The "Pichu is serious business" discussion thread.

[KingClubber]

Yeah F-air does suck. Only use it as you pass by or on linear recoveries for gimps as it's good for dragging people down.

 

[DerfMidWest]

I sometimes use it to stop fox/falco's sideB, but you can use nair to do that too...
sometimes I just use it because I want it to be a good move.

 

[Bing]

If Fox or Falco are using side-b onto the stage, you much better options than fair or nair, if its to guard the ledge, nair.

 

[DerfMidWest]

I'm aware... I usually nair.
fair just looks cool sometimes
Its such a shame that we can't use it more.

 

[Bing]

why.. if you want to use fair more... main Pikachu XD Atleast that as some combo potential...

 

[DerfMidWest]

nah pika is fat.

 

[Bing]

I know right? I would main Pikachu if It looked like Brawl Pika XD

 

[100 proof%]

Hey guess how bad I am, ahhhhhh so bad that http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsUXAEzaC3Q&nomobile=1

No sir pichu=pika as far as fair stun just pichu has a much faster L-cancel and dair is a funny anti cc move that can set up smashes(thunder combo)

Wish You could get how I go ahhhhh.

Also at unknown i'm still amazed anyone took out match serious we were both sandbagging xD

 

[DerfMidWest]

Pichu's fair is still bad.
And yes, dair is funny on people who think pichu can just be CCed (there are a lot of those people out there)

 

[Brookman]

congrats for hitting page two everybody, good job.

Does anyone have frame data for optimized Fair stun??

 

[100 proof%]

Seeing how it has set knockback and its base off of weight and stuff it would be most useful vs dittos. However even with training modes added one frame extra stun still can't really stun with it like dair shines.

I'll be able to give You solid frame data like in half a week. But really fair is a gimick like fair-> smash at high percents hoping they quit ccing. Or to fair to beat out moves like knee, falcon's nair, and other non disjointed moves.

No dair's 2nd hit will like jab reset them.



Like so far I can't feel my arms my smash is like rwallly good. Just know i'm going to be the best I have to bw I can't acept a life without not just smash I have a simple face that is hiding a lot of aggggggg under my eyes

 

[unknown522]

It's all about getting the 2 hits with d-air -> grab.

Also the second hit sometimes shield pokes cuz of how low it hits. Then you can mix up and either go for a grab, or run behind them if you think that they will try to grab immediately.

And other things, but I don't think it'll work well for other people

 

[100 proof%]

Dair can be used on sheilds and yeah any move is safe on a sheild as long as it pokes. I'm thinking one would only wanta dair like a ffer (for the grab) with a bad sheild. Plus they should be pushed back far enough from it to avoid shines. Seems like gimick in many respects due to it barely comboing into a jab. Spotting dodging is a bit safer/faster than runnig back.

I pretend that whenever i approach/attack that they are sheilding and ccing at all times. And I pretned that frame perfect counters will be there next. Why I try to stick to a rushdown with nairs and spaced d-tilts and just keep trying to bait them into attacking to soon/late.

Name should've been huuuuuunnnnngggg oovvvveeeerrrr xD

Sh upair and be wavelanded so what if I did a nair cross up, sh upair and use that first hit of the dair to sheild poke or whatever?

 

[DerfMidWest]

I don't like Dair on shield. I'm worried it will get punished too easily.
and not all moves are safe (namely fair).

also, why does bair seem to be easier to ledge cancel than nair?

 

[100 proof%]

Because it's just You, when I first started trying ledge cancels I would swear up and down ness's were the easiest. Really the only real factors are air speed(adjusting easier) and slidiness.

I said all moves are safe on sheild IF they poke dair's 2nd hit could be good for it after a nair cross up to sh upair dair(2nd hit). I'll try it out soon enough and give details back. All I know is the 2nd hit can close out before the 1st so hopefully it might hit in those first 1-3 frames.



Fair is a gimick combo but is kindof cool.

Sh upair dair is pretty neat but pity it doesn't autocancel the frist few frames it would be amazing.

