Important The Ridley for SSB4 Thread - End of an Era

[Fang3207]

Nah, but really, he's gonna be playable. I was certain yesterday. Now I'm even more sure!

How?

 

[LockFelino]

How?

A rather large argument against Ridley has been put to rest by Sakurai himself in the POTD.

 

[Zeox]

How?

Pyrosphere is only in wii U
Sakurai never said: "Ridley is a boss"
the shadow is too small for a boss
Ridley is one of the most popular characters.
The game need more Metroid characters.
The game need more villains

 

[SchAlternate]

"Pic of the day. This time, you can challenge every fighter in All-Star Mode from the moment you turn on the game!! This is a survival battle with limited recovery items and no option to continue. However, this mode will be incomplete until you've unlocked every fighter... Until then, you can only play against characters that are already available. This is a picture of the bottom-screen menu, with a padlock indicating that the mode is still incomplete."

+1 everyone who grasped at the straws.

... Huh

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Well, a certain FE newcomer would like a word...

Oh my god, how did no one come up with that joke before.

 

[James Phillips]

All I could hear was someone selecting free for all, then Marth and coughing into the mic. Just seems like a half-***** troll attempt to me.

but its reel u guys, my dad works 4 sakurai
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1HiPej1KaF8

 

[Cutie Gwen]

A rather large argument against Ridley has been put to rest by Sakurai himself in the POTD.

 

[Fang3207]

A rather large argument against Ridley has been put to rest by Sakurai himself in the POTD.

That argument was never valid to begin with, but that's not what I asked lol.

Pyrosphere is only in wii U
Sakurai never said: "Ridley is a boss"
the shadow is too small for a boss
Ridley is one of the most popular characters.
The game need more Metroid characters.
The game need more villains

Pyrosphere is only in Wii U because it's a console based stage
Sakurai brought up his shadow in a segment about stage hazards, also, he never said he was a character either.
That's like saying Yellow Devil isn't a boss because he has a small shadow.
Waluigi is more popular than Ridley, and he's an assist trophy.
You're not one to judge that
Again, you're not one to judge that

 

[CrypticSpark]

Sounds more like somebody coughing over the Brawl narrator saying Luigi in order to give the impression of it being Ridley.

Turned it up and listened to the coughing as I thought it was intended to be a jump scare and Luigi is all I heard as well. The sound they're making with the controller and the cough just makes them sound like a 12 year old trying to get attention. If it was Ridley why didn't they just flat out let the announcer say it and what was with all the noise with the controller, you would think someone from within Nintendo would be a lot more professional than that even leaking out something like this if it was true.

but its reel u guys, my dad works 4 sakurai
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1HiPej1KaF8

The thread nearly got locked because some people took a joke drawing way too serious, we don't need any more stuff potentially causing enough controversy to lock it.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

I don't know what to think about Ridley.
I wouldn't mind if he were in Brawl because of his dark, hyper-realistic artstyle, but I can't see him fitting in a game like this.

Ridley rocks a bright purple in his most recent appearance, no matter his role he's going to fit in just fine with the game's artstyle.

 

[Irarius]

well

but its reel u guys, my dad works 4 sakurai
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1HiPej1KaF8

that sounds even more like a fake.... sorry... but that sounds just tooooo hard like fake i would love to believe it but i just cant.

 

[Fang3207]

Ridley rocks a bright purple in his most recent appearance, no matter his role he's going to fit in just fine with the game's artstyle.

I wasn't specifically talking about his color lol.

 

[Zeox]

That argument was never valid to begin with, but that's not what I asked lol.



Pyrosphere is only in Wii U because it's a console based stage
Sakurai brought up his shadow in a segment about stage hazards, also, he never said he was a character either.
Waluigi is more popular than Ridley, and he's an assist trophy.
You're not one to judge that
Again, you're not one to judge that

Waluigi is not more popular than Ridley, and i dont judge something, they are facts.
pyrosphere is only in wii U, but Wily castle is in both... why? because wily castle is a boss stage, but pyrosphere isnt.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

That argument was never valid to begin with, but that's not what I asked lol.



