feel there's more to it then some peoples baseless conclusions.

I assume you jump to baseless conclusions like why you think I would be angry all the time. But okay. If you have nothing to add to the thread then see you later.

@Smashoperatingbuddy123: That's more or less exactly what I think is in the realm of possibility.

Man what is your problem?

Anyways, I agree with Chimera. Smash is a pretty big deal and the Nintendo handhelds are absolutely no exception here, especially since the DS brand. Portable gaming has been at its best and a game especially like Smash is not going to be watered down as a demo or beta test. It's going to be as full as a portable game should be. It's only natural that the Wii U version is going to get some extra music, maybe some other features like artwork and other surprise modes we don't know about, but at their core... both versions will house the same meat for the matter.

 

[Hitzel]

The 3DS version doesn't look like it's going to underperform, especially with that 60 FPS being confirmed. Kid Icarus was an amazing game and I'm expecting Smash 3D to perform similarly.

 

[Lautsuu~]

This thread's giving me a headache.

I strongly believe that the 3DS Version won't be a lousy demo. Why would it be? What proof do you have?

Nintendo's actually played it safe by releasing the Wii U version later. It's near to Christmas. And what is one of the main things people buy at Christmas? Consoles and games. Especially home consoles and games that are immensely popular. Sales for both the Wii U and Smash Bros U will be booming at Christmas, so, yeah. And also, what about the people in Japan? I can honestly say they're going to be the ones who will cause the success of the Wii U version, and the Wii U itself, because they will probably get it first.

...This post doesn't make sense, does it?

 

[Hayzie]

This thread's giving me a headache.

I strongly believe that the 3DS Version won't be a lousy demo. Why would it be? What proof do you have?

Nintendo's actually played it safe by releasing the Wii U version later. It's near to Christmas. And what is one of the main things people buy at Christmas? Consoles and games. Especially home consoles and games that are immensely popular. Sales for both the Wii U and Smash Bros U will be booming at Christmas, so, yeah. And also, what about the people in Japan? I can honestly say they're going to be the ones who will cause the success of the Wii U version, and the Wii U itself, because they will probably get it first.

...This post doesn't make sense, does it?

It does. I'm just rather offended by the original post. Beta? Demo? What is this, Sony All-Stars?

 

[Hitzel]

What I can't fathom is how one of the first things stated the Direct was "3DS 60 FPS at all times confirmed" and the first thing people thought was "this is inferior."

...

...

 

[TheMagicalKuja]

That's because GRAPHICS.

 

[ImaClubYou]

Man what is your problem?

Anyways, I agree with Chimera. Smash is a pretty big deal and the Nintendo handhelds are absolutely no exception here, especially since the DS brand. Portable gaming has been at its best and a game especially like Smash is not going to be watered down as a demo or beta test. It's going to be as full as a portable game should be. It's only natural that the Wii U version is going to get some extra music, maybe some other features like artwork and other surprise modes we don't know about, but at their core... both versions will house the same meat for the matter.

Maybe you should read what he says before you jump on me like that. The last person you should be getting any concrete info is from him, lol. I might even say you made an alternate account.

And, you're assuming that Smash will be awesome, just like how people thought Sony All Stars would be awesome. I won't take that as a form of rebuttal towards anything I said until I actually play the game.

 

[smashbro29]

IIRC, Brawl's roster was spoiled before the game came out. Secret characters and all. Even if they were hidden under question marks they were still available to us online.

After the Japanese release, yes.

Before? No.

 

[Hayzie]

Maybe you should read what he says before you jump on me like that. The last person you should be getting any concrete info is from him, lol. I might even say you made an alternate account.

And, you're assuming that Smash will be awesome, just like how people thought Sony All Stars would be awesome. I won't take that as a form of rebuttal towards anything I said until I actually play the game.

