The Roster That Could Have Been

[The Legend Of Zelda]

By now just about all of us have probably filled out rosters with our best guesses of what's to come, most of us repeatedly revising those predictions as more information surfaces. But, as the day of reckoning draws nearer, there's less and less left to our imaginations.

Some surprises have come our way, to be sure. Few, I think, would have predicted Pokémon Trainer as a playable character, for instance. Likewise, there have been some disappointments... perhaps some of our favorite characters have already been relegated to assist trophy status.

Well I don't know about the rest of you, but I finally got sick of constantly revising my roster, especially when each day affords me a little less elbow room. Now I'd like to take matters into my own hands. I find myself asking how I'd have done it differently, had the task been left to me.

Well how would you? Maybe you'll find it a pointless exercise, but I don't think any more pointless than our endless guesses of what might be coming. Any inclusions you'd rather have overlooked; any oversights you particularly regret? Right those wrongs here, if only in an imaginative way.

 

[The Legend Of Zelda]

My Smash Roster

Mario
Luigi
Bowser
Peach
Toad
Yoshi
Wario
Kamek

Link
Ganon
Zelda
Tingle
Vaati

Pikachu
Red
Mewtwo
Giovanni

Ike
Micaiah
Black Knight

Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong
King K. Rool

Kirby
King Dedede
Meta Knight

Samus
Ridley
Metroid Prime

Captain Falcon
Samurai Goroh
Black Shadow

Andy
Sami
Sturm

Fox
Wolf
Krystal

Ray 01
Mamoru

Stafy
Ogura

Ness
Pokey

Pit

Little Mac

Mike Jones

Captain Olimar

Isaac

Animal Crosser

 

[Deleted member]

That's certainly not bad!

I did and still do support Waluigi. Sure, a filler character who became an AT only, but he still deserved it in my opinion. We as fans endured years of flames and bashings. And yet someone who is almost guaranteed to be playable gets any mention of him banned from SWF because his fans tear themselves apart...sad.

There will be a few suprises in the roster, but I am a little disappointed that all the "curveball choices" are as ATs this time.

 

[Yigguth]

looks like a good dream roster to me
however I like any list that has Captain O on it so I may be a little biased...
but why is Wario listed under Mario when he has his own franchise?

 

[IsmaR]

Did you mean Metroid Prime the Metroid? Or Dark Samus?
Anyway, that roster is awesome!

 

[vesperview]

WTH? Did you make that roster like a year ago or something?

 

[Zubyyyy]

Wario is not representing the Mario Series. Check hig logo, he's repping Warioware.

 

[adaptor17]

Probable But Somewhat Biased...

Mario Series
-Mario
-Luigi
-Peach
-Bowser
-Yoshi
-Wario

F-Zero Series
-Captain Falcon

Starfox Series
-Fox
-Krystal
-Falco

Pokemon Series
-Pikachu
-Jigglypuff
-Pokemon Trainer
-Mewtwo
-Lucario

Samus Series
-Samus/Zamus
-Ridley

Retro Characters
-Ice Climbers
-Pit
-Mr. Game & Watch


Legend of Zelda Series
-Link
-Zelda
-Ganondorf

Fire Emblem Series
-Ike
-Marth
-Micaiah

Donkey Kong Series
-Donkey Kong
-Diddy Kong
-King K. Rool

Kirby Series
-Kirby
-Meta Knight
-King Dedede

Mother/Earthbound Series
-Lucas
-Claus

Third Party Characters
-Sonic
-Snake
-Mega Man
-Pac-Man

 

[The Legend Of Zelda]

Did you mean Metroid Prime the Metroid? Or Dark Samus?
Anyway, that roster is awesome!

Well, both - how about the Metroid initially, with the ability to become a Dark version of the characters it faces? And thank you, I expected that the list catered so much to my personal tastes that it wouldn't appeal to many others.

