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The Summit = balloon fighter?

C.Olimar788

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Pretty much my thoughts when I saw the fish were that Balloon fighter's almost certainly not in. With Brawl not being rushed, I'd guess that every character franchise will have a stage. With a main element of Balloon Fighter, and a probable part of a Balloon Fighter based stage, making an appearance in the Ice Climbers' stage, it seems unlikely there will be a Balloon Fighter stage, and therefore, it seems to me that Balloon Fighter is unlikely as a playable character. I can see him as an AT, or possibly a cameo on The Summit in the background. Or both.

Eiiither way, that makes two Ice Climber/Balloon Fighter cross references from Sakurai, one in Melee and one (more major one) in Brawl. Nifty. :p

If we DO get Balloon Fighter as an AT, d'you think he'll be under the Ice Climbers symbol?
 

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You go inside plenty of castles with statues in Fire Emblem, and at the end of Kid Icarus, you fly around on the top.
I only remember Dragon statues in Fire Emblem, maybe they have human statues in POR and RD ?? (i haven't played these).

The Kid Icarus stage called Skyworld, which is the third level in the game, what you are referring to is Palutina's palace...which is the fourth (last) level...

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the grim lizard

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Seriously this is really really really dumb. People are quicker to dismiss BF because a fish is on the stage than they were about Tom Nook when he was in the background of a stage. I honestly do not see how people can be so quick to dismiss him. And...unworkable? Weird cuz he managed to get PT to work and others...hmm...
 

bizybozo

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Tryin to keep ma thread in order - here we go.

Ah yes, the one thing I never understood about Balloon Fighter hopefuls was the fact that they thought he'd get over the fact Sakurai said himself that he couldn't make a moveset for them. Anyways, this fish is probably another nail in their coffin. If BF was in, he'd get the fish in his stage, not in a Ice Climbers one. Unless they represent BF with the same icon as ICs, there's no way he's getting in. =/
A) Consider the sharing the stage option.
B) Why would he have the same icon? wtf? Did you even read the thread starting post? (Ness had his own symbol and no stage, FE had their own symbols and no stage)... gtfo my thread, ur opinions suck.

probably not, it is the same situation as the alternate music in IC stage in melee. I doubt they will be playable.
Fire Emblem franchise was represented by alternate music on Hyrule Temple, yet we have marth and roy. . . what's your point?

Hopefully Balloon Fighter isn't a PC, he would be a waste of space like Stan the bugman, make them both ATs.
A) Totally off topic.
B) Whotf is Stan the Bugman? Exactly. Balloon Fight is a classic like joust, ppl know who he is. Don't put them on the same level again.


I agree. I know Balloon Fighter has a good shot of being in this game, but I reaaaally don't want to see him. An assist trophy, yeah. But he's simply one of the most boring character designs I have ever seen in my life. Same can be said for something like Kirby, a pink ball, but he has an amazing videogame series under his belt. You can argue that they re-worked Pit, but honestly I think it would have been way easier to remodel a character like Pit to modern times over Balloon Fighter.



Again, yeah, I think he has a chance. And maybe that fish is a good sign of his appearance in Smash. I personally just don't want to see him. At least not before Cel-Link or Ridley or...well..list goes on.
A) Boring character?
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=3178474#post3178474
B) This is a wishlist thread, and I don't care whether you want him in. You are clearly under the age of 15 and I almost doubt you've eve played BF, because the nostalgic value is to good to be considered boring.

Balloon Fight music was in the background of Icicle Mountain in Melee. And now, that's inspired Sakurai to merge the two even further - more than just music - does this mean BF is playable? No one can say (I repeat, NO ONE can say).

However, I'd like to point out that a BF stage would be boring as all hell. But putting a couple of references to his game, and letting him chill there? Works for me.

No, he doesn't NEED his own stage. No, he doesn't NEED to share the IC symbol in order to be on that stage. You don't make the rules here. Sakurai does.
A) Almost the best post so far, except you think his stage would be boring, which brings me to
B)
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=3178533#post3178533

I would think Balloon Fighter would have a small chance of making t in Brawl full stop, but it's unlinkley that he'll make it as a character.

what I'm wondering, though, is if swimming is availible. looking at the pic, it seems that Dedede is treading water, yet he could be standing on something... strange...
A) This post is grammatically hard to follow, and then totally off topic.
B) Read the E4All impressions thread, you'll find the characters can apparently swim for a little bit, and then they sink.

yea, that could be true!
But i thnik the balloon fighter could make it as char
This post sucks, gtfo of my thread. Go to the BF thread for spamming.

