The Professor Layton for SSB4 thread!

[Deleted member]

I'm getting fed up waiting for scraps of news about the greatest crossover of all. Is there some sort of online petition already working, or shall I start one?

I do think your counterarguments for Layton are good. But the one thing I see as a threat isn't really covered: Is Layton important and iconic enough to be a Third-Party candidate? Is he requested enough?

I would say so; he got tenth in a character contest in Japan, and he's one of the DS's and 3DS's most popular franchises. I would say thats enough.

 

[Curious Villager]

Well, if you couldn't tell by my avatar, if I did get to pick a second third party character for SSB4, it would definitly be Layton.

Awesome! I'll add you to the supporters then. ^_^

I'm getting fed up waiting for scraps of news about the greatest crossover of all. Is there some sort of online petition already working, or shall I start one?

Well in terms of that crossover we did get this piece of news out of it recently.

According to a Nintendo Town report (translated via Australian gaming site Vooks), when asked about a European release of the crossover at the Japan Expo in France last week, Level-5 CEO Akihiro Hino said, "Something is in the works."
He then added, "but I can't talk about it today. Please be patient."

Make of it as you will, Professor Layton and Ace Attorney games do tend to take a while to get translated so I'm not too surprised that it's taking a while to reveal anything in regards to that crossover. (That's why I was quite surprised to hear that Professor Layton and the Azran Legacy was going to get released soon.)

I do think your counterarguments for Layton are good. But the one thing I see as a threat isn't really covered: Is Layton important and iconic enough to be a Third-Party candidate? Is he requested enough?

Well the series did receive a large commercial success and the Layton series often gets advertised among Nintendo's other series. Not to mention that it was the Layton series that gave the 3DS the boost in sales in Japan that it lacked in the other regions. It's at least a very well respected series.

As for if he is requested enough. I'm not very sure about that, I've been among the Layton fandom for a very good while and I know that a lot of them would love to see Layton in smash bros and they are at their loudest when something smash related comes up. Remember that rigged poll where Skull Kid won? When the Layton fandom heard of the news that that poll would be send off to Sakurai a lot of them gathered together in order to vote on that poll for Layton and show their support (They also voted on any other characters they liked). Not to mention that prank post where "Layton" said he was in a grand smash tournament along with Geno, Little Mac and Megaman made by some voice actor. And then of course there was the pre E3 direct where a lot of them where getting anxious in hopes of anticipation to see Layton revealed in that trailer which he sadly didn't and there was a lot of disappointment that he wasn't revealed in it. (Don't worry, there were no blames to Megaman, Villager or Wii Fit Trainer. In fact they used Villager and Wii fit Trainer as a counter argument to those pacifist arguments)

I think the thing I'm trying to say is. Layton only gets hyped up when something smash related or something that feels "official" gets brought up, else the fanbase is just quiet. I think what we need to do is try and keep them motivated for much longer than a short little while. I'm not really sure how we should do that though.... Like should we do an online petition or something? I honestly don't know, some ideas on how to get him more requested would be nice though.... :/

 

[Deleted member]

Thank you; by the way, I have my own idea for Layton's moveset, would you mind if I posted it here?

 

[Curious Villager]

Thank you; by the way, I have my own idea for Layton's moveset, would you mind if I posted it here?

Yeah sure go ahead. I'll happily also include it to the OP if you like. ^_^

 

[Crap-Zapper]

It would be real fun to see Professor Layton make it in SSB4, but then again, now with Megaman, Snake and Sonic from current and previous, I'd say it's a long shot to see Hershal in the game, but I'm a supporter Yes.

 

[Curious Villager]

It would be real fun to see Professor Layton make it in SSB4, but then again, now with Megaman, Snake and Sonic from current and previous, I'd say it's a long shot to see Hershal in the game, but I'm a supporter Yes.

Yeah Layton's chances are a bit shaky. Especially if Sonic and Snake return and if we do get a Namco character after all. I don't think Sakurai would add more than 4 third party characters but oh well... At least not in Smash Bros Wii U and 3DS I would hope....

I've added you to the supporters list. ^_^

 

[Crap-Zapper]

Thanks.

