The Solid Snake for Smash DLC thread! Such a lust for Smash news....WHOOOOOOOO?

[JamesDNaux]

Snake is one of the only Amiibo that I would go out of my way to run and buy.

That fake Snake Amiibo... if only.

 

[magiciandude]

What will you're guys reaction b if Snake is confirmed as DLC within the next couple of months?

"Well that happened". Then I will man up and admit I was wrong like I said in one of my posts.

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Now for the bad news. As of late, I'm starting to want a Castlevania rep over Snake. That's me personally though and I respect your guys opinion of Snake coming back. It's been nice talking to you all, but I don't want to cause anymore trouble so....
*gets on the Hind D*

Peace!

*flies away*

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I got e-shop money.

Gonna get MGS3D.

 

[cmbsfm]

There's a new interview from sakurai out, he talks about guest characters and DLC.
Hasn't been fully translated yet, though. I wonder if he says anything about snake. I personally hope he didn't after seeing what happened to ridley, but I'm curious to know the reason why he isn't in.

 

[JamesDNaux]

He talks about how they planned some characters, but ultimately couldn't finish them. Bowser Jr. apparently almost didn't make it, and we know what happened to the Ice Climbers...


But if Mewtwo is any indication, the unfinished characters are prime for DLC inclusion... Let's just hope one of them is Snake.

 

[cmbsfm]

A chart on who's more well known, looks like snake is pretty high up, higher than megaman even.

Not as iconic as the other 3 = DEBUNKED

 

[Ekans647]

A chart on who's more well known, looks like snake is pretty high up, higher than megaman even.

Not as iconic as the other 3 = DEBUNKED

That's awesome. Honestly, Our chances have never looked better.

 

[TechPowah]

As much as I understand how Snake got cut, and how little of a Metal Gear fan I am <I thought the series started with Solid 1 on PS1, even>, it is a shame that a character with an original moveset got cut. I'm totally all for Snake coming back, codecs or no.

That said, if we're still talking about other Konami series to add if Metal Gear is unobtainable, RakugaKids is the perfect series to pull a character from, being both another fighting game and for being kid-friendly. I would pick Robot CHO for more large heavy-hitter characters, but other people might mistake him for a ROB clone. Beyond that, Astronots would probably be the safest bet for being the "lead" character.

 

[LIQUID12A]

That's awesome. Honestly, Our chances have never looked better.

Snake makes top 15 while Mega Man doesn't.
The irony.

 

[Xevious 1]

Another interview and we still don't have a clear explanation on why Snake, Wolf, or Lucas was cut. :l

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Another interview and we still don't have a clear explanation on why Snake, Wolf, or Lucas was cut. :l

Wolf and Lucas can be chalked up to priority.

Snake is an enigma.

 

[LIQUID12A]

Another interview and we still don't have a clear explanation on why Snake, Wolf, or Lucas was cut. :l

I'm honestly afraid to know after his comments on Ridley.

 

[Ekans647]

Why was Ridley not in ssb4 anyway?

 

[Megadoomer]

http://ca.ign.com/articles/2014/11/19/why-ridley-isnt-playable-in-smash-bros

Basically, a lot of reasons which are contradicted by the inclusion of other characters.

-unable to fly around freely - Kirby, Meta Knight, Charizard
-wanting to provide accurate portrayals - Ness (moves taken from other characters), Ganondorf (plays nothing like his fights in the Zelda games), Captain Falcon, ROB (both completely made up for Smash)
-can't be scaled down - countless characters, particularly Mewtwo (should be 5x the height of Pikachu), Ganondorf (should be 2x the size of Link), Palutena (should be 2x the size of Pit instead of smaller than him), Ivysaur (should be about twice the height of Squirtle); this example from the game itself shows that he can be scaled down and still work

 

[cmbsfm]

I'm gonna get Metal Gear Rising tomorrow, can't wait!

Happy New Year Fox-Hounders!!

