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Theory on yet unrevealed characters and the WiiU/Future Unannounced DLC Discussion

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:lucas: Where did you find that pic?
:wolf: We can't tell for sure. His voice actors (JPN and English) could've recorded some lines for the Star Fox Taunts only....
:popo: Highly unlikely due to the removal of the chaingrab mechanic......
I still think the first two Lucas and Wolf are shoe in's simply because all if not most of their data can be transferred over to Smash unlike Mewtwo being built from the ground up.
 

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I still think the first two Lucas and Wolf are shoe in's simply because all if not most of their data can be transferred over to Smash unlike Mewtwo being built from the ground up.
I'd like to see Lucas, but with a greater emphasis on the PK Moves in Mother 3 (such as using PK Love)

Wolf could happen, but I'd like it if he had a different set of specials to set him apart from the Star Fox team

I'm surprised you haven't said a thing about IC

Seriously though, where did you get that Lucas pic?
 
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I'd like to see Lucas, but with a greater emphasis on the PK Moves in Mother 3 (such as using PK Love)

Wolf could happen, but I'd like it if he had a different set of specials to set him apart from the Star Fox team

I'm surprised you haven't said a thing about IC

Seriously though, where did you get that Lucas pic?
A friend made it. :)
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:lucas: Where did you find that pic?
:wolf: We can't tell for sure. His voice actors (JPN and English) could've recorded some lines for the Star Fox Taunts only....
:popo: Highly unlikely due to the removal of the chaingrab mechanic......
I hate this ****ing consensus about "because they removed Chaingrabs thats the reason they removed Ice Climbers" bull****, I highly, HIGHLY doubt that wasn't even a thought of a reason they removed Ice Climbers.

Chaingrabs wasn't even an official thing, you might as well say "Due to the removal of Wavedashing mechanic..."
 
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I hate this ****ing consensus about "because they removed Chaingrabs thats the reason they removed Ice Climbers" bull****, I highly, HIGHLY doubt that wasn't even a thought of a reason they removed Ice Climbers.

Chaingrabs wasn't even an official thing, you might as well say "Due to the removal of Wavedashing mechanic..."
I know that the removal of chaingrabs wasn't the reason they got cut, but it could be a reason for them to stay cut, despite DLC....

BTW, the wavedash mechanic is pretty global in Melee, everyone has it.... chaingrabs is also pretty global, but the 2-in-1 desynced IC would be the only characters with the ability to chaingrab in the entire game if they come back as DLC.
 

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I'd like to see Lucas, but with a greater emphasis on the PK Moves in Mother 3 (such as using PK Love)

Wolf could happen, but I'd like it if he had a different set of specials to set him apart from the Star Fox team

I'm surprised you haven't said a thing about IC

Seriously though, where did you get that Lucas pic?
Lucas' down and up smashes are already PK Love. Notice the hexagonal shapes.
 

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but the 2-in-1 desynced IC would be the only characters with the ability to chaingrab in the entire game if they come back as DLC.
Do you have a single fact to back that claim?

Also wavedashing wasn't intended, neither were chain grabs.
 
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Chaingrabs were removed by adding a 1 second cooldown after the throwing an enemy (or said enemy escaped), but the Ice Climbers are two different characters, the other one could grab the instant the first one throws
Just like how Luma can grab right? Also pretty sure the 1 second cooldown also makes them immune to being grabbed as well

Also that didn't really say how Ice Climbers would be able to chaingrab in Smash 4
 
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I don't care what anyone says in my Opinion :popo::lucas::wolf:
There is a gigantic whole in the roster without these 3.
I seriously hope they reclaim their slot on the roster.
As much I really don't care about Wolf and I doubt Lucas will come back due to being a Japan-Only character, I do wish Ice Climbers to come back, which I still doubt because of the lack of machine power due to the "control 2 characters at once" system. If they could do something about it and thus arrange more on the IC's to make them fitful again, then I'd be glad enough no matter what form the become to return.

As much I'm glad Mewtwo's gonna return, as that means they're not bringing him back from Melee's old (and damned) data but rebuilding him from scratch, I wonder if that'll mean they're keeping the old move sets, or giving him new ones instead? I'd rather giving him new moves because the Melee version was too cheap entirely which made him too weak for being an ultimate life form.
Plus if Nintendo's also planning for a pack including Mewtwo inside, I hope that would be a "Returning Veterans Pack", which includes Ice Climbers and maybe Wolf. But that's just my theory, if they're planning to add something along with the DH trailer.
 

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I want Wolf back because more antagonists are a good thing.

