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The Potential Prospects of Cannabis Reform in America

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manhunter098

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Well there was a similar thread here a while ago, but its dead now due to inactivity so Ill revive it in a new form, dealing more or less strictly with marijuana. And considering that we just got a bunch of new recruits, I think that this thread could attact a lot of people to post here and show just how dedicated they plan to be in the debate hall, as this is a rather good issue for generating discussion.

Well I guess to start out, my stance is pro-marijuana reform. I feel that the potential benefits that can come from marijuana legalization are absolutely enormous and something that should be looked at as a way to bring America to the world stage as the worlds largest producer of both marijuana and hemp products.

So be prepared, toss your prejudices to the side and be prepared to hear me out.

A few facts to post here just to start out.


You CANNOT overdose yourself by smoking marijuana, it would take smoking pounds of the plant in order to do so and you would pass out before you could actually kill yourself.

Marijuana is rated as being roughly as addictive as caffeine, but with a weaker withdrawal and higher sense of reward after using it. So its much less a physical dependence as it is a thing people want to seek out of their own free will.

Marijuana is currently the largest cash crop in the United States.

Gateway drug theory is rather invalid in the way that it cites marijuana as an influence for using more dangerous drugs. Its more likely that the black market sales of marijuana cause people to encounter harder drugs on a more frequent basis and thus they are more willing to try them. Nothing within marijuana really drives people to seek a greater high.

The growing of hemp, which has the potential to pretty much solve the fuel crisis, save forests, and produce an array of building materials that would enable us to make pretty much anything that isnt metal out of hemp, is currently illegal in the United States.

Drug testing that goes on right now is really only effective at finding a very limited array of drugs, chief among these drugs is marijuana. Many drugs that are much more dangerous than marijuana are out of your system within a couple of days, such as cocaine, heroin, virtually every stimulant really, along with most psychedelics (not that I think these are all bad), and numerous other drugs.

The cannabinoids in marijuana interact with the body on a level of their own. As humans we produce our own chemicals that are very chemically similar to cannabinoids (thus cannabinoids tend to have an array of effects on the human body. Right now research in the United States is very limited when it comes to anything marijuana related even though the various cannabinoids in marijuana can potentially be used to replace some of the more harmful pharmaceuticals that people take to help them with various health problems.

The Federal Government has provided medical marijuana to several patients over the last 30 years, currently only 7 of them remain alive, but without medical marijuana the number of those people surviving right now would likely be much lower than it is now.
 

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First, you need sources on all of this.

The growing of hemp, which has the potential to pretty much solve the fuel crisis, save forests, and produce an array of building materials that would enable us to make pretty much anything that isnt metal out of hemp, is currently illegal in the United States.
This needs more explanation. Are you saying that it can be used as a replacement to gasoline, made into a paper type substance, and used as a replacement for wood in buildings? I find that extremely difficult to believe.

Drug testing that goes on right now is really only effective at finding a very limited array of drugs, chief among these drugs is marijuana. Many drugs that are much more dangerous than marijuana are out of your system within a couple of days, such as cocaine, heroin, virtually every stimulant really, along with most psychedelics (not that I think these are all bad), and numerous other drugs.
Your point with this paragraph?

The cannabinoids in marijuana interact with the body on a level of their own. As humans we produce our own chemicals that are very chemically similar to cannabinoids (thus cannabinoids tend to have an array of effects on the human body. Right now research in the United States is very limited when it comes to anything marijuana related even though the various cannabinoids in marijuana can potentially be used to replace some of the more harmful pharmaceuticals that people take to help them with various health problems.
Definitely need sources on this part. Also, explain further what you mean by "cannaboids tend to have an array of effects on the human body."

The Federal Government has provided medical marijuana to several patients over the last 30 years, currently only 7 of them remain alive, but without medical marijuana the number of those people surviving right now would likely be much lower than it is now.
Much lower than 7? This seems like a rather ****ing statistic, but i'm sure you didn't mean it like that. Some more explanation here please.
 

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http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/05/060526083353.htm
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8246462
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312132,00.html

Those sources show how marijuana could be potentially helpful and how it is be healthier than Tobacco.

Now then, the other advantages. There are giant amounts of Marijuana related arrests in the US (http://blog.norml.org/2008/09/15/872721-marijuana-arrests-in-2007-up-52-from-2006/). If we were to make Marijuana legal, not only would we have a lot less people in jail, it would free up our police force to focus more on other things. This would save us a lot of money.

And, as another way to make it in favor of the US, they could make it only availiable through the government. The farmers sell it to the Government, and the Government proceeds to sell it, giving them a large cash influx. The netherlands marijuana industry had an income of 2.7b dollars (http://current.com/items/89422786_netherlands_cannabis_growers_yearly_net_2_7b).
 

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Not that I disagree with the rest of what you have stated, but is this bolded statement really relevant to legalizing a drug?

I don't think it should be - and in many aspects of the law on other banned substances, it clearly isn't.
 

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First, you need sources on all of this.



This needs more explanation. Are you saying that it can be used as a replacement to gasoline, made into a paper type substance, and used as a replacement for wood in buildings? I find that extremely difficult to believe.
The oil from the seeds can be used to make a fuel extremely similar to diesel, in fact the first diesel engine design wasnt intended for diesel fuel at all but rather hemp seed oil. The stalk of the plant itself can be made into an array of biodegradable plastics, made directly into paper without bleach, used for clothing that would last longer and hold color better than cotton. Hemp fibers can also be used with concrete to make it lighter while still retaining strength, its a bit more complicated than that though. But essentially hemp can replace the oil industry, paper industry, and clothing industry with a plant that has a very short grow cycle.

http://ec.europa.eu/environment/etap/pdfs/may06_hemp.pdf
http://www.hempcar.org/petvshemp.shtml


Your point with this paragraph?
Well a lot of what I am doing is throwing some facts I think are either less known or more relevant. This is one of those I thought of as a bit less known. My point is basically that we are targeting a group of people with drug tests that are not the worst of the drug users, but rather a group that can function perfectly well in society.