1Pyrosphere is only in Wii U because it's a console based stage
2Sakurai brought up his shadow in a segment about stage hazards, also, he never said he was a character either.
3Waluigi is more popular than Ridley, and he's an assist trophy.
4You're not one to judge that
5Again, you're not one to judge that

1 We have handheld stages and console stages on other systems!
2 That was the Yellow Devil section
3 HAHAHAHAHAHA No. Ridley is one of the most requested, he is in the top 5 of all time
4 As if Samus and Samus are enough
5 We needed females and villains, we now have a f*ckton of females and next to no villains, Sakurai is listening to fans

 

[Vintage Creep]

I'm starting to think you guys feel pleasure in having your dreams crushed before your eyes.

 

[Fang3207]

Waluigi is not more popular than Ridley, and i dont judge something, they are facts.
pyrosphere is only in wii U, but Wily castle is in both... why? because wily castle is a boss stage, but pyrosphere isnt.

Mega Man 2 is on 3DS and Wii U Virtual Console. Other M is only on Wii.
Waluigi is way more popular than Ridley. He's one of the most famous Mario characters, and Mario is waaaay more popular than Metroid.

 

[False Sense]

Oh yes, I believe I argued earlier how changes could be made to All-Star mode, even if those changes went against tradition.

Now we have an All-Star mode that's playable from the start; that's one major deviation from tradition.

 

[Gre ninja'd]

Ridleys leading argument seems to be dead, still doesn't confirm him, but holding out for that direct to be real, and we get Ridley.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

I wasn't specifically talking about his color lol.

Then I'm not sure what you're refering to. Plenty of characters are stuffed with details and there are already a lot of clashing artstyles in the game too, Ridley really isn't an outlier in this regard at all.

 

[LockFelino]

Mega Man 2 is on 3DS and Wii U Virtual Console. Other M is only on Wii.
Waluigi is way more popular than Ridley. He's one of the most famous Mario characters, and Mario is waaaay more popular than Metroid.

"Waluigi is way more popular than Ridley": Opinion. "Both are popular in their own fandoms and respects": Fact.

 

[Fang3207]

1 We have handheld stages and console stages on other systems!
2 That was the Yellow Devil section
3 HAHAHAHAHAHA No. Ridley is one of the most requested, he is in the top 5 of all time
4 As if Samus and Samus are enough
5 We needed females and villains, we now have a f*ckton of females and next to no villains, Sakurai is listening to fans

1 Examples please?
2 If it were a section only for Yellow Devil then why did they dedicate some time for Ridley?
3 That doesn't matter, Waluigi is still more popular and he's an assist trophy
4 That's Sakurai's judgement and choice, not yours
5 I never said we didn't or did, I said we don't have a right to make these judgements

"Waluigi is way more popular than Ridley": Opinion. "Both are popular in their own fandoms and respects": Fact.

I can back up my opinion with facts, like how Mario is more recognizable and popular than Metroid, and Waluigi is a main character pretty much all the spin-offs.

 

[LockFelino]

1 Examples please?
2 If it were a section only for Yellow Devil then why did they dedicate some time for Ridley?
3 That doesn't matter, Waluigi is still more popular and he's an assist trophy
4 That's Sakurai's judgement and choice, not yours
5 I never said we didn't or did, I said we don't have a right to make these judgements

1: Battlefield and Gaur Plains (If logic is to be believed)
2: Sakurai knows the infamous past of Ridley
3: Again, opinion
4: Granted
5: We may not have a right, but we can attempt to make our voices heard, something which Sakurai so far has responded to

I can back up my opinion with facts, like how Mario is more recognizable and popular than Metroid, and Waluigi is a main character pretty much all the spin-offs.

Yes. Spin-offs. Name a main series game he's been in. The only spin-off he had an important role in was the Mario Dance Dance Revolution game, and a very minor role in a Mario Party game. The others he was just playable, that's it.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Waluigi is way more popular than Ridley. He's one of the most famous Mario characters, and Mario is waaaay more popular than Metroid.

Waluigi is not popular, he's a known figure but most people hate him. Even then he's never been a very notable request for getting into Smash, which is what matters.

 

[AlexTLW]

That argument was never valid to begin with, but that's not what I asked lol.