As for those asking about where I've placed Wario: unless I'm using another rep or two from his series as distinct from Mario's, which I've decided not to do, I see no reason to draw a boundary. Same for Yoshi, although I think we'd all agree his series overlaps more with Mario's anyhow.

And vesperview, uh... did you read the first post or what?

TLOZ

 

[The Legend Of Zelda]

Probable But Somewhat Biased...

It's not a bad list, adaptor, but it doesn't particularly stray from the real thing. In fact, t's about as realistic a list as any I've seen. There's nothing you'd like to see done differently, if you could start the whole roster over from scratch?

TLOZ

 

[DreamFiend633]

Probable But Somewhat Biased...

Mario Series
-Mario
-Luigi
-Peach
-Bowser
-Yoshi
-Wario

F-Zero Series
-Captain Falcon

Starfox Series
-Fox
-Krystal
-Falco

Pokemon Series
-Pikachu
-Jigglypuff
-Pokemon Trainer
-Mewtwo
-Lucario

Samus Series
-Samus/Zamus
-Ridley

Retro Characters
-Ice Climbers
-Pit
-Mr. Game & Watch


Legend of Zelda Series
-Link
-Zelda
-Ganondorf

Fire Emblem Series
-Ike
-Marth
-Micaiah

Donkey Kong Series
-Donkey Kong
-Diddy Kong
-King K. Rool

Kirby Series
-Kirby
-Meta Knight
-King Dedede

Mother/Earthbound Series
-Lucas
-Claus

Third Party Characters
-Sonic
-Snake
-Mega Man
-Pac-Man

I like the way you think! Mine would be the same, give or take a couple characters. I would add Midna, Bowser Jr, Captain Olimar, Shiek, and maybe Bomberman, maybe take out Claus and add a WTF character. But that would basically be my dream roster though.

 

[Arteen]

I did and still do support Waluigi. Sure, a filler character who became an AT only, but he still deserved it in my opinion.

ATs are designed for characters that just aren't that important, and Waluigi is the posterboy for unimportance. He got exactly what he deserved, no more, no less.

 

[Pengie]

Why are Samurai Goroh and Stafy on there? And where is Lucas.

 

[DeuceBlade]

wth... Stafy was deconfirmed.. hard.

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

Why is Team Rocket even there? Over Lucario?

 

[Asian_Flava]

Probable But Somewhat Biased...

Mario Series
-Mario
-Luigi
-Peach
-Bowser
-Yoshi
-Wario

F-Zero Series
-Captain Falcon

Starfox Series
-Fox
-Krystal
-Falco

Pokemon Series
-Pikachu
-Jigglypuff
-Pokemon Trainer
-Mewtwo
-Lucario

Samus Series
-Samus/Zamus
-Ridley

Retro Characters
-Ice Climbers
-Pit
-Mr. Game & Watch


Legend of Zelda Series
-Link
-Zelda
-Ganondorf

Fire Emblem Series
-Ike
-Marth
-Micaiah

Donkey Kong Series
-Donkey Kong
-Diddy Kong
-King K. Rool

Kirby Series
-Kirby
-Meta Knight
-King Dedede

Mother/Earthbound Series
-Lucas
-Claus

Third Party Characters
-Sonic
-Snake
-Mega Man
-Pac-Man

Noice, This one sounds more accurate.. Minus Pacman though, he doesnt even have limbs, how can he fight?!?

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

Noice, This one sounds more accurate.. Minus Pacman though, he doesnt even have limbs, how can he fight?!?

Have you played any other Pacman game other than the original. He has arms and legs.

 

[Asian_Flava]

Have you played any other Pacman game other than the original. He has arms and legs.

Oh, lol, mah bad.. Yeah Ive only played the originals because they are the best ones o.O..

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

Oh, lol, mah bad.. Yeah Ive only played the originals because they are the best ones o.O..

Can't disagree on that.

