The Princess Elincia Support Thread

[xianfeng]

Well I think it's stupid when people try to use that against a character, look at Falcon, Falco and Fox before their Smash Brothers (or Melee in Falco's case) debuts they had never even left their vehicles, hell SSB is still the only place where Falcon has left his vehicle.

 

[Hong]

Well I think it's stupid when people try to use that against a character, look at Falcon, Falco and Fox before their Smash Brothers (or Melee in Falco's case) debuts they had never even left their vehicles, hell SSB is still the only place where Falcon has left his vehicle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YJw0_hVtiw
xD This is considered canon, but yeah.

Rakath isn't using it against Elincia, but rather in favour of Mist. He's just saying Mist would take the least modification. I understand him, but every character in Fire Emblem is completely distorted in SSB from ground up so it's kind of irrelevant.

 

[Rakath]

Thanks Lunadis, that's pretty much where I stand on it. At a choice between Elincia and Mist, I'd go with Mist. Mist is easier to make the changes to (all her prepromotion attack animations can at least be considered for moves for her in Brawl). However Elincia has plot importance to go for her, she's the more likely character, but not who I'd pick.

But my arguement is pretty much the same as "Sigurd with a Lance moveset" if you wanna have a Lance weilding lord, I don't care who likes Sigurd, Ephraim exists.

 

[Hong]

Thanks Lunadis, that's pretty much where I stand on it. At a choice between Elincia and Mist, I'd go with Mist. Mist is easier to make the changes to (all her prepromotion attack animations can at least be considered for moves for her in Brawl). However Elincia has plot importance to go for her, she's the more likely character, but not who I'd pick.

But my arguement is pretty much the same as "Sigurd with a Lance moveset" if you wanna have a Lance weilding lord, I don't care who likes Sigurd, Ephraim exists.

Hehe. I agree with the Ephraim thing. It's not whether I like Ephraim or not, it's just that he looks so much better with a spear and it's his main weapon.

But the thing with Mist is none of her sword attack animations are special. You could also implement the fact Elincia rode a pegasi by making her good in the air. Or you can have her do that cool flying strike that Pegasus Knights do as her recovery. I mean, in Fire Emblem it would look wierd if Elincia flew at the enemy and struck them, but this is Smash Brothers! We have space animals spontaneously combusting and launching their burning carcasses at a trained cutthroat assassin wielding a parasol of all weapons. It doesn't need to make sense! xD

Since Mist's attacks are stale in terms of a game like Super Smash Brothers, if they were to take direct inspiration from Fire Emblem they would take it from other units. I thought this far ahead when I proposed the idea of having Elincia's recovery resembling the Swordmaster's critical when connecting.

 

[Hong]

Elincia has better chances then some may think.

To my knowledge, Sakurai will aim for Fire Emblem characters who are known world wide or have enough merit. By merit, I mean having either a lot of popularity or an important claim. Marth for example, being the first lord and very popular. Characters like Lucas made it in for being popular but he's from another series so that doesn't matter.

It leaves us with Fire Emblem 7 and beyond (Since I really doubt Roy will return despite his melee appearance). GBA Fire Emblem games aren't exactly the crowd favourite either, so it's hard to imagine a character from there making an appearance unless they offer a quality Sakurai wants (such as Ephraim for a spear wielder). FE 9 and 10 have had good reception and have modern characters everyone can recognize. I can only imagine Marth and important characters from FE9 or 10 appearing. Sigurd (despite being in FE4 which is Japan exclusive) could appear, but he doesn't really offer anything interesting.

Anyways, to my knowledge Ike, Mist, Elincia, Micaiah and Marth (discluding Sanaki for a reason) are the only options. There is Black Knight, but Ike hurt his chances greatly. Ike is in and Marth is very likely. While Micaiah is more popular than Elincia, Elincia has more screentime counting boths games. Though Micaiah will probably get in for offering something more unique and to be more pleasing to the fans. The point is Elincia's chances are higher than some people give her credit for, though for all we know we could just be getting two Fire Emblem representitives. :/

 

[Rakath]

My ranking for Likelyhood in Brawl from FE:

Marth
Micaiah
Elincia or Mist (about the same chances, they do exclude each other as they'd be pretty similar).
Mia, Soren, or Black Knight (all 3 are decently important in 9/10, Sakurai listed, however each is outclassed by Elincia/Mist, Micaiah, and Ike respectively)
The FE1-6 characters on Sakurai's list (Not as new, not as known)
Hector or Ephraim (Lyn and Eirika would go here, but Eirika is outclassed by Elincia and Mist)
Someone else from FE1-6 (The lack of stateside hurts them all).

The GBA Emblem games weren't unloved, just 8. 7 was Decently loved (and has the English points), and 6 sold well but wasn't as loved (ROY SUCKS IN 6).

 

[Hong]

xD Roy does suck. At least until he gets his godmode Sword of Seals. If he could nuke people at a range in Melee, he'd be awesome.