 

[Bing]

AesirGOD and Nicknyte are tied for worlds best Pichu's according to the elo ratings...


I should main Pichu and garuntee myself 5th best Pichu...

 

[100 proof%]

Who cares about who's better when no has anything worth showing? Can else get anywhere in a decent tournment?

Really most people have a self trolling Pichu. Like only half serious with pichu and wasting their own time.

Could try hard.

 

[Bing]

Unknown522 made it all the way through losers bracket to losers semis at STYC 2 with Pichu.(He then went Falco and made gfs)

Self troll right?

 

[100 proof%]

most

But seriously how many pichu did ________?

Idk a lot more be done tough love.


Also I thought he used falco most of it and really who he beat has higher value like say he beat someone like s2j with pichu but only got like 10th place that's way bigger.

 

[Bing]

KDJ has one of the higher ko amounts in the bowser challenge...

Nicknyte is pretty legit lol

But yes Most... but most is a pretty ****ty term to use considering there are only like 10 Pichu's total...

 

[100 proof%]

Not really there are few mains but You'd be surprised by the raw number of people with a pocket pichu. Just like no one really brings stuff to the table.

Also both of the players were pocket pichu players.

Really don't even care to add to the non productive talk so if You want do aim/sykpe pm

 

[Brookman]

Slowly but surely my Pichu is being artfully sculpted into a KILLING MACHINE.

 

[Bing]

RAWR **** **** UP BROOKMAN.


I only use my Pichu in Dittos vs Unknown. lol

Oh and in a friendly against a Peach.

 

[Brookman]

It's hard not to yield to his inability to . . . win. Yet I tenaciously persevere in the face of obscurity.

 

[Bing]

Yeah I know.. he's bad... oh so bad...

 

[DerfMidWest]

yo what is going on here.
so much not friendliness.
Pichu is hard to use, so most people don't use him seriously.
its the same for most low tiers.
as of late, I've found myself going fox more in serious matches than Pichu.
i love the little rat to death, but he's not easy to win with.

 

[Bing]

Yeah thats why he's a low tier XD

Takes a lot more to become effective with Pichu

Going Fox is always a safe bet.

 

[unknown522]

yo what is going on here.
so much not friendliness.
Pichu is hard to use, so most people don't use him seriously.
its the same for most low tiers.
as of late, I've found myself going fox more in serious matches than Pichu.
i love the little rat to death, but he's not easy to win with.

Woah woah woah. Pichu is one of the easiest characters to use. He's just bad

 

[Ministry]

Woah woah woah. Pichu is one of the easiest characters to use. He's just bad

indeed.

10char

 

[crush]

how do yalll feel about the samus matchup?

 

[Bing]

.... **** samus..

 

[Brookman]

pichu is absolutely one of the more technically demanding characters. he is in no way easy and may or may not be "bad"

I'm still terrible with his recovery and am regularly SD'ing in matches to attempt to remedy this ;d

 

[Bing]

I went into training mode, set a fox to about 700hp and death combo'd him for over an hour to work on my angles. Was a ton of fun (I did it with Pikachu)

 

[DerfMidWest]

I didn't say pichu was hard to use.
I said he was hard to win with.

 

[Bing]

yo what is going on here.
so much not friendliness.
Pichu is hard to use, so most people don't use him seriously.
its the same for most low tiers.
as of late, I've found myself going fox more in serious matches than Pichu.
i love the little rat to death, but he's not easy to win with.

Bolded so it stands out.

 

[DerfMidWest]

oh I guess I did say that then.
what I meant was that he was hard to win with, sorry if that was unclear.

 

[Bing]

Pichu is hard to win with at higher levels. Hense why he's the worst character in the game XD

 

[odinNJ]

I think its hard to quantify difficulty of use because most characters play differently. But I think he meant hard to use WELL

love pichu, so fun to use

 

[Brookman]

Pichu requires a stupid amount of precision. And even with perfect precision he is still completely out-classed in terms of scale (size) and this results in stupid **** happening.

 

[Bing]

He also requires that you don't get hit with any potentially koing moves