 

[bballstar23]

People still don't understand the point of this thread. He is trying to show how he would make the roster if he had the choice, not his predictions for one. Granted, I disagree with a lot of the choices, but to each their own, I guess. This is how I would see the roster; though there are characters that I don't want, overall, it would be one of the best or most realistic ones for everyone:

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=130615

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

People still don't understand the point of this thread. He is trying to show how he would make the roster if he had the choice, not his predictions for one. Granted, I disagree with a lot of the choices, but to each their own, I guess. This is how I would see the roster; though there are characters that I don't want, overall, it would be one of the best or most realistic ones for everyone:

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=130615

True, although I do think some of the HMs should not be HMs, but reps instead. Overall you have a good list.

 

[Asian_Flava]

I friggin hate Lucario.. If he's in Brawl I will die.. Seriously, he is not worthy..

 

[bballstar23]

True, although I do think some of the HMs should not be HMs, but reps instead. Overall you have a good list.

Can you give me a few examples?

 

[The Legend Of Zelda]

Why is Team Rocket even there? Over Lucario?

In the world of the games, there's nothing I know of that makes Lucario stand out. With my Pokémon representation, I've made a big compromise in that I want to limit overcrowding as much as possible, while still representing many facets of a vast universe. Lucario's got a lot of virtues, I don't deny that, but he doesn't attract me with storyline significance on the level my eventual selections do. Team Rocket is your token evil trainer, they or an incarnation thereof have appeared as adversaries in many Pokémon titles. They'd have their battles fought by three "evil" Pokémon in the same way Red has his fought by three "good" ones. Hopefully most or all of these six Pokémon would come from later generations, as Pikachu and Mewtwo very capably represent the first already.

That aside, are people

A) Not reading the first post

or

B) Not understanding it

?

About 15 people have responded, and I think I'd be generous in saying that five of them have any clue what's going on.

Anybody have any tips for making the first post more easily understood? These responses are sort of giving me a headache.

TLOZ

 

[Chaosblade77]

Ok, here is what I would have liked to see, based on information before the Dojo. Making notes on the less-obvious ones.

Mario
Peach
Bowser
Luigi
Geno - I loved SMRPG, and he was always in my party from the time I got him because of his awesome specials and just because of how good he was in general.
Bowser Jr? - Mario gets a sixth rep, this would probably be the one to take the princess... er.. cake.

Pikachu
Mewtwo?
A few other pokemon, I am not much of a fan of that series anymore. XD

Link
Zelda/Sheik
Ganondorf
One more Zelda character other than Link. Vaati sounds the best to me so far.

Marth
Lyn - Personally, my favorite lord from FE7, which took the series worldwide. She was generally popular everywhere except Japan, but with Ike in there wasn't really room for her. She could easily have replaced Ike though, and like Ike, gotten a moveset unique from Marth just by her style.
Micaiah - FE mage who stands a chance, what else is there to say.

Samus/Zamus
Ridley
Dark Samus? - If there is room, or Ridley is not in for whatever reason. Not a must have, but could easily be a unique, fun character to play as.

Kirby
Meta Knight

Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong
K Rool? - If there was room.

Lucas - Planned for replacement in Melee, and he is practically Ness anyway.
Claus

Fox
Falco/Wolf
Krystal

Pit
Ice Climbers
Game and Watch?

Sonic
Snake
Mega Man

Total: 37

 

[SubparSmashBrother]

If I were making Brawl, this would be the roster:

Mario Franchise (7)
Mario
Luigi
Peach
Bowser
Bowser Jr.
Paper Mario
Geno

Zelda Franchise (5)
Link
Zelda
WW Link
Ganondorf
Tingle

Pokemon Franchise (6)
Pikachu
Jigglypuff
Mewtwo
Pokemon Trainer (he wouldn't have his pokemon do the fighting. Instead, he'd just have a moveset based on the items you get in the game.)
Deoxys
Lucario