Pyrosphere is only in Wii U because it's a console based stage
Sakurai brought up his shadow in a segment about stage hazards, also, he never said he was a character either.
That's like saying Yellow Devil isn't a boss because he has a small shadow.
Waluigi is more popular than Ridley, and he's an assist trophy.
You're not one to judge that
Again, you're not one to judge that

I will kindly direct you to this page, scroll down to the Megaman photo comparing Ridleys shadow and Megamans on Pyrosphere. why is Ridleys shadow only 2x bigger than megamans shadow. that would make him the size of Bowser. yellow devil doesn't have a shadow THIS small

http://smashboards.com/threads/the-...g-in-the-detractors-paradise.324284/page-1095

 

[Chase]

I can back up my opinion with facts, like how Mario is more recognizable and popular than Metroid, and Waluigi is a main character pretty much all the spin-offs.

This statement contradicts itself. A main character in spin-offs is nothing compared to Ridley's role as Metroid's main villain, no matter how "popular" Waluigi is. I mean, Daisy is a major spin-off character, but she doesn't do anything in the main games. At least Daisy has appeared in one! Waluigi is not even close to Ridley's level of importance or popularity, and never will be. So do not act they are comparable.

No offense to fans of Waluigi.

 

[T-Hell]

I'm starting to think you guys feel pleasure in having your dreams crushed before your eyes.

Keep living in pessimism and depression, while we stay healthier being optimistic and hopeful.

 

[Fang3207]

1: Battlefield and Gaur Plains (If logic is to be believed)
2: Sakurai knows the infamous past of Ridley
3: Again, opinion
4: Granted
5: We may not have a right, but we can attempt to make our voices heard, something which Sakurai so far has responded to

1: Battlefield isn't from a specific game, and Xenoblade is being ported to 3DS
2: Okay? It still wasn't a segment exclusive to Yellow Devil.
3: I can back it up with fact. Waluigi is a famous Mario character, and Mario is more popular than Metroid. Mario Party, Mario Kart, Mario Sports games, etc. sell way more than Metroid games.
5: It's Sakurai's judgement, not ours. You can try to make your voices heard, but it's still his judgement.

 

[Poopmin]

1 Examples please?
2 If it were a section only for Yellow Devil then why did they dedicate some time for Ridley?
3 That doesn't matter, Waluigi is still more popular and he's an assist trophy
4 That's Sakurai's judgement and choice, not yours
5 I never said we didn't or did, I said we don't have a right to make these judgements

He isn't an assist trophy because he isn't popular enough, he's am assist trophy because he isn't important enough. Waluigi has only ever appeared in the spin off games and until he appears in a main series game with a prominent role he will most likely never leave the assist trophy status.

Ridley on the other hand is one the most requested western characters just sitting under Little Mac, who by golly miss Molly, has gotten in. Ridley is also much more important to Metroid than Waluigi could ever dream of being for Mario. If a character is going to be a Nintendo all star they need certain traits and Ridley's got all of them in spades.

 

[Fang3207]

This statement contradicts itself. A main character in spin-offs is nothing compared to Ridley's role as Metroid's main villain, no matter how "popular" Waluigi is. I mean, Daisy is a major spin-off character, but she doesn't do anything in the main games. At least Daisy has appeared in one! Waluigi is not even close to Ridley's level of importance or popularity, and never will be. So do not act they are comparable.

No offense to fans of Waluigi.

Waluigi is in pretty much every Mario spin-off.
Mario Kart itself has sold more than the entire Metroid franchise.

 

[LockFelino]

1: Battlefield isn't from a specific game, and Xenoblade is being ported to 3DS
2: Okay? It still wasn't a segment exclusive to Yellow Devil.
3: I can back it up with fact. Waluigi is a famous Mario character, and Mario is more popular than Metroid. Mario Party, Mario Kart, Mario Sports games, etc. sell way more than Metroid games.
5: It's Sakurai's judgement, not ours. You can try to make your voices heard, but it's still his judgement.

1: Which contradicts your reasoning for the Mega Man stage being present. Pyrosphere has never appeared in a handheld Metroid game.
2: Did I say that? No.
3: Yeah, fact. Tell me, what main series game has he appeared in? What's that? None!? Oh I'm not surprised.
4: You missed it
5: I never said it wasn't.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Being a playable character doesn't make Waluigi a MAIN character in spinoffs

 

[Vintage Creep]

Keep living in pessimism and depression, while we stay healthier being optimistic and hopeful.

lol

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I prefer pessimism because it means I'm never disappointed

 

[Aeon Lupin]

That argument was never valid to begin with, but that's not what I asked lol.