I want Ice Climbers back because of their tenure in Smash and they are a unique fighter.

Lucas? Ehhhh, I might be the only one who doesn't care that much.
 

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I want Wolf back because more antagonists are a good thing.

I want Ice Climbers back because of their tenure in Smash and they are a unique fighter.

Lucas? Ehhhh, I might be the only one who doesn't care that much.
Exactly, villains and antagonists do have important roles to their series, and they should add more to them as playable rosters. As much I don't care on Wolf, I do think he's good enough to return as well, unless they change his entire move set to something more original than being similar to Fox's. And if they'll add in more villain/antagonist characters as DLC in Smash, then I'd wish for Medusa as my #1 choice.

Yes, definitely Ice Climbers are an unique character, the first character to move 2 characters at once. I could blame on the 3DS version for not having enough power to bring them back, so if they could do something for the IC to return without any machine power problems, then I'd be happy enough to play them again. Unless if they could remove the chain grab thing (which I still don't understand what everybody's talking about as I do think it's just a glitch).
 

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What is so great about the IC's? I personally think they were annoying.

Back to the THEORY since everyone is off subject, perhaps Sak-Man does have a couple surprises left as we connect the 3DS version to the Wii U
 

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How can you be so sure?

It personally wouldn't surprise me to see him as DLC, but I think his chances aren't as high as we all think. Sure, there's the new Star Fox, but he'd feel like some kind of promotional gimmick rather than an actual character
Because his cut is unjustified and if :4darkpit::4drmario::4lucina: and:mewtwopm: can get in why can't Wolf. The new Star Fox is a bonus and keeps Star Fox relevant.
 

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That would **** people off even more. That and now everyone's starting to support Wolf coming back as DLC.
See I know it bugs me that Lani Minella the voice of Lucas came back to voice the koppalings but I can understand that because he is still in the clear for DLC, But Wolf coming back just to record lines on his own God Damn Stage, That would be the biggest F you Sakurai could ever pull that's like bringing back Pit just to speak on Palutena's temple and then just not use the actor for lines to make a character. Wolf is the most likely in my opinion, This is why my full support is on my other two mains Lucas and the Eskimos because I worry about them, with Wolf however I know there is a huge thread here an the fact he is trumping K Rool on a Poll for characters he is going to be in at some point I Can Really Feel It:4shulk:(reference to British Wolf)
 

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See I know it bugs me that Lani Minella the voice of Lucas came back to voice the koppalings but I can understand that because he is still in the clear for DLC, But Wolf coming back just to record lines on his own God Damn Stage, That would be the biggest F you Sakurai could ever pull that's like bringing back Pit just to speak on Palutena's temple and then just not use the actor for lines to make a character. Wolf is the most likely in my opinion, This is why my full support is on my other two mains Lucas and the Eskimos because I worry about them, with Wolf however I know there is a huge thread here an the fact he is trumping K Rool on a Poll for characters he is going to be in at some point I Can Really Feel It:4shulk:(reference to British Wolf)
This is exactly what I've been saying since I spotted Wolf's voice actors in the credits, How would you feel if Mewtwo had a codec in melee and that codec carried over to brawl,but Mewtwo wasn't playable? Riots would've happened. Sakurai can fix the mistake of leaving Wolf out thanks to DLC. Of course waiting for a sign isn't easy. I'd say Wolf is 100% likely for a DLC character.
 

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This is exactly what I've been saying since I spotted Wolf's voice actors in the credits, How would you feel if Mewtwo had a codec in melee and that codec carried over to brawl,but Mewtwo wasn't playable? Riots would've happened. Sakurai can fix the mistake of leaving Wolf out thanks to DLC. Of course waiting for a sign isn't easy. I'd say Wolf is 100% likely for a DLC character.
I personally wouldn't say 100% likely, you forgot to consider Sakurai's unpredictablility, but despite my pessimism towards him, I still think Wolf is a good candidate for DLC, I'm just ready to be disappointed......
 

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See I know it bugs me that Lani Minella the voice of Lucas came back to voice the koppalings but I can understand that because he is still in the clear for DLC, But Wolf coming back just to record lines on his own God Damn Stage, That would be the biggest F you Sakurai could ever pull that's like bringing back Pit just to speak on Palutena's temple and then just not use the actor for lines to make a character. Wolf is the most likely in my opinion, This is why my full support is on my other two mains Lucas and the Eskimos because I worry about them, with Wolf however I know there is a huge thread here an the fact he is trumping K Rool on a Poll for characters he is going to be in at some point I Can Really Feel It:4shulk:(reference to British Wolf)
If I'm not mistaken, Jr./Koopalings have reused clips from past games, similar to Sonic.
Of course, if Lani did the voice for a few of 'em, they'd still have to credit her, even if she didn't do the voices for smash specifically.
 