 

[Golden Sun]

If Snake came in SSB4, this pose would've been perfect as a amiibo:

Pro:No giant pole sticking in his ass so people wont say that its messed up and rigged, no gun so the younger audience of Nintendo fans wont whine about it, and that's perfect for Nintendo
Con:Not a cool pose at all(it actually is imo, but its not like a "badass you got rekt" pose

 

[Nonno Umby]

Why was Ridley not in ssb4 anyway?

Because Sakurai can't see him working. And said from who made Wii Fit Trainer, Duck Hunt, Villager and Mr Game and Watch playable, it means something.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/11/19/why-ridley-isnt-playable-in-smash-bros
And I'm gonna be honest, I completely agree with him.

BTW Despite someone, I really want to know why Snake isn't in Smash 4. I would prefer to know the real truth insted of remain in a limbo of theories ( like when Mewtwo was exlused from Brawl). It can't be something stupid like "he doesn't belong" or "he doesn't fit" because he was already a playable character. Maybe it's just "he was low priority due to no MGS V on Wii U, and finally cut", but I want to know.

If Snake came in SSB4, this pose would've been perfect as a amiibo:

Pro:No giant pole sticking in his *** so people wont say that its messed up and rigged, no gun so the younger audience of Nintendo fans wont whine about it, and that's perfect for Nintendo
Con:Not a cool pose at all(it actually is imo, but its not like a "badass you got rekt" pose

Yeah, that's a good one. But I would prefer a more up-right pose (just for put him next to Lucina, Dr. Mario and Mewtwo, my other mains with an up-right pose), like this

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Or even his first Brawl Artwork

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[Nonno Umby]

Sorry, double posting. My bad...
Please understand

 

[KCJ506]

I'm starting to think that Snake was a one time thing. The only reason he was in Brawl was as a favor to Kojima. Apparently he begged Sakurai to put him in Melee, but by then Melee was too far into development. So Snake was put in Brawl. Kojima got his wish so I doubt he'd be begging Sakurai about it again.

 

[Pallex]

A chart on who's more well known, looks like snake is pretty high up, higher than megaman even.

Not as iconic as the other 3 = DEBUNKED

Where did you get this from? I looked up Akinator and all I got was a Guess Who? Web Genie game.

I'm starting to think that Snake was a one time thing. The only reason he was in Brawl was as a favor to Kojima. Apparently he begged Sakurai to put him in Melee, but by then Melee was too far into development. So Snake was put in Brawl. Kojima got his wish so I doubt he'd be begging Sakurai about it again.

I think Dr. Mario and Mewtwo are a "one time thing" as well. I wonder who are the characters Sakurai intended to be included in Super Smash Bros for Wii U/3DS as he didn't even give us a number of them. I sure wish people would admit they are on the development team so they can tell us everything they know from working with Sakurai instead of basing their knowledge and speculation on nothing but their own opinions and hopes.

 

[KCJ506]

I think Dr. Mario and Mewtwo are a "one time thing" as well. I wonder who are the characters Sakurai intended to be included in Super Smash Bros for Wii U/3DS as he didn't even give us a number of them. I sure wish people would admit they are on the development team so they can tell us everything they know from working with Sakurai instead of basing their knowledge and speculation on nothing but their own opinions and hopes.

Well somebody got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning.

First off Dr Mario and Mewtwo aren't third party characters. And I never said nor even implied that I hoped Snake won't return. I would have liked for him to returned as I used him a lot in Brawl. But it's like I said, he was in Brawl only because Kojima literally begged Sakurai to put him in the game. Not because Sakurai thought he'd fit in or anything like that. Sakurai also mentioned that third party characters had to be heavily requested too, hence why Mega Man and Sonic were immediately confirmed.

There's also the fact that while Smash 3DS/U is rated E, Brawl was rated T. From what I've been reading on various message boards, Snake was at least one of the reasons that the last game was given the rating it has. Keep in mind that although they toned down the actual Snake for Smash, his games are rated M, so a toned down Snake still isn't exactly E. One of the draws of the Smash is seeing these characters and then seeking out their respective games. Snake is the only character from an IP that's appeared in this series and that isn't suited for all audiences.