 

[xianfeng]

No it goes more like this

Marth
Micaiah
Sigurd
Black Knight
Roy
Elincia
Celice
Others.

 

[Rakath]

xianfeng: Let's look at my post again, the first word in it to be specific...

My[...]

Now, the word "My" indicates opinion. So a statement of 'no' to 'my opinion' is wrong. You may have your own opinion, but it does not override mine, as your name isn't Sakurai. ^_^

Now, by all means, you are entitled to your opinion. However do not think your entitlement to an opinion allows you to state my opinion isn't worth anything, even if it was a slight slip of the keyboard.

I rightly don't see Sigurd getting in, even with two votes on Sakurai's list, just because him + Marth + Ike makes Fire Emblem look very... similar. Hence his placement on my list.

 

[Darkpaladin of Chaos]

I rightly don't see Sigurd getting in, even with two votes on Sakurai's list, just because him + Marth + Ike makes Fire Emblem look very... similar. Hence his placement on my list.

Yea, all that blue hair... That's why we need a female and of course, Black Knight.

Too bad I don't know much about them. I'd be able to better formulate an opinion on which female is better for the game.

 

[Cindermomo]

Bump, great thread

 

[Rakath]

Darkpaladin of Chaos: Go play FE9, nao, or I'll never forgive you and start being a proponent for Ridley as Boss and Dark Samus as costume! /endemptythreat

 

[Darkpaladin of Chaos]

Darkpaladin of Chaos: Go play FE9, nao, or I'll never forgive you and start being a proponent for Ridley as Boss and Dark Samus as costume! /endemptythreat

*gasp*

Haha, threatening to give me a warning 'elsewhere' would be more effective. And fret not, that is a game I've been planning to get. That is the one with Ike, right?

 

[Rakath]

*gasp*

Haha, threatening to give me a warning 'elsewhere' would be more effective. And fret not, that is a game I've been planning to get. That is the one with Ike, right?

You know I'm too goody goody to abuse my powers there... that much...

Ike is in 9 and 10, 9 English also has a pretty good set of internal help to let newbies learn the game. Also Ike is a Lord that doesn't have horrible dying problems like The twins in 8, and Eliwood in 7, and Roy in 6...

But it simply if you wanna play with limited Resets, 9 is a good place to start, but its usually best to not kill your party. ^_^

 

[Hong]

Fire Emblem, on whom does the morning sun shine
As she climbs over the edge of battle?

omg it sed she elinseeah konfirmed!!1111

Spoiler

I wouldn't be suprised if someone was actually dumb enough to say that. >.>

 

[Rakath]

Lunadis, that joke would make more technical sense in the Micaiah thread, Priestess of Dawn (Dawn, you know, the time where the morning sun shines) and all that...

 

[Hong]

Lunadis, that joke would make more technical sense in the Micaiah thread, Priestess of Dawn (Dawn, you know, the time where the morning sun shines) and all that...

I was going to post it in that thread, but I had already said something serious prior to. xP

 

[NukeA6]

xianfeng: Let's look at my post again, the first word in it to be specific...



Now, the word "My" indicates opinion. So a statement of 'no' to 'my opinion' is wrong. You may have your own opinion, but it does not override mine, as your name isn't Sakurai. ^_^

Now, by all means, you are entitled to your opinion. However do not think your entitlement to an opinion allows you to state my opinion isn't worth anything, even if it was a slight slip of the keyboard.

I rightly don't see Sigurd getting in, even with two votes on Sakurai's list, just because him + Marth + Ike makes Fire Emblem look very... similar. Hence his placement on my list.

It is your opinion that FE8 was the only despised FE game but the truth is that the all 3 GBA FEs are despised in Japan. FE6 just had more sales then FE7 and 8.

You say you can't see Sigurd in Brawl but you fail to realize that Ephraim has an ever lower chance of being playable.

 

[Hong]

Aww. I take it Hejiru didn't like my move suggestions. T T

Anyways, with my horrible photoshopping talents, I have made an "Elincia for Brawl" sig. xD

 

[xianfeng]

Now, the word "My" indicates opinion. So a statement of 'no' to 'my opinion' is wrong. You may have your own opinion, but it does not override mine, as your name isn't Sakurai. ^_^

I didn't see the word my I just saw an incredibly innacurate list.

I rightly don't see Sigurd getting in, even with two votes on Sakurai's list, just because him + Marth + Ike makes Fire Emblem look very... similar. Hence his placement on my list.

Let's ignore the fact that he's the most popular lord in Fire Emblem History and his game is being ported to the VC in English then shall we? Also the fact that he was intended for Melee.

 

[raphtmarqui]

I hope they are considering Sigurd
Hes my second favorite FE character
Plus he looks bada$$

 

[Chidosengan]

I didn't see the word my I just saw an incredibly innacurate list.


Let's ignore the fact that he's the most popular lord in Fire Emblem History and his game is being ported to the VC in English then shall we? Also the fact that he was intended for Melee.