Kirby Franchise (3)
Kirby
Meta Knight
King Dedede

Starfox Franchise (2)
Fox
Krystal

Metroid Franchise(2)
Samus
Ridley

DK Franchise (2)
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong

Retro (3)
Mr. Game and Watch
Pit
Ice Climbers

Fire Emblem (2)
Marth
Ike

F-Zero (2)
Captain Falcon
Samurai Goroh

Earthbound (2)
Lucas
Claus

3rd Party (4)
Sonic
Snake
Megaman
Bomberman

Other (6)
Captain Olimar
Tom Nook
Yoshi
Wario
Mii
Isaac

Total: 46 (Bloated, I know, but this is what I'D make the roster if I had complete control)

 

[kaid]

My own roster:

Mario:
Mario
Luigi
Peach
Bowser
Bowser Jr
Geno

LoZ:
Twilight Princess Link
Midna (on wolfback)
Zelda w/sword
Gannondorf (sword and sorcery)
Tingle
Young Link (WW/PH style)

Pokemon:
Pikachu
Pokemon Trainer
Mewtwo (powered up, with a longer <B and better vB)
Lucario
Jiggs

Starfox
Fox
Krystal
Wolf
Falco

Metroid
Samus/Zamus
Ridley
Weavel (w/ Halfturret transformation)

Kirby
Kirby
Metaknight
Dedede

DK
DK
Diddy
Dixie/Kiddy Kong pair

Fire Emblem
Marth
Ike
Lyn

Retro
Game and Watch
Pit
Ice Climbers

3rd Party
Sonic
Snake
Megaman

Fzero
Captian Falcon
Samouri Goh

Earthbound
Ness
Lucas

Other
Yoshi
Wario
Mii
Captian Olimar
Tom Nook
Issac (golden Sun)
Ray mk 1 (custom robo)
(the guy from punch out)
Balloon Fighter

40 characters.

 

[WarxePB]

My ideal roster:

Mario
Peach
Bowser
Luigi (with Thunderhand, Poltergust and Super Jump)
Geno (yeah)
Toad (has some moveset potential, and is more important than Bowser Jr. in terms of canon)

Wario

Yoshi

DK
Diddy Kong

Link
Zelda/Sheik
Ganondorf (w/ combination of TP sword, punches, kicks and magic)
WW Link (new Young Link with redesigned specials)
Tingle (as much as I want Midna/Wolf Link in, there's no way there'll be three Links representing Zelda... so Tingle comes instead)

Pikachu
PKMN Trainer
Jigglypuff
Mewtwo (w/ buffs all around... Lucario has a lot of potential moves, but Mewtwo has more overall potential)

Kirby
Meta Knight
King Dedede

Samus
Zero Suit Samus (as a separate character, I don't like how she's implemented right now)
Ridley (yeah)

Fox
Krystal
Wolf (retaining Falco's moveset with some new moves here and there)

Ike
Marth (w/ a nerf to his power moves, but similar otherwise)
Sigurd (averaged out by a somewhat quicker sword and slower but longer-range lance)

Ness (w/ SSBM moveset)
Lucas (w/ moveset based on his actual PSI)

Isaac

Animal Crosser (yeah)

Ice Climbers
Pit
S(u)kapon (my favoritest character ever)

Snake
Sonic
Megaman (Classic with an X alt)
Terra Branford (FF6)

Original Smash character (Wireframe, Ancient Minister, etc)

 

[Superninjabreadman]

Mario
Mario
Luigi
Paper Mario
Bowser
Peach
(Geno if he came as a Mario Rep)

Zelda
Link
Zelda
Sheik(Zelda Transform. not original)
Ganondorf
WW Link

Yoshi
Yoshi.

Donkey Kong
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong
King K.Rool

F- Zero
C. Falcon
Black Shadow

Fire Emblem
Marth
Ike
One other. IDK who. prolly not a Sword user.