 

[Nonno Umby]

Well somebody got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning.

First off Dr Mario and Mewtwo aren't third party characters. And I never said nor even implied that I hoped Snake won't return. I would have liked for him to returned as I used him a lot in Brawl. But it's like I said, he was in Brawl only because Kojima literally begged Sakurai to put him in the game. Not because Sakurai thought he'd fit in or anything like that. Sakurai also mentioned that third party characters had to be heavily requested too, hence why Mega Man and Sonic were immediately confirmed.

There's also the fact that while Smash 3DS/U is rated E, Brawl was rated T. From what I've been reading on various message boards, Snake was at least one of the reasons that the last game was given the rating it has. Keep in mind that although they toned down the actual Snake for Smash, his games are rated M, so a toned down Snake still isn't exactly E. One of the draws of the Smash is seeing these characters and then seeking out their respective games. Snake is the only character from an IP that's appeared in this series and that isn't suited for all audiences.

Being 1st party doesn't mean that you can't be "one time only". Roy, Pichu and Young Link have been excluded for the 2nd time. So, technically, they were "one time thing" even if they are 1st party. Being a 3rd party isn't a problem for return (just look at Sonic).
And Snake wasn't put in Brawl just because Kojima asked it. Remeber that Miyamoto himself asked to Sakurai to add Pac-Man in Brawl, but he haven't. Sakurai was totally available to refuse Kojima request, but he didn't because he saw big potential in Snake. Also, Pac-Man wasn't heavely requested around the fanbase, yet he is in.
Anyway, the provenience series doesn't mean anyting for the rating. In the Wii U version we have a trophy from Project Zero, a M title.

 

[Megadoomer]

There's also the fact that while Smash 3DS/U is rated E, Brawl was rated T. From what I've been reading on various message boards, Snake was at least one of the reasons that the last game was given the rating it has. Keep in mind that although they toned down the actual Snake for Smash, his games are rated M, so a toned down Snake still isn't exactly E. One of the draws of the Smash is seeing these characters and then seeking out their respective games. Snake is the only character from an IP that's appeared in this series and that isn't suited for all audiences.

This part doesn't seem to be even remotely accurate. Brawl was rated T for crude humour and cartoon violence, and neither of those specifically apply to Snake's appearance in the game.

 

[KCJ506]

Being 1st party doesn't mean that you can't be "one time only". Roy, Pichu and Young Link have been excluded for the 2nd time. So, technically, they were "one time thing" even if they are 1st party. Being a 3rd party isn't a problem for return (just look at Sonic).

Not sure if you understood my point there. He was comparing the "one time" thing to Dr Mario and Mewtwo being brought back. I was pointing out that by them being first party, then wouldn't have any licensing issues like Snake would. Roy, Pichu and YL most likely weren't high priority. Especially not YL as we already have two Links.

And not only does Sonic have more history with Nintendo as well as Mario, he was more wanted compared to Snake. Mostly kids who wanted him tbh. Then there are all the raging MiiVerse kids who begged for other Sonic characters and promised that they would buy the game if they were included.

And Snake wasn't put in Brawl just because Kojima asked it.

Well Kojima's son wanted Snake in Brawl, which led to him begging Sakurai to put him in.

Remeber that Miyamoto himself asked to Sakurai to add Pac-Man in Brawl, but he haven't. Sakurai was totally available to refuse Kojima request, but he didn't because he saw big potential in Snake. Also, Pac-Man wasn't heavely requested around the fanbase, yet he is in.

I knew someone was gonna bring up Pac-man.

At the time Brawl was in development, Sakurai didn't see much potential in Pac-man.(he also initially said the same about Villager). And not only is Pac-man more iconic than Snake(I mean like Mario, people whom don't even play video games would recognize him), but he's appeared in games with Mario in the past. Plus Namco was helping with Smash 4, so it was pretty likely that they would get a rep this time.