It's being ported??!! When? Where did you heard this??!

TELL ME!!

 

[Rakath]

NukeA6: Sigurd won't get in with a Lance moveset over Ephraim. Which is what I said. And Sigurd with a Sword moveset, with Ike and a Sword moveset, and Marth with a Sword moveset. Would be silly, The three are not all getting in, two yes, but not all three. Especially with other 'not FE Sword Lord' options out there.

Let's ignore the fact that he's the most popular lord in Fire Emblem History and his game is being ported to the VC in English then shall we? Also the fact that he was intended for Melee.

Then he gets in over Marth's dead body. The Sigurd outfit on Ike doesn't help Sigurd's case any either.

 

[Hong]

Yeah. To my knowledge, it's either Marth or Sigurd. As much respect as I have for both, I also have respect for Super Smash Brothers. Putting in three swordsmen from Fire Emblem is an insult. Even two bothers me but then I get attacked by blood lusted fan boys so I don't bother with that. Ike and Marth is quite enough.

 

[Chidosengan]

Elincia in RD:

 

[Tlaloc]

Well I think she might be a better choice than Micaiah.

 

[Hong]

Well I think she might be a better choice than Micaiah.

I agree, though I also acknowledge we are a minority so I'm not getting my hopes up. If Micaiah is confirmed for Brawl, I'd be quite happy. If Elincia is confirmed for Brawl, I will be happy to the point where I'm speechless! xP I also like that while Sakurai considers popularity an important factor, he also gives characters he likes second seat. So it's possible.

 

[Chaosblade77]

I also would rather see Elincia over Micaiah, although I doubt it would happen. I just feel she would be more playable.

She is probably my favorite [realistic] choice for a third FE rep, after Ike and Marth (Nephenee > Most, but has no chance).

 

[Rakath]

Way I see it (listing the sense-making ideas and the listed ones that I know something about):

Elincia and Mist
+ Female character
+ Unique Weapon set (Staves aspect, not Swords)
+ Relevant and recent game
- More freakin' sword users
- While plot important characters, not actually the main lords
- Popularity in question
- Both are technically Mounted units, Mist less so than Elincia

Micaiah, Sanaki, and Soren
+ (M and Sa) Female
+ Magic users, nothing like the swordsmen we already have and assume
+ (M and Sa) Main characters
- (Sa and So) Not actually main lords
- Soren is only somewhat plot important

Black Knight
+ Bad@$$
+ Plot important
+ Villainy
- Sword user
- He'd have to be SLOWER and STRONGER than Ike to be correct, that'd be tough to do

Mia and the other Swordmasters people want
+ One of the most favored classes
+ Mia is recent and somehow on Sakurai's list
+ Definitly not like Ike or the other Lordling sword weilders
- Still a Sword user
- In no way important to the plot

The Axe twins from FE1
+ Axes aren't swords
+ One spot for two characters if done right
- Not really plot important

Sheeda
+ Romantic interest for Marth, Peach to his Mario and what not
+ Female character, decently plot important
+ FE1 is being remade
- SWORD USER

Sigurd
+ Popular
+ Plot important... sorta
- He's not actually the main lord
- Marth + Ike + Sigurd = Too many blue haired sword weilding lords in one game, totally skewing the reps for FE to one side.
- Again, Sword user...

Personally, save for the Axe Twins and Sigurd, I'd be fine with any of the others in Brawl. If I had to organize them into an order of personal preference:

1. Mia/Wayu
2. Mist or Micaiah
4. Black Knight
5. Elincia or Sheeda
7. Sanaki or Soren/Senerio

 

[NukeA6]

NukeA6: Sigurd won't get in with a Lance moveset over Ephraim. Which is what I said. And Sigurd with a Sword moveset, with Ike and a Sword moveset, and Marth with a Sword moveset. Would be silly, The three are not all getting in, two yes, but not all three. Especially with other 'not FE Sword Lord' options out there.

Just a lance moveset won't work but with a sword it will. And don't say it's awkward. Look at Hilde in Soul Caibur 4.

Elincia in RD:

Hard to imagine she's just a supporting character. She looks more of a lord than Micaiah. Still, the silver-haired mage should come before her but I could care less if it's the other way around (Elincia can use light magic, right?).

 

[y3nia659]

I really want to play as her in Brawl and Im just wishing she is T_T Fire Emblem needs a female representative

 

[Biggie Smalls]

 

[Hong]

To those who are still on the idea that Elincia is a supporting character really need to play Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn. Queen Elincia and the Knights of Crimea play a very important role. There is so much I want to say that I could put in spoiler tags, but you'll just have to take my word for it and try the game out yourself.

Seeing Elincia in Radiant Dawn just makes me want to see her appear even more. Stun would make for a cool ability. xP

 

[mattiator]

Go Elincia! Aside from Milanor, http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=127211, Elincia is one of my top choices. I think this is one of the better FE charachter ideas.