Yeah, I remember in an interview that the creators of Layton got asked, if they would like Layton to be part of Smash 4, and they said Yes. So That would be great. I see a lot of possibilities for moveset when it comes to the british puzzle solver ^^

 

[Curious Villager]

Thanks.

Yeah, I remember in an interview that the creators of Layton got asked, if they would like Layton to be part of Smash 4, and they said Yes. So That would be great. I see a lot of possibilities for moveset when it comes to the british puzzle solver ^^

Yeah they did say that it would be a wonderful opportunity. Professor Layton was even requested to both Masahiro Sakurai and Akihiro Hino at the very same time during a talk show so their both aware.

Same here. I did say that I would be making another moveset that is mostly based on the puzzles he solves. Kinda like how Sakurai did Megaman. I'll see when I will get around to doing that.

 

[Deleted member]

Well, heres the moveset I came up with.

Spoiler

Professor Layton's Moveset

Entrance: The Laytonmobile drives onto the stage in the background (in all it's handrawn style glory), and Layton steps out of the car.

Neutral attack: Layton sticks his finger out like in his "Correct" pose, with a small exclamation mark over his head.

Forward Tilt: Layton tips his hat forward, slightly damaging anyone who touches it.

Up Tilt: Layton lifts his hat up, slightly damaging everyone who touches it.

Down Tilt: Layton ducks down and kicks the enemy.

Dash attack: Layton slips and propels himself forward, damaging anyone he touches.

Forward Smash: Layton pulls out his sword and performs multiple stabs.

Up Smash: Layton performs a powerful stab upward.

Down Smash: Layton ducks down and performs two powerful sword swipes.

Neutral Aerial: Layton has a small exclamation mark appear in front of him, damaging people who touch it.

Forward Aerial: Layton summons a small letter L made out of blocks in front of him.

Up aerial: A drawn top hat appears above Layton and damages anyone who touches it.

Down Aerial: Layton summons two clock hands pointing down below him.

Grab attack: Layton does his correct pose right in front of the enemy.

Forward Throw: A sliding block appears and pushes the grabbed opponent away away.

Back Throw: A sliding block appears and pushes the opponent backwards.

Up Throw: An exclamation mark propels the enemy upward.

Down throw: Layton slips on a banana peel and throws his opponent down in the process.

Standard Special: Slot Machine Gun; Layton briefly charges the slot machine gun from Unwound Future, then unleashes a rapid flurry of coins; after a while it will run out of coins and you will have to recharge.

Side Special: Toy Robot: Layton sends out the toy robot from Miracle Mask, after walking for a while, it will explode.

Up Special: Glider: Layton pulls put the Glider from Curious Village, and leaps into the air, then slowly descends.

Down Special: Catapult: Layton summons his catapult from Last Spectre and has it launch a projectile at his opponents.

Final Smash: Laytonmobile: Layton gets in the Laytonmobile and starts flying around the stage, the car being touched automatically damaging enemies (though with little knockback), and Layton can throw bombs from the window. Eventually the transformation will end and Layton will get out of the car.

Standard Taunt: Smiles, and says "This reminds me of a puzzle"

Up Taunt: Tips his hat, and says "A true gentleman leaves no puzzle unsolved"

Down Taunt: Pulls out a cup of tea and drinks it.

What do you think? (And can somebody please tell me how to mark it under spoilers?)

And yes, I would appreaciate it if this were added to the OP.

 

[Curious Villager]

What do you think? (And can somebody please tell me how to mark it under spoilers?)

And yes, I would appreaciate it if this were added to the OP.

It's certainly a creative moveset yes as well of the use of some of the puzzles you get to solve in the series. I've included it into the OP, thanks. ^_^

If you want to mark something under a spoiler tag just type in.

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Without the spaces.

 

[Deleted member]

It's certainly a creative moveset yes as well of the use of some of the puzzles you get to solve in the series. I've included it into the OP, thanks. ^_^

If you want to mark something under a spoiler tag just type in.

[ collapse ] Insert whatever you want to write [ /collapse ]

Without the spaces.

Thank you!