Plus Pac-man is Miyamoto's favorite character and was his inspiration. So if it weren't for Pac-man we most likely wouldn't have Mario and thus most likely wouldn't have Smash.

 

[Selenite]

First off Dr Mario and Mewtwo aren't third party characters. And I never said nor even implied that I hoped Snake won't return. I would have liked for him to returned as I used him a lot in Brawl. But it's like I said, he was in Brawl only because Kojima literally begged Sakurai to put him in the game. Not because Sakurai thought he'd fit in or anything like that. Sakurai also mentioned that third party characters had to be heavily requested too, hence why Mega Man and Sonic were immediately confirmed.

There's also the fact that while Smash 3DS/U is rated E, Brawl was rated T. From what I've been reading on various message boards, Snake was at least one of the reasons that the last game was given the rating it has. Keep in mind that although they toned down the actual Snake for Smash, his games are rated M, so a toned down Snake still isn't exactly E. One of the draws of the Smash is seeing these characters and then seeking out their respective games. Snake is the only character from an IP that's appeared in this series and that isn't suited for all audiences.

I just want to point something out:

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The trophies that you see above comes from M-rated Video Games (Cero D, the Japanese equivalent for Zangeki no Reginleiv) and yet Super Smash Bros for Wii U and 3DS is rated E 10 and Up so simple references and showing a trophy for them doesn't really affect the age rating of the Super Smash Bros game.

Metal Gear Ghost Babel is rated E, Metal Gear Solid Portable Ops and Metal Gear Solid Peace Walker are both rated T like every other game series but that is irrelevant as age rating is about Super Smash Bros NOT another character's game series. Super Smash Bros Melee was rated T due to the realistic graphics when compared to Super Smash Bros (game).

Not sure if you understood my point there. He was comparing the "one time" thing to Dr Mario and Mewtwo being brought back. I was pointing out that by them being first party, then wouldn't have any licensing issues like Snake would. Roy, Pichu and YL most likely weren't high priority. Especially not YL as we already have two Links. And not only does Sonic have more history with Nintendo as well as Mario, he was more wanted compared to Snake. Mostly kids who wanted him tbh. Then there are all the raging MiiVerse kids who begged for other Sonic characters and promised that they would buy the game if they were included.

Has Sakurai revealed the characters that were intended for Super Smash Bros for Wii U/3DS? He should so people would stop this pointless bickering and speculation about who is prioritize and who isn't. Sonic will only have "have more history with Nintendo" IF Nintendo has continuously published Sonic the Hedgehog games in my eyes. Being a Third-Party Company must be tough because no matter what games they make the platform owner gets all the credit. People are not able to recognize the world of developers and publishers. Only platforms. Only if those companies make their own platforms like Sega did then people would recognize them as their own entity, history, library of IPs, etc.

Nintendo went through the "legal hoops" to add Rayman into the game so a lot of people are lining up to see him as a...trophy?
Didn't Sakurai set a criteria for Third-Party characters prior to Snake's reveal?
Snake doesn't meet the criteria that has set?
My recollection of Sakurai had 4 criteria at GDC 08 that all characters must observe in order to be considered for being added:

1. The character's inclusion must make people want to play the game.

This is infinitely harder than you and I think, because we are so jaded by our own perspective. I would insist that Viewtiful Joe would be the best character ever, but I'm not sure people would really want the game more. Neither of us would have ever thought of ROB, and yet "ROBOT" was the CROWD FAVORITE by FAR in the GDC matches the CAs had. Everyone loved him! We as gamers are way too biased to make this decision easily.

2. The character must be unique.

The character must have identifying features and abilities that would make them different from existing characters, so that they add something to the game.

3. The character must fit into the style of Super Smash Bros.

The character obviously has to be able to fit into the framework of how smash works, obviously L Block would not work. (My example, not his.)

4. They must contribute to the game balance.

Everyone has to fit together. Every new character must counter some characters and be countered by others, and they must fit in one giant contiguous mesh.

No, in the end it depends on whether or not Kojima and/or Sakurai want him to return. Nintendo was already somewhat against it last time (because Snake "felt like a Sony character"), but because Sakurai was the director of the game he was able to make it happen.