Pokemon
Pikachu
Jigglypuff
Pkmn Trainer
Lucario

WarioWare
Wario

Classic
Ice Climbers
Pit

Starfox
Fox
Falco(w/Bazooka)
Wolf(Luigified Fox)

Metroid
Samus
Zamus(Samus Transform,Not seprate)
Ridley

Earthbound/MOTHER
Lucas
Claus
Ness

Kirby
Kirby
Metaknight
King Dedede

3rd Party
Sonic
Snake
Sora!!!!!!!!!!!!
(I dont really care who else. but we're prolly getting more than 3)

 

[matthewmilad]

That's certainly not bad!

I did and still do support Waluigi. Sure, a filler character who became an AT only, but he still deserved it in my opinion. We as fans endured years of flames and bashings. And yet someone who is almost guaranteed to be playable gets any mention of him banned from SWF because his fans tear themselves apart...sad.

There will be a few suprises in the roster, but I am a little disappointed that all the "curveball choices" are as ATs this time.

Thank you sir for your words of Waluigi.

 

[Banjodorf]

Wario doesnt rep the Mario series!!! Niether does Yoshi anymore!!

Stafy was deconfirmed, not that Im truly surprised, and thankfully so was Waluigi, I never liked Waluigi, I felt he was just there to supposedly be the Wario to Luigi.. which was truly ridiculous.

 

[TheMagicalKuja]

My ideal roster... Strange, isn't it?

Mario (With Doc Mario suit)
Luigi
Peach (w/Daisy Suit)
Bowser
Geno

Pikachu
Mewtwo (w/ Giygas/Giegue suit/final smash)
Jiggs
Pokeymanz Trainer (with equivalent generations suits)
Darkrai

Kirby
Metaknight
Dedede

Ike
Marth (w/ Sigurd Costume)
Micaiah

Link
Zelda
Ganondork (lawl I'm sorry, can't resist)
Midna

Donkey Kong
Diddy
Kaptain K. Rool

Lucas (w/ Ness/Ninten/Claus alternate suits)
Masked Man (Claus)

Samus/ZSS
Ridley

Fox
Falco (Luigified, not completely de-cloned)

Yoshi

Wario

Ice Climbers

Cap'n Falcon (With Mach Rider suit)

Pit

Ayumi Tachibana (for maximum WTF factor)

Mr. Game and Watch

Snake

Sonic

KOS-MOS (>_>)

Sora (<_<)

I really feel alternate suits can go somewhere, which is why I spam them.

 

[Batsu]

Ideal roster for me

Mario
Mario
Bowser
Luigi
Peach
Geno

Pokemon
Pikachu
Jigglypuff
Mewtwo
Pokemon Trainer

StarFox
Fox
Falco
Krystal

Wario
Wario

Yoshi
Yoshi

Zelda
Link
Zelda
Ganondorf
WW Link

Old School
Pit
Game & Watch
Ice Climbers

Fire Emblem
Marth
Roy
Ike
Mieriah

Metroid
Samus
Ridley

Mother
Ness
Lucas

F-Zero
Capitan Falcon
Black Shadow

Golden Sun
Isaac

Animal Crossing
Animal crossing character

3rd Party characters
Snake(Konami)
Sonic(Sega)
Megaman(Capcom)
Cecil or Chrono (Square-Enix)
Cless or lloyed (Namco)

38 characters there

 

[Viscano]

I think it's sad that whenever I see a roster thread, I go to it and scroll down to see if Ridley is in it.

 

[Aamon]

So, basically, we post the roster we would have made if we had the power?
Okay, let me try.