 

[Curious Villager]

You're very welcome TopHattedTroopa. ^_^

By the way guys, I will probably be gone and unable to log in here for a week but don't hesitate to continue posting moveset, stage, assist trophy ideas as well as including any counter arguments or any news relating to Layton and smash Bros. Once I'm back I will catch up and include everything to the OP. ^_^

 

[Deleted member]

You're very welcome TopHattedTroopa. ^_^

By the way guys, I will probably be gone and unable to log in here for a week but don't hesitate to continue posting moveset, stage, assist trophy ideas as well as including any counter arguments or any news relating to Layton and smash Bros. Once I'm back I will catch up and include everything to the OP. ^_^

I see; I have few ideas to toss around.

 

[Curious Villager]

I see; I have few ideas to toss around.

Sure, go ahead if you want to share them now. I'm still here right now. ^_^

 

[Deleted member]

Sure, go ahead if you want to share them now. I'm still here right now. ^_^

Gladly.

I would say to have St Mystere as his stage, like you suggested in the OP, though rather than the stage transitioning to different parts of the village, it would stay in one area (which one it is I don't mind). However, occasionally, a red exclamation mark would appear (like when a character has a puzzle for you in the games) and the characters would be sent into a puzzle; similar to the WarioWare stage in Brawl where it would send you to a microgame. There would be around five puzzles in the stage.

 

[Curious Villager]

Gladly.

I would say to have St Mystere as his stage, like you suggested in the OP, though rather than the stage transitioning to different parts of the village, it would stay in one area (which one it is I don't mind). However, occasionally, a red exclamation mark would appear (like when a character has a puzzle for you in the games) and the characters would be sent into a puzzle; similar to the WarioWare stage in Brawl where it would send you to a microgame.

I see, what kinds of puzzles would you solve during the course of the stage?

 

[Deleted member]

I see, what kinds of puzzles would you solve during the course of the stage?

A sliding puzzle would be one; another would be a maze type puzzle and one of those accursed clock puzzles where you would have to push the clock hands until the hands would point to a certain time.

 

[Curious Villager]

I see then. So for the Sliding Puzzle, do the character have to push the slides around by bumping into them? in order to get a simple picture?

For the Maze, do you need to travel a certain path until you reach the exit?

And for the clock, you mentioned that you need to push the hands to reach a certain time. That does sound interesting yes.

Maybe we should think of a few more ideas no? Also, would there be a timer like the Wario Ware stage or can you take your own time in solving them?

 

[Deleted member]

I see then. So for the Sliding Puzzle, do the character have to push the slides around by bumping into them? in order to get a simple picture?

For the Maze, do you need to travel a certain path until you reach the exit?

And for the clock, you mentioned that you need to push the hands to reach a certain time. That does sound interesting yes.

Maybe we should think of a few more ideas no? Also, would there be a timer like the Wario Ware stage or can you take your own time in solving them?

Yes, you would have to push the blocks into the shape of a simple picture (a top hat for example) .

Yeah; there would be around four or five paths to take in the maze.

Yes; it would put those frustrating clock puzzles to good use.

I have a few more ideas in mind, so sure.

There wouldn't be a timer; mainly because these are things you would need to take time with, not quick minigames like the WarioWare microgames.

 

[Curious Villager]

I see then. Feel free to share more ideas regarding the stage then. I'll work it then into the OP. ^_^

 

[Deleted member]

Perhaps

I see then. Feel free to share more ideas regarding the stage then. I'll work it then into the OP. ^_^

Well then; I'd say a good way to squeeze in more characters is to have them appear the background of the chosen stage (Chelmey, Don Paolo, and Grosky for example) giving out the puzzles. The characters there would change every time you go to the stage (the chosen character would be random); shouldn't be hard to program in.

Another idea for a puzzle would be one of those puzzles from Diabolical Box where you would slip around on an icy plain (or the similair puzzles from Unwound Future with the bananas).

 

[Curious Villager]

I see, say if a character solved the puzzle or didn't would we also see them have this puzzle solved (or failed to solve) animation if they get it right or wrong?

Oh those types of puzzles. I suppose they could work.

Anyway, I'm going to add your ideas to the OP and then call it a day. I need to get myself ready. Thanks for sharing your ideas TopHattedTroopa. If you have any more feel free to do so. Even if I'm absent.

Edit: I've included your ideas to the OP, TopHattedTroopa.