I did read what he said. He gave an opinion and you continued to lash out on him just for having a thought opposite of yours, and then moving on to saying that he is basing his conclusion on no evidence when Sakurai clearly states that both version will share the same roster, furthermore telling him to not bother posting if he has nothing good to say. You saying Smash 3DS is a demo shares 1 similarity with him saying Smash 3DS and Smash Wii U will ultimately be the same: the similarity being that it's an opinion.

To be frank, if you've been paying attention to all the Smash details (for the sake of this discussion, particularly the 3DS version) you'd no there's nothing skimpy about the game.

Alternate account. That's funny. Sorry, but while I'm not new to Smash, I am new to here.

 

[ImaClubYou]

I did read what he said. He gave an opinion and you continued to lash out on him just for having a thought opposite of yours, and then moving on to saying that he is basing his conclusion on no evidence when Sakurai clearly states that both version will share the same roster, furthermore telling him to not bother posting if he has nothing good to say. You saying Smash 3DS is a demo shares 1 similarity with him saying Smash 3DS and Smash Wii U will ultimately be the same: the similarity being that it's an opinion.

To be frank, if you've been paying attention to all the Smash details (for the sake of this discussion, particularly the 3DS version) you'd no there's nothing skimpy about the game.

Alternate account. That's funny. Sorry, but while I'm not new to Smash, I am new to here.

Actually, he just wanted to disprove anything I said without reason. Read his first post.

I feel no need to justify myself after resolving this argument days ago, so just drop it. If you want to continue this debate, please go by your own means, not his/hers.

Also, please be aware that I NEVER said anything about the roster size, nor does it imply that a game is not a demo simply because of that notion.

If you have been paying attention to the direct, you would know why people would think the game is considered a demo to people who ultimately want the Wii U version more.

 

[Hayzie]

You're funny.

 

[Lautsuu~]

Actually, he just wanted to disprove anything I said without reason. Read his first post.

I feel no need to justify myself after resolving this argument days ago, so just drop it. If you want to continue this debate, please go by your own means, not his/hers.

Also, please be aware that I NEVER said anything about the roster size, nor does it imply that a game is not a demo simply because of that notion.

If you have been paying attention to the direct, you would know why people would think the game is considered a demo to people who ultimately want the Wii U version more.

It's not his fault you can't play nice when someone has a different opinion from you...gee.

 

[ImaClubYou]

It's not his fault you can't play nice when someone has a different opinion from you...gee.

Ahem. Let me emphasize. I have been having respectable debate with everyone else who have opposing views to mine. Maybe you should read the entire thread before blathering nonsense about me not respecting differentiating opinions.

Actually, the both of you should read before you write.

 

[Hayzie]

So many people disagree, and it's always "maybe you should read what they said".

I don't think reading is a problem for people here.

 

[ImaClubYou]

So many people disagree, and it's always "maybe you should read what they said".

I don't think reading is a problem for people here.

You're not everyone, buddy.

 

[SpiderJerusalem]

Actually, he just wanted to disprove anything I said without reason. Read his first post.

Ok well let's read it

They don't have to show you all the characters before the game releases. The 3ds will have all the characters upon release. There won't be DLC to hide characters until the Wii U version comes out. The 3ds won't get characters after the Wii U version.

I see nothing in there that indicates that he wanted to disprove anything you said, all he did was disagree. Funny how opinions clash.

 

[Hayzie]

You're not everyone, buddy.

No wonder you chose Lloyd as your avatar. He had cool artstyle and moves, but he was an annoying teenager who was still learning.

I am not everyone, you're right. Never claimed that. Anyways, I'm done arguing with you. It's not getting anywhere.

 

[ImaClubYou]

Ok well let's read it

I see nothing in there that indicates that he wanted to disprove anything you said, all he did was disagree. Funny how opinions clash.

That's not his first post.

@ Hayzie : If you're gonna judge me off my avatar then that's cool. Says a lot.

If I judged you off of Shiek, I'd call you a loner with no real future.

 

[SpiderJerusalem]

That's not his first post.

Idk what you're talking about, that was Chimera's first post in this thread. Are you talking about another post elsewhere?