Man i want Balloon fighter so bad!
This post sucks, gtfo of my thread. Go to the BF thread for spamming.

Where did you get you're translation? It would be greatly appreciated.

I'm sure Balloon Fighter will make it in somehow,either as a playable character, AT, trophy, or sticker, but somehow he will be in Brawl
That's practically a given. You're off topic. Go to the BF thread for spamming.

It doesn't say that the Balloon Fighter is unworkable at all on the page.
Do you translate? What did you use, it would be greatly appreciated.

He's swimming alright. It's a new feature, I'm sure. I saw a video of meta knight swimming through the water in Delfino Plaza so, yeah.

As for Balloon Fighter - For his AT he would probably throw darts. Wasn't he able to do that to pop other enemies balloons? Lul, I remember playing the game on Animal Crossing for the GC, but it's kinda cloudy. All in all I don't think BF is gonna make it. He's just too. . . plain. >_>
A) Plain?
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=3178474#post3178474
B) Relate back to the stage question of the topic.

Again, people, Balloon Fighter would not require his own stage in order to be playable. If anything, he'd be able to share the Summit. And NO, in order to do so, he would NOT require to have the IC symbol. If Sakurai wants him to share the stage, then he'll share the **** stage.

Seriously - what would a Balloon Fight stage be? Quite literally nothing. The stages wouldn't allow for much creativity, since there's basically nothing there to work with. So what did Sakurai do? He took the most workable thing from such a stage, and gave it to the Ice Climbers' stage - now, DESPITE the symbols, it can double as both an IC stage AND a BF stage, should he be playable.
Almost the best post, but u said it'd be a boring stage? wtf?
- http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=3178533#post3178533

If you notice the actual stage has little to do with the Ice climbers.
The summit falls down the mountain into the water. NOTHING like that happens in the iceclimber story.
And obviously the stage doesnt just get reset back at the top of the mountain. It Goes somewhere and stays there after the iceburg sinks.

The 2nd half of the stage is the Baloon fighter part.
I like the idea, we need more posts like this.

Pretty much my thoughts when I saw the fish were that Balloon fighter's almost certainly not in. With Brawl not being rushed, I'd guess that every character franchise will have a stage. With a main element of Balloon Fighter, and a probable part of a Balloon Fighter based stage, making an appearance in the Ice Climbers' stage, it seems unlikely there will be a Balloon Fighter stage, and therefore, it seems to me that Balloon Fighter is unlikely as a playable character. I can see him as an AT, or possibly a cameo on The Summit in the background. Or both.

Eiiither way, that makes two Ice Climber/Balloon Fighter cross references from Sakurai, one in Melee and one (more major one) in Brawl. Nifty. :p

If we DO get Balloon Fighter as an AT, d'you think he'll be under the Ice Climbers symbol?
A) Great post, well backed. As a BF enthusiast, it sucks to hear suck good reasoning against him. good ****.
B) Whats with the whole BF getting IC's icon? Are you all on crack? IT MAKES NO SENSE.

Seriously this is really really really dumb. People are quicker to dismiss BF because a fish is on the stage than they were about Tom Nook when he was in the background of a stage. I honestly do not see how people can be so quick to dismiss him. And...unworkable? Weird cuz he managed to get PT to work and others...hmm...
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WindSquirrel

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If anything, the fish basically proves that Balloon Fighter will not have his own stage, which may hurt his chances
 

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The only reason why the Balloon Fighter theme was even featured with the Ice Climbers stage was because Balloon Fighter was a character in the beta version of Melee and they decided to put in the Ice Climbers duo at the last second!

If Balloon Fighter is in the game, he will have his own stage!
 

Chepe

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Balloon Fighter was never in the beta for Melee! People need to get this through their heads. Sakurai himself has spoken in the Japanese Melee site, that Balloon Fighter was among the characters who lost to Ice Climbers for a Melee spot. He goes on to say something along the lines of "when considering a character, it is important for them to be able to do things."

So Balloon Fighter has never had a good chance in the first place! Doesnt Big Blue have an Excitebike or Mach Rider alternate theme? Ive never seen any rumors of characters from those series being in Melee's beta...
 