 

[Deleted member]

I see, say if a character solved the puzzle or didn't would we also see them have this puzzle solved (or failed to solve) animation if they get it right or wrong?

Oh those types of puzzles. I suppose they could work.

Anyway, I'm going to add your ideas to the OP and then call it a day. I need to get myself ready. Thanks for sharing your ideas TopHattedTroopa. If you have any more feel free to do so. Even if I'm absent.

Edit: I've included your ideas to the OP, TopHattedTroopa.

I'd say having them do their win pose (for winning a match) if they get it right, and they're loosing pose can be their incorrect pose.

Yeah.

Thank you and I'll be happy to share more ideas soon.

 

[kikaru]

So would you like me to add you to the support list or not, Kikaru? ^^

Could've sworn I said yes several months ago but apparently not. Throw me on that list.

 

[Pazzo.]

TopHattedTroopa, I love your moveset!

Well, let's keep the fans active!

ASSIST TROPHIES APPROACHING!

Soon.

 

[Pazzo.]

TopHattedTroopa, I love your moveset!

Well, let's keep the fans active!

ASSIST TROPHIES APPROACHING!

Soon.

 

[Deleted member]

TopHattedTroopa, I love your moveset!

Well, let's keep the fans active!

ASSIST TROPHIES APPROACHING!

Soon.

Thank you, MaskO'Gears!

Haha, indeed.

And you seem to have double posted.

 

[Pazzo.]

Thank you, MaskO'Gears!

Haha, indeed.

And you seem to have double posted.

It's a curse. Anyway, here's a few new ideas....

Arianna Barde - Walks into the stage with Ocari- I mean Specter's Flue in hand, and plays the tune. The Specter then appears and begins to attack the fighters with it's claws.

Black Raven - The Black Raven Laughs, then starts running across the screen, damaging and confusing players. Like Weevil, just slower and it chases players.

Anton Herzen - Anton slashes with his sword several times, then after a short amount of time, disappears. The slashes are powerful, but few.

Granny Riddleton - Ol' Miss. Riddleton appears, snickers, then makes her puzzle hut appear. She then starts to call all the lost puzzles, which start from the outer screen, and work their way in to the hut, damaging players along the way.

 

[Deleted member]

It's a curse. Anyway, here's a few new ideas....

Arianna Barde - Walks into the stage with Ocari- I mean Specter's Flue in hand, and plays the tune. The Specter then appears and begins to attack the fighters with it's claws.

Black Raven - The Black Raven Laughs, then starts running across the screen, damaging and confusing players. Like Weevil, just slower and it chases players.

Anton Herzen - Anton slashes with his sword several times, then after a short amount of time, disappears. The slashes are powerful, but few.

Granny Riddleton - Ol' Miss. Riddleton appears, snickers, then makes her puzzle hut appear. She then starts to call all the lost puzzles, which start from the outer screen, and work their way in to the hut, damaging players along the way.

Hmm, interesting ideas; though I don't feel the characters (aside from possibly Riddleton) are important enough to surpass the likes of Luke or Flora. Oh well, here are mine;

Jean Descole: He calls in the Master Spectre (his spider robot) and starts attacking the opposing players via it's extending arms/legs.

Clive: He calls in the Mobile Fortress and starts attempting to crush the opposing players.

Dimitri Allen: He appears on screen disguised as Future Layton, then throws off the disguise and has the Family assault enemy players.

The Masked Gentleman: He appears and performs his petrification miracle, paralysing all enemy players.

 

[Pazzo.]

Hmm, interesting ideas; though I don't feel the characters (aside from possibly Riddleton) are important enough to surpass the likes of Luke or Flora. Oh well, here are mine;

Jean Descole: He calls in the Master Spectre (his spider robot) and starts attacking the opposing players via it's extending arms/legs.

Clive: He calls in the Mobile Fortress and starts attempting to crush the opposing players.

Dimitri Allen: He appears on screen disguised as Future Layton, then throws off the disguise and has the Family assault enemy players.

The Masked Gentleman: He appears and performs his petrification miracle, paralysing all enemy players.

The only problem with Dimitri and Clive is... Spoilers. Anyway, I agree. Those Characters are not that important, but I just wanted to do it for fun.