Definitely need sources on this part. Also, explain further what you mean by "cannaboids tend to have an array of effects on the human body."
Well cannabinoids function similarly to neurotransmitters. But essentially there are so many we dont even have documentation of everything they do, longer term studies indicate that marijuana isnt incredibly harmful, but when I say that cannabinoids have an array of effects I mean that they can do everything from improve cardiovascular health by reducing arterial plaque to reducing your risk for cancer because some cannabinoids help prevent the spread of cancer, allowing your body to take care of the cancer on its own more effectively.

Here is an article that talks about the effects of cannabinoids on inflammation and the nervous system.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17350694?dopt=AbstractPlus

Essentially I am saying that manipulation of the endocannabinoid system has a lot of potential medical applications and that marijuana legalization could do wonders for human health in the way of research into this field.



Much lower than 7? This seems like a rather ****ing statistic, but i'm sure you didn't mean it like that. Some more explanation here please.
Well I guess this statement isnt too well informed. I do know that one of the patients has had cancer in his bones for the past 30 years, a cancer that would normally kill a person, and being on the medical marijuana program has essentially prolonged this persons life greatly (he still has the cancer but its growth has been halted). I suppose that extrapolating this beyond just that one person was a bit of a stretch on my part, especially since at least one of the patients was not threatened by death but rather blindness as they had glaucoma.


Here is an article on it, it doesnt contain a lot of information, but I still think its useful.
http://cannabisnews.com/news/20/thread20817.shtml


To go onto a little bit of what Skyler said, not only would legalizing marijuana save the government money, but it creates potential tax revenue and the people who are no longer being put in prison can actually continue to contribute to society, creating even more revenue.
 

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What he's saying is "tobacco legalization has done no harm for our society, why should marijuana."

Personally, I think it should be legalized because I don't think it's a business of the state. It's unhealthy, but so is not exercising and eating fast food. Should we ban that for the same reason?
 

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Passing pro-marijuana legislation could have positive effects even for people who never touch it. The government needs only to legalize marijuana and other cannabis-derived substances, and then tax the hell out of it. It wouldn't solve our budget deficit, but it would certainly be another very rewarding source of revenue.

In 2006 the entire U.S. received $14,000,000,000 in taxes from tobacco (source: http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=403) and if marijuana could come even anywhere close--even less than half--it could pay for thousands of state projects from libraries to road maintenance.
 

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I think you added an extra set of zeros there. But yes, marijuana could likely raise as much tax money as tobacco. It is the largest cash crop in the US right now, even if that is because its illegal and thus worth more, but if prices are lowered just a bit below the black market levels (by keeping them high with taxes), and cannabis is grown commercially, I would think that the amount of revenue the government could make would be phenomenal. Not to mention being one of the first nations to actually allow a commercialized marijuana market would, with the rest of the world likely to follow suit in due time, do wonders for the trade deficit. Though if another country beats us to the punch we could be left in the dust.

This also has the potential to do a lot of other things like revolutionize medicine since the negative effects of cannabis are extremely mild compared to many drugs and it is so inexpensive to produce, it could become a drug much like aspirin or asthma medicine (not smoked for this effect), not to mention the many other areas it could fill that we havent even discovered yet. There really is a reason why extracts of cannabis were frequently used before the rise of the many synthetic and harder to obtain drugs that we have now. It was effective, cheap, and safe.
 

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Gateway drug theory is rather invalid in the way that it cites marijuana as an influence for using more dangerous drugs. Its more likely that the black market sales of marijuana cause people to encounter harder drugs on a more frequent basis and thus they are more willing to try them. Nothing within marijuana really drives people to seek a greater high.
Not only that if we were really concerned with Gateway Drug abuse we would ban Cigarettes too, to often do people get introduced to drugs VIA Cigarettes.

But as for legalization I'm for it it would help clear out prisons of those non-violent drug offenders who have to serve a Mandatory Minimum sentence. Leaving lots and lots of room open for criminals who need to be locked up.

I sense this debate could go into a debate on "The War on Drugs."
 

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Well I think of it as painfully clear that locking up non-violent drug offenders is not the way to solve the drug problem (hell sending them to prison will likely just expose them to MORE drugs), regardless of the drug really. And there are some other drugs that are safe enough for the most part to be grouped with marijuana as desperately in need of reform when it comes to the laws, but thats a small group and doesnt stand to benefit us nearly as much as marijuana, so I would like to keep the discussion to just that. As for the harder drugs, outright legalization is not likely the way to go, but the distinction being made here is that marijuana has many other potential benefits when it comes to legalization, other drugs dont have quite the degree of urgency involved when it comes to finding the proper way to regulate them, especially since with at least one more legal high to add to the industry, it might even turn some people away from harder drugs.


I wouldnt say that cigarettes can be called a gateway drug at all. There is some merit to calling marijuana a gateway drug, but that status is only really the case because people are exposed to other drugs by their dealers who often will carry harder drugs, especially in rougher neighborhoods. Essentially marijuana would become no more a gateway drug than tobacco if it were to be legalized and regulated.

I would however say that alcohol is probably the only drug I can think of that can more or less directly lead you to trying a harder substance, all that stuff about lowering your inhibitions and hurting your judgment, now just apply that to a nice little bag of cocaine. Though even then I dont think its that big of a contribution. Really society is the most likely culprit when it comes to people trying out hard drugs, soft drugs, any drugs, hell even obesity. Society is a powerful force.
 
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