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Theory = Smash Bros DLC is a thank you to third parties

Colololin

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I see a lot of people throwing the notion that you need to be "iconic" or something to get into Super Smash Bros but I have been sitting on a theory for a while and as a former Wii U owner that saw Nintendo's troubles first hand I can safely say I believe some of you are drawing conclusions because of the name of the franchise when in reality, it is likely a lot more simple.

With Wii U, Nintendo had crashed in the console market and companies such as EA were constantly banging their drums about how they were doomed. However, among these naysayers there stood several companies that helped them out as a favour, and additionally, stood on the platform singing Switch's praises before or just after the system launched. I have noticed a pattern but not the same one, and Banjo is kind of the exception. I believe the whole DLC passes to have been built around Nintendo promoting Switch games for themselves and rewarding the companies that stood out and defended or assisted them while they were down.

Corporate suits do take notice of the comments of many antagonistic journalists and analysts such as Geoff Keighley and Michael Pachter and it can annoy them just as much as the fans. So when Koei, Bethesda and Epic are singing Switch's praises and saying how third parties failed for not backing it, yet companies like Capcom or EA are either "waiting and seeing" or claiming "they've been so underpowered that they don't have the support of the third parties" what would you do as a CEO?

The evidence

Shin Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem and Minecraft both existed on Wii U despite the developers knowing the system had failed. SNK Heorines was signed in a exclusive deal for physical distribution in summer 2017 between Nintendo Europe and NISA. Square Enix were laughing all the way to the bank with their JRPGs and other rumoured characters include both Ryu Hayabusa and Doom Guy while Fortnite has had "no comment" despite Mark Rein saying how great it was for UE4 to exist on Switch and how they outright marketed the engine for Japanese developers to use when the system was launching.

Capcom having no contract

There was evidence of a Monster Hunter character before launch as music was paired with the fighter section but seemingly have no plans for DLC. Well given Capcom's little blackmail threat to Switch owners about making us buy Street Fighter 2 at an inflated price and excluding Monster Hunter from intial planning for the future despite it gainging popularity in the west because Nintendo backed it, this was a bad move by them and they paid for it.

If you want to work out who the remaining DLC characters are look at who never publicly bashed their systems, who was backing Wii U as a favour or who was putting Switch on a pedestal before Smash Bros was released. It contributes the notion that Nintendo picked the characters because Nintendo would only pick characters to promote and they want to reward them for backing them while they were down. How big the franchise is does not matter because it is companies that backed them while they were down being rewarded for their efforts by getting in the biggest crossover in video games and gaining DLC royalties from characters sold.

Problem EA and Capcom?
 

RetrogamerMax

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Well, Fatmanonice Fatmanonice had a similar theory to yours awhile back. But I agree with some of it like how some 3rd party developers are getting characters in Ultimate's DLC as a reward for backing Nintendo up during the Wii U days. Not all but certain developers.

I also believe the Smash Ballot also happened due to the Wii U not doing as well in sales as Nintendo expected. It said on the Japanese Smash website that the Smash Ballot was used as a suggestion box and the data would be used for future games so it's very likely the case. Sakurai confirmed Ridley, K. Rool, the Belmonts, and the cut veterans all were popular Ballot requests and got in due to the Ballot. Some older forgotten characters and IPs are starting to rise from the grave so there's that.
 

Colololin

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Interesting. I have had the theory for a while because only Banjo is up in the air but it depends on what truth there is to the initial rumours that Ryu and Doom Guy are in and if Marty Stratton was lying. The Capcom leak only increased the suspicion.
 

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Despite Bethesda being purchased and acquired by Microsoft, I would still consider Doom Slayer a Bethesda rep and not a Microsoft one since if he is planned for Fighter's Pass 2 he was decided before the Microsoft purchase of Bethesda.
 

Fatmanonice

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I agree with this to an extent.

-Konami has a long history with Nintendo but I would be hard pressed to deem them "loyal" anymore. They've had a weird relationship since the N64 days. The history is definitely there but Konami hasn't really been a big Nintendo supporter in ages.

-SEGA definitely. They've been a bro since the GameCube days. No questions asked.

-Capcom is another weird one. Long history and "franchise loyalty" is all over the place. Things like Megaman, Ace Attorney, and Monster Hunter definitely have a giant presense on Nintendo platforms. Stuff like Street Fighter and Resident Evil is a mixed bag. The fact Devil May Cry actually has games on Switch now is a pretty big deal and the fact that Capcom got three games out including a remaster in roughly 8 months is really impressive.

-Namco is so hard slept on for another rep that it absolutely kills me. "Loyal" since the NES days, Namco has never really left Nintendo's side. Beyond this, Namco has been involved with Smash for most a decade now and neither Smash 4 or Ultimate would exist without them.

-Square Enix is one I definitely believe is because of 3DS and Switch support. Obvious checkered history because of the big break up over FF VII but they patched things up with time. In my opinion, them and Bethesda being the first third parties to officially come out and support the Switch in 2016 was a huge deal and Nintendo and Square Enix have been decently tight since.

-Platinum is absolutely because of Wonderful 101 and Bayonetta on Wii U. An underrated smart move on Nintendo's part back then.

-Atlus's long time support isn't immediately apparent because a good chunk of their games on the Nintendo side of things were Japanese exclusives. Nintendo has also made it very clear that they want Persona to have a future on Nintendo consoles and tapping Joker for Ultimate was a gateway for that.

-Microsoft and Nintendo have become increasingly chummy the last five years and everyone has noticed. Minecraft, Ori, Cuphead, Banjo in Smash, etc and even rumors for Chief Smash and even Halo on Switch have been around for a few years now. I also like the fact that neither company has exactly been subtle that a big reason for the partnership is an ongoing "**** you" to Sony.

-SNK is another one that's not immediately apparent but SNK has been a hard supporter of Nintendo's VC since the Wii and SNK were available as part of the Switch's"arcade" very early on.

Beyond this, two companies I definitely see happening are:

-Koei Tecmo. I was skeptical most of this year but AoC convinced me. Nintendo has now trusted Koei Tecmo with Zelda, Metroid, and Fire Emblem and that trust is definitely still strong. Three Houses deserved all the praise it got and AoC was like best selling Musuo game ever... In only four days. With rumors of Ninja Gaiden coming back since 2018, Ryu Hayabusa joining Smash seems like a lay up now.

-Activision. People often don't think about it but Activision has had a good presence on Nintendo platforms since the N64. Something that often slips under the radar is that Skylanders was supposed to be a Nintendo exclusive but Nintendo turned them down at first because they were already experimenting with what would become Amiibo. Can you imagine if that had gone through? The whole toys to life fad would have been Nintendo's cashcow and Activision was willing to do that. Anyways, the relationship is still really good and the elephant in the room is that, now that Microsoft, Ubisoft, and Bethesda now all have some sort of presence in Smash, Activision is the last really big and influential Western company that's absent.
 
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