Mario series
Mario
Luigi
Peach
Bowser
Bowser Jr. (I admit, I don't like him that much, but his Magic Brush and Shadow Mario form would be cool in Brawl)
Geno

Donkey Kong series
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong
King K. Rool

Zelda series
Link
Zelda/Sheik
Ganondorf
Young Link (done in cel-shaded form)

Metroid series
Samus/Zamus
Ridley

Yoshi series
Yoshi
Kamek

Kirby series
Kirby
Meta Knight
King Dedede

Star Fox series
Fox
Falco or Wolf (either one would be fine)
Krystal

Pokemon series
Pikachu
Jigglypuff
Pokemon Trainer
Mewtwo
Gardevoir (okay, I'm being biased, but this is my list)

F-Zero series
Captain Falcon
Samurai Goroh
Black Shadow

Mother series
Ness
Lucas

Fire Emblem series
Ike
Black Knight
Marth

Wario series
Wario
Ashley
Captain Syrup

Other series
Pit
Ice Climbers
Mr. Game & Watch
Tom Nook (heh)
Captain Olimar

Third Party
Snake
Sonic
KOS-MOS (yeah, I know it's biased)

Total characters: 47

Okay...that's a lot...
I don't even think the disc can hold that much data!
(well, unless they made an add-on disc)

 

[Magically Enhanced Hobo]

Did anybody actually read the first post? This thread is for making the roster that could have been, back before everyone and their mom got deconfirmed as Bosses, Assist Trophies, Pokeballs, and the like.

Meaning Lyn, Samurai Goroh, Deoxys, Little Mac, Munchlax, Gardevoir, and all those other guys.

Anyways, this is a good thread to reflect back on the good ol' days, but obviously it didn't turn out too well, since people are just posting their generic roster predictions.

 

[The Legend Of Zelda]

Pokemon Trainer (he wouldn't have his pokemon do the fighting. Instead, he'd just have a moveset based on the items you get in the game.)

Total: 46 (Bloated, I know, but this is what I'D make the roster if I had complete control)

You know, I may like that version of the trainer better myself. I'll probably do the same.

And I don't think 46 is particularly bloated, though scrolling through other peoples' lists that does seem like a fairly popular opinion. Perhaps it's misinformation (I have no evidence handy), but I had thought Sakurai had once given us a ceiling of "no more than 50", a number which I might myself raise my roster to. As long as we're dreaming, anyway, huh?

TLOZ

 

[The Legend Of Zelda]

bump [also changed "Team Rocket" to simply "Giovanni" - seems more manageable]

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

How many other people out there had Zero Suit Samus on your wanted list BEFORE she was announced...

I have to say, THAT was hilarious seeing that prediction come true.

...Of course, it wasn't named Zero Suit Samus on my list, it was armorless Samus.

 

[Cosine]

Oh, lol, mah bad.. Yeah Ive only played the originals because they are the best ones o.O..

His final smash could be when everyone else turns blue and runs away


Mine

01 - Mario
02 - Link
03 - Pikachu
04 - Kirby
05 - Fox
06 - Samus/Zero Suit
07 - Pit
08 - Meta Knight
09 - Zelda (Hopefully Shiek)
10 - Bowser
11 - Pokemon Trainer
12 - Wario
13 - Sonic
14 - Donkey Kong
15 - Diddy Kong
16 - Ice Climbers
17 - Ike
18 - King Dedede
19 - Lucas
20 - Yoshi
21 - Peach
22 - Snake

23 - Luigi
24 - C. Falcon
25 - Jigglypuff
26 - Ganon
27 - Falco
28 - Young Link (Wind Waker)
29 - Mr. Game & Watch
30 - Mewtwo
31 - Ridley
32 - Bowser Jr.
33 - Krystal
34 - Marth
35 - Geno
36 - Mega Man
37 - Balloon Fighter
38 - Dark Samus
39 - Wolf
40 - Micaiah
41 - Captain Olimar
42 - Bomberman
42 - Issac
43 - Lucario
44 - Ashley
45 - Paper Mario
46 - Claus
47 - Ray (Custom Robo)
48 - Minda
49 - Deku Link (The Whole Masked Link Idea)
50 - Tails