The perfect Falco counter-pick stage...it's not what you think....

[Linguini]

Recently ive come to realize that final destination is the best counter-pick stage vs. falco.
Yes, it might sound crazy, I bet you were expecting rainbow cruise or brinstar, but no final d.
Ive disscused this with several experienced players and they agree,(Tipman also started picking this stage against falco before he quit).
By playing very good falco's(lambchops for example) ive come to release the untapped potential of this stage as a counter-pick.The space in this stage makes it perfect for tech-chasing unlimitedly and early ko's
Opinions? What do fellow ganon players think?

 

[O D I N]

My problem with Final D lies in this against Falco's.

While there is lots of space, there are no platforms to "hide" on from those **** laser blasts.

But I do agree. You get Falco off early enough, he has a rough time coming back.

It's a good flat stage, that's nice and big to do your techs, and wavelands, etc.

 

[petre]

i suppose its cool, leaves it open for chainthrowing too...the only negative is the lasers, but that usually isnt a problem for me, i have a pretty offensive ganon. guess ill try FD more.

 

[O D I N]

My biggest problem is the lasers though.

Tips?

 

[Linguini]

Alright, what you want to do is become at least 30% accurate with your timing in powersheilding. Powersheilding intimidates the falco, thereofre he lasers less. Secondly you want to be able to get over the lasers, such as attacks like the dair.

 

[takieddine]

I agree..

Lasers arent gonna kill you, and at 2% a piece, theyre not that bad. plus, killing ganon (or at least knocking him off the stage) for falco isnt the easiest thing.

Ganon can play the chase game after falco, and outspace his aerials, with a couple hits for a KO...

 

[linkmastersword]

umm, try rolling through the first laser or two, then do a full jump over the other laser, and then dj to bair, or ffuair. this generally works. also, if he approahes with lasers, try and get a ftilt off when he lands in front of you. ganon's uthrow has a bunch of uses too against falco.

 

[O D I N]

Thanks for the tips guys. I'll give that a try. My one friend plays a vicious Falco, and spams the lasers like it's his freaking job.

 

[Dr. Hyde]

Thanks for the tips guys. I'll give that a try. My one friend plays a vicious Falco, and spams the lasers like it's his freaking job.

That's because it is Falco's job. that and also get you off the stage and then Gannon has trouble. I think FD can be a good counter pick stage but if I were playing against a Falco I'd just play Jiggs. Nothing that Gannon can't kill Falco in about four hits if you get a stop but it still isn't that safe.

 

[Madlobster]

wouldn't dreamland 64 be better? it't a spacy stage with platform to hide on, and ganon cant die at that stage almost not die at least :D

 

[linkmastersword]

yeah but falco can camp really hard, and be gay about dropping Dairs on you from the top plat form.


me no like dream land vs falco

 

[Wilhelmsan]

No platforms mean you'll eat some more lasers, platforms mean you'll eat some more dairs

 

[alcheato]

Powershielding a single laser is enough to f*** up the SHL approach if you act fast enough, but I still definitely wouldn't counter-pick Final D unless I'm planning some major chain-grabbing since Falco can combo you easier than on any other stage. Besides, the counter-pick is largely dependent on what character you use. I saw Rainbow Cruise up there as counter and all I can say is are you serious, man? I'd actually counter-pick Rainbow Cruise and Poke Floats as Falco. Falco ***** on those stages with both his low % shine and vertical kills. Dreamland or Brinstar are the way to go.

 

[CaptainAwesome]

In truth, I never though Falco was that bad of a match for Ganon. I mean, yeah, he can get ***** by the lasers and dair/shine combo, but killing Falco is easy as hell.

FD isn't too bad, though. Without platforms, you can rock a nice double u-air at like 30%. But, I don't think I'd trade platforms for anything with Ganon...

 

[Giggidax]

id have to agree FD is a counterpick stage for some ganon players out there, u just have to know wat to do. against a falco, powershielding is definitely a must as well as alot of other things mentioned above.
i like to just double jump over the lasers and aerial an incoming shl falco. but a camping falco i powershielding and approach.
falcos recovery is easy to knock away with ganon. just jump out reverse uair. and if they like to sweetspot then edgehog edgehop uairs. lol! or dair the ledge if u think that ur opponent cant ledgetech, but always expect ur opponent to ledgetech. keep urself on ur toes

 

[O D I N]

In truth, I never though Falco was that bad of a match for Ganon. I mean, yeah, he can get ***** by the lasers and dair/shine combo, but killing Falco is easy as hell.

FD isn't too bad, though. Without platforms, you can rock a nice double u-air at like 30%. But, I don't think I'd trade platforms for anything with Ganon...

I think the advantage you have is that you play Falco a lot, no? Doesn't Mendoza play Falco?

The only (decent) Falco I play against, I've only beaten the guy twice, and that was against his Capn and Marth. On top of the fact being a fluke.

I dunno, maybe you and I will just have to play some more smash C.A. Point out what I'm doing wrong. Maybe next SG, or something else. I dunno.

 

[KIngGerudo]

i agree with it, i play against some falcos and they have a hard time against me on fd. i think that the best stage for ganon is dl64 just so much room for crazy ganon action

 

[Frozenserpent]

I get to play falcos all the time, and i don't think it's too bad of a matchup. Fox matchups are just frustrating, though.

 

[ancientevil11]

Ganon vs Falco on FD

i dont know about perfect counterpick stage, but to tell you the truth, i agree that FD is a great place to play against Falco. as already stated, it is really easy to tech chase him thereand there are no platforms to interrupt Ganon's attacks.

as a matter of fact, this may sound a bit od but i would actrually rather fight Falco more on FD than most other stages...

 

[chaddd]

The best Falco counter with Ganondorf, in my opinion, is Mushroom Kingdom 2. It's how I was able to beat DaShiz(1 out of 3) in pools at Insomnia 5. I've found I have a huge advantage against him on that stage because most spikes with Falco can be wall-teched, and his lasers are pointless if you stay in the center of the stage.

 

[alcheato]

The best Falco counter with Ganondorf, in my opinion, is Mushroom Kingdom 2. It's how I was able to beat DaShiz(1 out of 3) in pools at Insomnia 5. I've found I have a huge advantage against him on that stage because most spikes with Falco can be wall-teched, and his lasers are pointless if you stay in the center of the stage.

Isn't MK2 banned in most singles tournaments though? I've never seen anyone use it around here at least.

 

[O D I N]

The best Falco counter with Ganondorf, in my opinion, is Mushroom Kingdom 2. It's how I was able to beat DaShiz(1 out of 3) in pools at Insomnia 5. I've found I have a huge advantage against him on that stage because most spikes with Falco can be wall-teched, and his lasers are pointless if you stay in the center of the stage.

Isn't MK2 banned in most singles tournaments though? I've never seen anyone use it around here at least.

I concur. Both are really good points, and I could see how that could work to Ganondorf's advantage.

The only problem I see here is that I hate MK2.

 

[Linguini]

Final D defenitley works wonders with ganondorf, Ive played shiz many times, and final d seems to help because of its plenty of space for techasing, and for falco to camp you.
Campy falco's are the most fun, powersheilding FTW. Camping against ganon doesn't really work, most falco' s dont know this but if they play aggresive and dont let you breath its actually alot harder for the ganon player. Falco's usually go to final d themselves to camp so their pretty much are counter-picking for me.
It's kind of hard to explain, but hopefully soon ill put up some matches of me vs. Lambchops on FD.