Pyrosphere is only in Wii U because it's a console based stage
Sakurai brought up his shadow in a segment about stage hazards, also, he never said he was a character either.
That's like saying Yellow Devil isn't a boss because he has a small shadow.
Waluigi is more popular than Ridley, and he's an assist trophy.
You're not one to judge that
Again, you're not one to judge that

1. Then explain why Wily's Castle, and to an extent, Gaur Plains are both in the 3ds and WiiU?
2. Yes, but he didn't confirm him either to be a boss. Makes less sense to hide him for this long if he's a boss.
3. Yellow devil has only been seen in one perspective, and it looked like his shadow was passing to the bottom back of the stage because it was TOO BIG.
4. Your point? Mew is more popular than Ice Climbers, but its not a playable Smash character. Besides, as a requested character, Ridley is far more popular than Waluigi.
5. Considering Metroid has been a long standing part of Smash, and Ridley is the only other significant character in the franchise that has yet to be represented, yeah, I'd say he's in the right to judge.
6. Sakurai remedied the lack of females in Brawl with this game. Dedede, Bowser, Wolf, and Ganondorf were the only real villain characters, and more wouldn't hurt, especially if we consider Wolf cut, Ridley has a spot for himself.

 

[Fang3207]

1: Which contradicts your reasoning for the Mega Man stage being present. Pyrosphere has never appeared in a handheld Metroid game.
2: Did I say that? No.
3: Yeah, fact. Tell me, what main series game has he appeared in? What's that? None!? Oh I'm not surprised.
4: You missed it
5: I never said it wasn't.

1: It's never appeared on a handheld, so it's not on the 3DS version. How does that prove he's not a stage hazard?
2: That was my point with someone else. You responded to it.
3: He appeared in Mario Kart, and Mario Kart sold WAY more than Metroid.
4: There was nothing to respond to, you just said "Granted."
5: Again, that was my point with someone else and you responded to it.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

1: It's never appeared on a handheld, so it's not on the 3DS version. How does that prove he's not a stage hazard?

It also doesn't prove he IS a stage hazard

and Mario kart making more money than metroid only helps MARIO

The second it's Waluigi kart and it makes as much money it means something

 

[Fang3207]

1. Then explain why Wily's Castle, and to an extent, Gaur Plains are both in the 3ds and WiiU?
2. Yes, but he didn't confirm him either to be a boss. Makes less sense to hide him for this long if he's a boss.
3. Yellow devil has only been seen in one perspective, and it looked like his shadow was passing to the bottom back of the stage because it was TOO BIG.
4. Your point? Mew is more popular than Ice Climbers, but its not a playable Smash character. Besides, as a requested character, Ridley is far more popular than Waluigi.
5. Considering Metroid has been a long standing part of Smash, and Ridley is the only other significant character in the franchise that has yet to be represented, yeah, I'd say he's in the right to judge.
6. Sakurai remedied the lack of females in Brawl with this game. Dedede, Bowser, Wolf, and Ganondorf were the only real villain characters, and more wouldn't hurt, especially if we consider Wolf cut, Ridley has a spot for himself.

1. Because Mega Man 2 is on both Wii U and 3DS, and Xenoblade is on both Wii and New 3DS.
2. He brought him up in a segment about boss characters.
4. My point is, it's not only about popularity.
5. Who? We all know Sakurai is the only one with proper judgement in this case.
6. Again, we aren't to judge. Sakurai could add other boss characters besides Ridley. We don't know. Again, only Sakurai has the proper judgement in this case.

 

[CHUBUNATO]

Waluigi is way more popular than Ridley.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Thats the best thing I heard in a while. You must be a comedian.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Also Waluigi sucks

only nerds pick him

Especially when there is dry bowser

Who is eventually going to be in mario kart 8

 

[Fang3207]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Thats the best thing I heard all week. You must be a comedian.

Waluigi is in almost every Mario spinoff, including Mario Kart which outsold Metroid as a whole.

 

[Zeox]

Waluigi is in pretty much every Mario spin-off.
Mario Kart itself has sold more than the entire Metroid franchise.

nobody buys a mario game only for Waluigi, but alot of people buy a metroid game for the classic "samus vs ridley"