 

[Deleted member]

The only problem with Dimitri and Clive is... Spoilers. Anyway, I agree. Those Characters are not that important, but I just wanted to do it for fun.

So would Anton, and you could even argue that Don Paolo or Descole would be.

 

[Pazzo.]

So would Anton, and you could even argue that Don Paolo or Descole would be.

True... But Anton was one of those "One time" Villains. Still waiting for a cameo from a future game. BTW, Loved the Plot twist in DB.

 

[Deleted member]

True... But Anton was one of those "One time" Villains. Still waiting for a cameo from a future game. BTW, Loved the Plot twist in DB.

So were Dimitri and Clive; and Anton makes a cameo in a hidden puzzle in Unwound Future.
Honestly, I love the plot twists in all of the games. (The only one I really have a problem with is the "Future Layton is actually Dimitri" twist, but it's not the plot twist itself, just how early it was done)

 

[Pazzo.]

So were Dimitri and Clive; and Anton makes a cameo in a hidden puzzle in Unwound Future.
Honestly, I love the plot twists in all of the games. (The only one I really have a problem with is the "Future Layton is actually Dimitri" twist, but it's not the plot twist itself, just how early it was done)

Yup. I agree, most of the plot twists are fun, but I was disappointing by LS's. I kinda liked the strange, erratic nature of it. Maybe it reminded me of Majora, I don't know!

 

[Oracle_Summon]

The only thing I see holding back Professor Layton are two things:

1) What is his priority in the 3rd Party List? If we are not getting much 3rd party characters his chances might shrink if Sakurai decides we only get 3-4 representives (Including Megaman).

2) Time constraints would not help Professor Layton or any other characters. Being new to the series would mean designing new movesets, which is not a problem, but very time consuming.

 

[Deleted member]

Yup. I agree, most of the plot twists are fun, but I was disappointing by LS's. I kinda liked the strange, erratic nature of it. Maybe it reminded me of Majora, I don't know!

Eh, I thought Last Spectre's was alright; even if it introduced Descole, who I can't stand to this day.

 

[Pazzo.]

Eh, I thought Last Spectre's was alright; even if it introduced Descole, who I can't stand to this day.

You can't stand Descole?!?!? What blasphemy do you speak! No, how come you don't like him?

 

[Deleted member]

You can't stand Descole?!?!? What blasphemy do you speak! No, how come you don't like him?

Do let me see; he has locked Doland and Brenda in a cellar for half a year, disguised himself as Doland, using the guise to ruin Luke's relationship with his father, attacked Misthallery with the Spectre, built the Detragan, throws a fit when things don't go his way, attempted to kill both Luke and Janice/Melina with a drill, tried to kill Layton in an unfair sword fight (seriously, Descole has a sword, Layton has a bloody lead pipe), manipulated Randall into becoming the Masked Gentleman, attempted to take on Targent all by himself (showing how arrogant he is), and had to get rescued by his butler when Bronev kicked him to the curb; all while acting like a p****, completely ripping off Don Paolo, and looks like a reject from a Phantom of the Opera production. Is that enough?

 

[Pazzo.]

Do let me see; he has locked Doland and Brenda in a cellar for half a year, disguised himself as Doland, using the guise to ruin Luke's relationship with his father, attacked Misthallery with the Spectre, built the Detragan, throws a fit when things don't go his way, attempted to kill both Luke and Janice/Melina with a drill, tried to kill Layton in an unfair sword fight (seriously, Descole has a sword, Layton has a bloody lead pipe), manipulated Randall into becoming the Masked Gentleman, attempted to take on Targent all by himself (showing how arrogant he is), and had to get rescued by his butler when Bronev kicked him to the curb; all while acting like a prick, completely ripping off Don Paolo, and looks like a reject from a Phantom of the Opera. Is that enough?

I meant as a villain... but your right, he's a terrible guy. But, in the end, a better villain than Don Paolo.

 

[Deleted member]

I meant as a villain... but your right, he's a terrible guy. But, in the end, a better villain than Don Paolo.

He may be a better villain, but he's extremely hateable as a character. Don Paolo and every other Layton villain may be bad, but at least they openly display humanity at points and are shown not to be heartless (heck, Dimitri's actually opposed to murder); Descole has shown nothing of the sort.