Here's a quote from Kojima: http://nintendoeverything.com/kojima-discusses-how-snake-made-it-into-super-smash-bros-brawl/

Disclaimer: While I am Biased for Snake to return, my only goal in this essay is to try and shead some light on the facts and help develop peoples arguments.

Snake's return in Smash is one of the most debated topics about the game. As with any debate, there are two sides to this argument.

Pro Snake Side:
-Snake is a unique character
-Snake is popular among smashers
-Snake is a Smash Icon
-Snake will return unless Sakurai and/or Kojima says so

Anti Snake Side:
-Snake isn't a Nintendo Character
-Snake is out of place
-Snake advertises for the competition

From what I've read, the anti side seems to making a more logical argument. However, one thing I think they have failed to noticed is that their argument could be the very reason why snake returns.

SSBB was released before the release of MGS4, so the MGS franchise within Smash contained multiple element from all of their games, but most predominantly the yet-to-be released MGS4 (ex. Gekko appearing on Shadow Moses). So nevertheless Konami was advertising through Smash, and Snake became a popular character, not just because of his competitive viability, but because of his unique and entertaining play style. As gamers like myself played the character, they got attached to him and wanted to know more about him. They would look him up, and learn not just about Snake, but the whole MGS Franchise. And MGS is one of the best series of games I have ever played. It one of those games were once you pick it up, you can't put it back down.

However the opposite is also true. Snake also appeals to gamers who already like MGS beforehand, and they might start taking an interest in Smash, and may lead them to get addicted to all the other games franchises within, such as the Legend of Zelda or Metroid. This in turn generates profit for Nintendo.

So now we have a a group of gamers who not only love Smash, but also MGS. An as Eddybear asked earlier in this thread (Page 4, post #136) "If Snake wasn't included, would it be a dealbreaker for buying SSB4 for you?" These Smash/MGS fans now have to ask themselves, "Do I want to buy this $60 Smash game when I can just download Project M?" and potentially a $300 Wii U? (Let's face it, the Wii U isn't doing so hot right now).

So Nintendo now has to choices
1.) Advertise Snake and MGS and appeal to a good chunk of gamers who might not otherwise take interest in their games, but risk upping sales of their competition.
2.) Cut Snake and MGS and lose appeal to a chunk of gamers, but prevent advertising for our competition.

Snake's fate in SSB4 depends on a multitude of factors, such as what Nintendo sees on the most profitable decision and if there's enough push from the fans, but in the end, it is Sakurai's decision.

 

[Xevious 1]

I hate the one time character thing. I have no clue what made Snake a one time character compared to other characters.

 

[cmbsfm]

I'm starting to think that Snake was a one time thing. The only reason he was in Brawl was as a favor to Kojima. Apparently he begged Sakurai to put him in Melee, but by then Melee was too far into development. So Snake was put in Brawl. Kojima got his wish so I doubt he'd be begging Sakurai about it again.

I really hate when people say this, please read this:
http://nsider2.com/forums/index.php/topic/61054-ugh-kojima-didnt-beg-sakurai/

Well somebody got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning.

Pallex didn't even sound cranky in that post, what are you talking about?

First off Dr Mario and Mewtwo aren't third party characters. And I never said nor even implied that I hoped Snake won't return. I would have liked for him to returned as I used him a lot in Brawl. But it's like I said, he was in Brawl only because Kojima literally begged Sakurai to put him in the game. Not because Sakurai thought he'd fit in or anything like that. Sakurai also mentioned that third party characters had to be heavily requested too, hence why Mega Man and Sonic were immediately confirmed.

Actually, sonic was requested by his creator too, but when sakurai went to get rights for sonic, he no longer worked there. The demand helped motivate him to go back and ask again and again until sega agreed, and sega at the time was very reluctant to letting sonic make it in. In the process we lost Mewtwo and Dr.Mario, though.