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Well...that is the monster fish from Balloon Fight (I've played the game, and it looks about the size it should be too). Maybe it means BALLOON FIGHTER WILL BE A PLAYABLE CHARACTER! Still, I'm not getting my hopes up, but he ROCKS! :)

and anyone else think Sakurai is promotion the cause of stopping Global Warming=??? I'm telling you, Sakurai is teaming up with Al Gore to take over our minds via mindgames!

:laugh:
 

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The only reason why the Balloon Fighter theme was even featured with the Ice Climbers stage was because Balloon Fighter was a character in the beta version of Melee and they decided to put in the Ice Climbers duo at the last second!

If Balloon Fighter is in the game, he will have his own stage!

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Chepe if you can confirm your source, then this thread is done.
Allow me
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n01/n64/software/nus_p_nalj/smash/flash/1009/index.html

Translated to the best of my abilities

"It will often be heard 'Why were Ice Climber's chosen?'"

First, an original character will be put in to represent the Famicom. When deciding, we used the process of elimination.

Balloon Fight...the balloons popping would make him useless, so it won't work
Urban Champion...has few moves, so it won't work
Clu Clu Land...I don't know if it's possible to fight and such
Excite Bike...can't jump if attached to the bike, so it won't work"

There you go
 

bizybozo

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hmm. well that was seven years ago.... but i'm guessing sakurai's thinking hasn't changed. Now if anyone can disprove the balloon fighter as a PC in Melee Beta, then there's really no hope. Someone find that info, and then this thread, and BF's chances as a PC, are done for good.
 

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Several people have already mentioned it, but the Balloon Fighter's fish appearing in an Ice Climber stage basically DEproves him. I could definitely see him making an AT appearance, but his fish in a different NES character's level is basically saying "Look, here's a reference to Balloon Fighter! But he doesn't have his own stage."
 

dr_awesome

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hmm. well that was seven years ago.... but i'm guessing sakurai's thinking hasn't changed. Now if anyone can disprove the balloon fighter as a PC in Melee Beta, then there's really no hope. Someone find that info, and then this thread, and BF's chances as a PC, are done for good.
wow thats quite a bold statement. I strongly strongly disagree
 

bizybozo

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bold? how so?
why do you disagree? can u support ur opinion?
why are u dropping aggravating one liners? - why are you spamming my thread?
 

dr_awesome

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bold? how so?
why do you disagree? can u support ur opinion?
why are u dropping aggravating one liners? - why are you spamming my thread?
ok, slow down... I can tackle questions one and two in one go. The only opinion I'm throwing out there is that Balloon Fighter's chances as a PC are not nil. I think just the fact that he hasn't been deconfirmed leaves a percentage of possibility no matter how small. I'm not arguing his probability, just his possibility. As for aggravating one liners, I can't speak upon someone else's reaction. And as for spamming, I suppose I was under the impression that this was a debatable topic. my bad.
 

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http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n01/n64/software/nus_p_nalj/smash/flash/1009/index.html

Translated to the best of my abilities

"It will often be heard 'Why were Ice Climber's chosen?'"

First, an original character will be put in to represent the Famicom. When deciding, we used the process of elimination.

Balloon Fight...the balloons popping would make him useless, so it won't work
Urban Champion...has few moves, so it won't work
Clu Clu Land...I don't know if it's possible to fight and such
Excite Bike...can't jump if attached to the bike, so it won't work"

There you go
I find it funy that... :

a.) He said popping the balloon would make him useless. LOL Killing Nana makes IC useless..
b.)Urban champon has few moves? The only things that IC got from their game is their Fsmash, jump sound effects and jump animation.

But yeah, I think your translation is about right.

Overall, don't really care whether BF is in brawl or not. I'll definitely give him a shot if he is though.
 

Shadowbolt

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Several people have already mentioned it, but the Balloon Fighter's fish appearing in an Ice Climber stage basically DEproves him. I could definitely see him making an AT appearance, but his fish in a different NES character's level is basically saying "Look, here's a reference to Balloon Fighter! But he doesn't have his own stage."
NOT EVERY CHARACTER NEEDS TO HAVE THEIR OWN STAGE!

For crying out loud, people, this shouldn't be hard to understand. No, the fish doesn't suggest he's in, but it sure as HELL doesn't suggest he isn't either.

Balloon Fighter could JUST as easily be sharing the stage with Ice Climbers. Yeah, their symbol is on the stage - SO? They can't share it anyway? What if Sakurai couldn't come up with any ideas for a BF stage? What if he could, but didn't have enough time for it, so he figured the two can share?

That's all there is to it. If he's in, they can share the stage. Period.
 
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