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Because his cut is unjustified and if :4darkpit::4drmario::4lucina: and:mewtwopm: can get in why can't Wolf. The new Star Fox is a bonus and keeps Star Fox relevant.
what is the connection between wolf and mewtwo?
there isn't, so your sentence could be read as "if Dark Pit, Dr Mario, Lucina and also Link can get in why can't Wolf?"

btw, every cut is unjustified, but unfortunately it isn't an adequate condition to have all past characters in
 

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what is the connection between wolf and mewtwo?
there isn't, so your sentence could be read as "if Dark Pit, Dr Mario, Lucina and also Link can get in why can't Wolf?"

btw, every cut is unjustified, but unfortunately it isn't an adequate condition to have all past characters in
Mewtwo is important because it's a DLC character
 

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what is the connection between wolf and mewtwo?
Mewtwo was cut from Brawl and Wolf doesn't appear in SSB4, so they're both veterans who has been cut in the Smash following the one they were introduced. They are also, along with Pichu, the only cut veterans whose trophies don't look like their last Smash appearance's official artwork.
 
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Mewtwo was cut from Brawl and Wolf doesn't appear in SSB4, so they're both veterans who has been cut in the Smash following the one they were introduced. They are also, along with Pichu, the only cut veterans whose trophies don't look like their last Smash appearance's official artwork.
In the defense of the Ice Climbers and Lucas, they've never had a 3D appearance before Smash Bros, so it'd make sense to just take their Brawl designs for the trophies.
 

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In the defense of the Ice Climbers and Lucas, they've never had a 3D appearance before Smash Bros, so it'd make sense to just take their Brawl designs for the trophies.
They could've used any pose or move from Brawl or Melee (in the Climbers' case), so why their official artwork?
 

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Mewtwo was cut from Brawl and Wolf doesn't appear in SSB4, so they're both veterans who has been cut in the Smash following the one they were introduced. They are also, along with Pichu, the only cut veterans whose trophies don't look like their last Smash appearance's official artwork.
and also Dr Mario, yes. But in that post there was a comparison between dr mario, mewtwo, wolf...and lucina & dark pit, new clones.
I hope it wasn't a debate between clones (we all know wolf is a fox's semiclone and quite differente from the "original" character, and mewtwo is completely different from lucario). I also hope it isn't a topic about priority of a character over another.

If the topic is "mewtwo confirms dlc, so we can hope wolf will be another dlc character", then i'm agree, of course
 

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and also Dr Mario, yes. But in that post there was a comparison between dr mario, mewtwo, wolf...and lucina & dark pit, new clones.
I hope it wasn't a debate between clones (we all know wolf is a fox's semiclone and quite differente from the "original" character, and mewtwo is completely different from lucario). I also hope it isn't a topic about priority of a character over another.

If the topic is "mewtwo confirms dlc, so we can hope wolf will be another dlc character", then i'm agree, of course
I never said Wolf won't be DLC. In fact, I love the idea, but we can't know for sure.

The Grand Master Sakurai is unpredictable. All we can do is to play his waiting game.....
 
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This is exactly what I've been saying since I spotted Wolf's voice actors in the credits, How would you feel if Mewtwo had a codec in melee and that codec carried over to brawl,but Mewtwo wasn't playable? Riots would've happened. Sakurai can fix the mistake of leaving Wolf out thanks to DLC. Of course waiting for a sign isn't easy. I'd say Wolf is 100% likely for a DLC character.
Riots happened without the Codecs :3 We need a Wolf & Lucas DLC Pack :'P
 

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Lucas as new character, Negative Man as alt skin of Lucas, Paula as clone of Ness and Masked Man as BrawLucas :Q__
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more seriously, in your opinion, why Lucas isn't at least an alt skin of Ness? because in general he was a different character in smash bros series and Saku wants to preserve the own identity of all his character, or because he is specifically intended to be a dlc character?
 

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more seriously, in your opinion, why Lucas isn't at least an alt skin of Ness? because in general he was a different character in smash bros series and Saku wants to preserve the own identity of all his character, or because he is specifically intended to be a dlc character?
I could tolerate Lucas if Sakurai actually gives him different specials (Offense Up (with Defense and Life Up as customs) and PK Love are great examples of what I'd like to see), because with the exception of Ness' PK Flash, none of the PKs they use are used by them in their respective games.
 
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