There's also the fact that while Smash 3DS/U is rated E, Brawl was rated T. From what I've been reading on various message boards, Snake was at least one of the reasons that the last game was given the rating it has. Keep in mind that although they toned down the actual Snake for Smash, his games are rated M, so a toned down Snake still isn't exactly E. One of the draws of the Smash is seeing these characters and then seeking out their respective games. Snake is the only character from an IP that's appeared in this series and that isn't suited for all audiences.

Please refer to @ Megadoomer & @ Selenite 's posts.

Also to add on to their points, DLC isn't rated by the esrb either, so snake being Downloadable content wouldn't magically raise up the ESRB rating.

And not only does Sonic have more history with Nintendo as well as Mario, he was more wanted compared to Snake. Mostly kids who wanted him tbh. Then there are all the raging MiiVerse kids who begged for other Sonic characters and promised that they would buy the game if they were included.

This part:
"And not only does Sonic have more history with Nintendo as well as Mario"
I don't understand, are you saying he has much as history as Mario with Nintendo? That's not even true.
It is true sonic is close to nintendo, but you have to keep in mind what sakurai said when it comes to 3rd party characters, he doesn't consider them nintendo characters. This is the truth, sonic,pacman,and megaman aren't Nintendo characters.

Well Kojima's son wanted Snake in Brawl, which led to him begging Sakurai to put him in.

http://nsider2.com/forums/index.php/topic/61054-ugh-kojima-didnt-beg-sakurai/

I knew someone was gonna bring up Pac-man.

At the time Brawl was in development, Sakurai didn't see much potential in Pac-man.(he also initially said the same about Villager). And not only is Pac-man more iconic than Snake(I mean like Mario, people whom don't even play video games would recognize him), but he's appeared in games with Mario in the past. Plus Namco was helping with Smash 4, so it was pretty likely that they would get a rep this time.

Plus Pac-man is Miyamoto's favorite character and was his inspiration. So if it weren't for Pac-man we most likely wouldn't have Mario and thus most likely wouldn't have Smash.

If you looked at the data I linked above, you'll see the MORE people know snake that Megaman, who's in the game. Granted, it doesn't represent everyone in the world, but it's a sample of what everyone else. If you think snake isn't iconic, you're kidding yourself. He may not be as iconic as pacman or sonic, but he is still pretty iconic.

 

[Golden Sun]

Actually, sonic was requested by his creator too, but when sakurai went to get rights for sonic, he no longer worked there. The demand helped motivate him to go back and ask again and again until sega agreed, and sega at the time was very reluctant to letting sonic make it in. In the process we lost Mewtwo and Dr.Mario, though.
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Im not sure, why doesn't Sega let Sonic go in SSB4? think of the things that would happen, it could advertise them, not to mention it would get people more interested in Sonic and probably get his games meaning more $$$, who cares about copyright? its not like random people are going to say Sonic is from Nintendo(some kids do think that) but the games are coming from Sega.

 

[cmbsfm]

Im not sure, why doesn't Sega let Sonic go in SSB4? think of the things that would happen, it could advertise them, not to mention it would get people more interested in Sonic and probably get his games meaning more $$$, who cares about copyright? its not like random people are going to say Sonic is from Nintendo(some kids do think that) but the games are coming from Sega.

Well, idk, but at least he got in brawl.

 

[SpectreJordan]

Wolf and Lucas can be chalked up to priority.

Snake is an enigma.

I think Wolf is just about confirmed to be DLC since it'd tie in with the release of the upcoming Star Fox game. I'm not too sure about Lucas though.

I'm starting to think that Snake was a one time thing. The only reason he was in Brawl was as a favor to Kojima. Apparently he begged Sakurai to put him in Melee, but by then Melee was too far into development. So Snake was put in Brawl. Kojima got his wish so I doubt he'd be begging Sakurai about it again.

Kojima got asked about Snake a couple months & he asked Sakurai to put Snake back in.

 

[Twin Shot]

Metal Gear and Nintendo History:

Let us not forget that Nintendo is important to the Metal Gear series, as well.

