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: Dark Horse, Яagnarock: Vinyl, Ranmaru
I mentioned badwolf, though I also mentioned that their interactions early D1 don't make sense as scum
Not only what I previously said (He seems to be really looking for scum; I have no idea why you think that is "weak town reasoning"), there's also the fact that he's willing to look down different avenues (Like 675, where he shows that he's willing to consider different pinions than his own).
Yet, he did answer the question. I see an explanation for his vote as well. So, is it merely an omgus to omgus, or is it a vote with the reasoning that he found your vote odd due to a contradiction (from his pov)?
That's not the reasoning. He explicitly stated that it was because I was asking him questions. That's not a contradiction at all.
Also, it can't be an omgus to an omgus, as that would imply that I attacked vinyl because vinyl attack me, and vinyl then attacked me because I attcked him.
DH votes Bad and Vinyl, which isn't helpful in finding out if he RVS'd a buddy or not. I find votes like these scummy because it hides your intentions on voting, same thing as using random.org to RVS.
Pressure vote.
Here he shows support for my Macman push, even though he doesn't really give a reason here. This is important.
Here he quotes Macman (Click the link above for context) and votes him. He doesn't give the original reasoning for why he was supporting my push on him, and this felt more like he was hopping on with whatever reason he could justify to get on.
Here it shows DH trying to angle what Macman said into a scumtell. Post #171
I don't like the underlined because he tries to justify his actions in a different game with the person who he says is scum, when people can act differently in situations. DH says he pressured Vinyl with a dead serious vote, yet didn't get anything with it. (I don't think he explains anything about the reaction he got)
I see this as DH trying to push you off the smallest thing possible that he could. He realized that he couldn't push you anymore, so he used the underlined to justify him moving his vote and I don't find it genuine.
You could tell DH and Ori weren't aligned because he was totally cool with throwing his vote his way. He didn't really oppose to it much, or need that much convincing to vote him. Feels a bit scummy.I'm down.
Unvote, Vote: Ori
Consider my vote on badwolf in spirit
As for who I think is scummier, I'm honestly not sure. I'd be fine with lynching either of them today.
At this time I didn't understand why he did this, and I always think "Why did he do this?" and then I remember, that I covered that option.
(I asked him why in the next quote)So here, he explains he voted Badwolf because he was ready for a lynch. This is scummy because it shows he was ready to lynch ANYONE, not just who he felt was scum. Come on now.
I feel this is pot calls the kettle black when it comes to his reasoning on Vinyl, because this comes off as smugness and trying to pass off being called scum. Basically I feel DH is being a hypocrite here and is trying to use any reasoning he can to lynch Vinyl.
And like I said, I don't find his push genuine and is trying to push whatever he can. I had a hard time trying to explain why I find DH very scummy, so I just quoted most of his votes from the entire game. It shows he really isn't looking for scum or showing much 'logic and reason' as to why one may be scum. Just bull****. Don't you guys see it? Don't be distracted by the little dumb things Vinyl has done. It isn't as malicious and scum intented as DH's actions.
Macman. Re-read this quote. I feel this is the direction you should be heading, instead of losing focus and going other routes. I can understand why you may want to go Bad after DH, but don't forget that you know that DH has been more opportunistic than Vinyl has.
This is right. I still think you should go back to DH man. You said you need to re-read, but there is no need. I did all the reading that needed to be done, right here in this post.
Bold, I don't see how their interactions can give you independent reads on each one. I mean, I would think you would want to see one flip to better solidify your read on the other, yet it feels more like you are trying to give a better read on DH due to Vinyl doing something dumb. Yet:
...no, it doesn't. I still picked my RVS votes, much the same way anyone else does. I just voted an extra person. If you could figure out a connection between two scumbudds off of rvs votes, like you're implying, then it shouldn't be that hard to find the same thing out of the two people that I'm voting.
I felt as if though basic reading comprehension could be used to find out that I'm saying that "I dislike how macman is still joking around while there has been some content."
Except I later explained it in my 149. That's far from "just jumping." What did you think of macman's post at that time?
Except for the fact that noobscum can act like noobscum. Hence why I figured it was worth a pressure vote.
You're trying to dismis my arguments as "The smallest things," when they really weren't.
Well there's the fact that I HAD THOUGHT THAT THERE WAS A BADWOLF/ORI SCUMTEAM. THAT'S NOT "ANYONE."
How does macman saying that I am scum and me responding with an eyeroll show that I am a hypocrite and am trying to use anything I can to lynch vinyl? This point doesn't even make sense.
His push on macman was based on the posts where macman was being lazy and what were apparently post misreads. Pushing someone for being lazy is fine and post misreads could be truth or lying and I highly doubt DH would lie about something like post misreads. DH's agreement of Macman's DH/Ori post IS interesting, but if you think about it, if DH is scum and thought that Ori would get lynched over him (which is pretty safe, Ori was inactive + scummy), ofc he'd agree with the Ori/DH link to get some towncred when Ori flipped notmafia. Alternatively, if DH is town, he would agree with the post even though he incriminates him because it's the right thing for a townie to do.
I don't see how this couldn't be somebody re-evaluating their reads(which is how I read it at the time). If you read that post without any opinion of someone's alignment, would you still find it the person's motives questionable? (inb4 that's not how you should play mafia. Maybe I'm asking to make a point about something other than DH's alignment)
Hey summoner, what game are you talking about here? GS3?
Seriously, I hate second guessing. The thing you should notice, is that this is, and that was, me re-visiting a scumread, so yes, I do read with the perspective of them being scum, because I have already noticed them being scummy on the first read through. Do I re-consider my reads? Hell yeah. Did you see me back off of Macman early D1? Now remember D1 of GS3? I did the same thing with Rake, but I re-visited him because I re-read the thread, and viola, he flipped scum. )
I don't think so.
Not at all. To me it seemed like you thought his actions were warranted, instead of you disliking it. Your 'come to think of it' seems like something else made you 'reconsider' and that is why I don't feel what you say is the case. Get me?
Let's look at your 149:
Here in the underlined, it shows DH trying to angle what Macman said into a scumtell.
Here you pick out the ONLY thing you could consider scummy from Mac's read list. This is what seemed scummy to me from you.
You ask again because of course, it's important to you, and you are trying to seem 'consistent'.
You call it wishy washyness.
You keep going down this road.
Macman shows his thought process, and you notice that it was valid.
This is where I feel scumminess from you in this. You back off Macman because you have lost all ammunition on him, and then proceed to say that you re-read BECAUSE OF SUMMONER'S QUESTION, and then voted him. I felt that was a scummy move because it just shows that you didn't really have any real scumpicks and just used some reasoning to justify you moving to Badwolf.
That is very general though. People can always act in differently in situations and I just feel it's a very weak reason to have voted Vinyl in the first place.
Ok, did you ever explain what the pressure vote did for you though? Like did it garner a read or something?
I'm not trying to dismiss them, sorry. I explain above why I see it that way.
Give me quotes. Also when did you start thinking of a bad/ori team? (Just say a post number)
Because your smiley came off as smug to me. This is referring to the hypocrite part, the second part was just my overall feeling of what you were doing.
I feel it isn't genuine because you say his reasoning is terrible and that he comes off as smug to tip him as scummy over dumbtown. (Since usually his reasoning are garbage regardless of alignment) I don't see any scum intent in his posts, and am not convinced by your case.[/COLLAPSE]
Makes DH scum.