Metal Gear on NES essentially allowed for Metal Gear 2 to be created on the MSX and continue the series. Very possible that without the Nintendo version of the game, Metal Gear wouldn't exist as the game would have failed to garner much of a following.


Reason for not being in 3DS/WiiU:

I honestly think the reason Snake didn't make it in was because of legal setbacks - Maybe they couldn't get the permission needed from Konami/Kojima in time to reinclude him initially, but if they did get it later than expected there is nothing really holding Snake back in so far as being a DLC character. This way they could include Snake without having to take away resources in the initial production of the game (think Sonic effect in SSBB - we could have potentially lost a few characters), and have Snake make his appearance closer to the release of MGS5. He already has a moveset and work done on his accord, so developing this character later on wouldn't be as much work then it would with an entirely new character.

All of which, make him a relatively applicable option for DLC.

 

[JamesDNaux]

I'm completely confident that we'll get some sort of Metal Gear outing on the Wii U.

Even without the leaked Metal Gear Miiverse bit from ages ago, Kojima himself said that the reason he doesn't want to simply port Phantom Pain over is because he wants to do something completely unique with the Gamepad.

It's terrible that people just single out Konami as a whole as not making games for the Wii U, almost solely to spite Snake. Where are all of the Capcom or Namco games on the Wii U? And Sega? Sonic is only exclusive at the moment because of a legally binding contract, now that they've released their three games, you can bet that the next Sonic will be multiplatform.

Then there are people that try to say that Snake isn't as iconic as the other three, and while this may be true of Pac-Man and Sonic, Snake is far more iconic than Mega Man. He's older than Mega Man too. Literally the only thing Mega Man has over Snake is a long running bout of exclusivity to the NES, but Mega Man eventually went multiplatform as well.

But again, Sakurai's criteria said "at least one game," so it clearly doesn't matter if they have more games on other consoles.

 

[CaptainCrisb]

I demand that if Snake does come back, this thread's name be changed to "You kept waiting huh?"

 

[cmbsfm]

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I tried to download MGS 3D.

I don't have enough space.

T.T

 

[Nonno Umby]

I tried to download MGS 3D.

I don't have enough space.

T.T

Yeah. It is a big download. The European version occupies more than 20.000 blocks! Probably because of all the languages inside...

 

[LIQUID12A]

I tried to download MGS 3D.

I don't have enough space.

T.T

It's probably one of the bigger games in the 3DS library. At least if I wanted it. I have an 8GB SD card with 42k blocks free.

 

[El Raspa]

Reason for not being in 3DS/WiiU:

I honestly think the reason Snake didn't make it in was because of legal setbacks - Maybe they couldn't get the permission needed from Konami/Kojima in time to reinclude him initially, but if they did get it later than expected there is nothing really holding Snake back in so far as being a DLC character. This way they could include Snake without having to take away resources in the initial production of the game (think Sonic effect in SSBB - we could have potentially lost a few characters), and have Snake make his appearance closer to the release of MGS5. He already has a moveset and work done on his accord, so developing this character later on wouldn't be as much work then it would with an entirely new character.

I think the main reason is that Raiden, a Metal Gear representative, was in the sony all star battle royale game and Nintendo make a big tantrum

 

[LIQUID12A]

I think the main reason is that Raiden, a Metal Gear representative, was in the sony all star battle royale game and Nintendo make a big tantrum

This is a fairly ridiculous reason. Nintendo wouldn't make a "tantrum" because PSASBR paralleled Brawl in a Metal Gear rep(which it would have done anyway if Brawl didn't exist). And PSASBR doesn't reference Snake at all unless there's a title I never unlocked.

 

[cmbsfm]

I think the main reason is that Raiden, a Metal Gear representative, was in the sony all star battle royale game and Nintendo make a big tantrum

Why should Nintendo care if they got Snake,the main protagonist of the metal gear series, while all PS allstars only got Raiden, who isn't the main character?
I feel like Nintendo should be happy about that, because snake stayed exclusive to their fighting game.