The PCT Tiering Project

[Wave⁂]

Nasty Ninetails has the capability to 6-0 a team.

Nasty Plot / Fire Blast / Energy Ball / HP Electric?

 

[CRASHiC]

You'll have to ask Silent Verse what Ninetails he was running. He 6-0ed Sir Bed's team with it by the time I walked in.

 

[SilentVerse]

To be fair, Sir Bedevere was running a hail team, so Ninetales had a distinct advantage. Anyways, the set I was running was a bulky + fast Nasty Plotter (252 HP, 252 Spe, which probably would have been better as a Calm Minder, but I wanted the immediate power so eh). The set was:

Ninetales@Leftovers
Timid/Magic Guard
252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
-Nasty Plot / Calm Mind
-Fire Blast
-Energy Ball
-Moonlight / HP Electric

Basically, it was supposed to set up Nasty Plots easily thanks to Magic Guard, then proceed to sweep. Given the current EVs, it would probably work better with Calm Mind, but I think Nasty Plot is definitely still a good option if you find stacking up Calm Minds harder than Nasty Plots (maybe if powerful physical attackers keep switching in to try to KO you? idk, needs more testing). For more offense, I'd imagine a simple spread of 252 SpA and 252 Spe with Life Orb, a Timid Nature, Magic Guard, and Nasty Plot / Fire Blast / Energy Ball / HP Electric would be incredibly destructive, though it might be harder to set up.

 

[mood4food77]

you know what's wrong with that set

heatran walls it if it doesn't carry HP electric

and you know who has amazing synergy with heatran?
lilibelle

so while nintetales can coutner lilibelle, there's also heatran to worry about

wait, if this has magic gaurd and a respectable attack, why aren't we using more LO sets with it?

seriously, why do you think krilowatt is a beast on smogon's cap? magic gaurd is **** with anything that has a semblence of an offense

 

[CRASHiC]

Oh my, I forgot Magic Guard stopped Life Orb damage. Ninetails is defiantly OU material then haha. Has a large plethora of uses.

 

[mood4food77]

wowww

we're all dumb, now it's broken

 

[UltiMario]

I knew this from the very beginning, am I the only one not oblivious to this the whole time?

:/

 

[mood4food77]

yes

but at least you get ***** by staraptor

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Nintales seemingly is now too powerful. Magic Guard on a Fire-type with Nasty Plot access lololol.

Revisions are going to be fun.

 

[mood4food77]

but it only has fire stab and not too fast

we'll let it stay at first since a combo of heatran, lilibelle, and starmie is like an impenetrable wall

 

[CRASHiC]

Not too fast? Ninetails is 115, that's as fast as sweepers come.

Its still way to early to call Ninetails broken. Any pokemon that has to run a Hidden Power to keep itself from being walled out by certain pokemon is far from Uber.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

If played on correctly, Infernape can to a number to Heatran / Lilibelle / Starmie. Heatran obviously is wrecked by Close Combat, and Lilibelle probably won't take Flare Blitz too lightly and can't fire back a Will-o-Wisp, and Starmie gets U-Turned on and takes hits like a girl.

 

[mood4food77]

unless infernape is scarf, it's not beating starmie

how many napes run u-turn?

 

[UltiMario]

My ScarfNape does.

I have it on a team and everything.

 

[mood4food77]

hmmmm....

are you running straight physical or no?

 

[Terywj [태리]]

To take on Heatran / Lilibelle / Starmie it probably should be full physical with Flare Blitz / Close Combat / U-Turn / Thunderpunch.

Or something.

 

[CRASHiC]

So, what OU pokemon have been damaged by our changes?
What pokemon have been buffed by our changes?
In reguards to type potency, how have we affected type balance?
All of this based only on our knowledge now.

 

[mood4food77]

it really wouldn't matter

he 2HKOs at worse and outspeed them all, it's just making the prediction

staraptor has been buffed for sure, it now is a real threat as it 2HKOs EVERYTHING
skarmory was nerfed because lilibelle is a better physical wall while taking special hits way better

 

[Wave⁂]

skarmory was nerfed because lilibelle is a better physical wall while taking special hits way better

Skarmory: physically defensive Spiker
Lilibelle: Wall / tank

Where the **** do you get these comparisons.

 

[mood4food77]

if you need a physical wall, why use skarmory when lilibelle can take hits a lot better

both serve as annoyers as a sub role

there isn't a reason to use skarm as much as lilibelle when it's ***** by fire attacks worse than lilibelle is and can't do anything to bulky waters like lilibelle can

it can only annoy you in which lilibelle does a better job, while taking more hits

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Something to note is that Lilibelle relies on Pain Split while Skarmory has a more reliable Roost.

 

[mood4food77]

lilibelle doesn't rely on pain split in the least

subseed is far better in terms of trying to recover damage than pain split

 

[Wave⁂]

if you need a physical wall, why use skarmory when lilibelle can take hits a lot better

both serve as annoyers as a sub role

there isn't a reason to use skarm as much as lilibelle when it's ***** by fire attacks worse than lilibelle is and can't do anything to bulky waters like lilibelle can

it can only annoy you in which lilibelle does a better job, while taking more hits

****ING SPIKES GOD **** IT ARE YOU ******** EVERY ****ING TIME I TRY TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH YOU EVERY ****ING TIME l WANT TO KILL THE BOTH OF US

 

[UltiMario]

Skarmory takes Physical hits a ****load better than Lili, for one, and gets spikes.

In terms of less viable OU Pokemon, Dusknoir is getting worse and worse by the second.

 

[Wave⁂]

Dusknoir hasn't been viable in years.

 

[UltiMario]

It's even less viable that it has been in normal OU, is what I'm saying.

 

[mood4food77]

when has dusknoir been viable?

way beginning of OU?

 

[Metal~Mario]

**** Rotoms, ruining Noir.

 

[CRASHiC]

Here's a question, how do we buff ghost without buffing rotom? What kind of Pokemon would we need that could buff only a select few ghost? I'm sure if I did enough calculations I could come up with something. If would have to beat TTar, Rotom, Gengar, Glalie, and Weavile, while also losing to Dusknoir and Misdeavous.

 

[Wave⁂]

I'm not sure what you're saying, CRASHiC. You want to make a Ghost type in order to buff Dusknoir and Mismagius and nerf Tyranitar, Rotom, Gengar, Glalie, and Weavile?

 

[Sir Bedevere]

Maybe a Pokemon with Mold Breaker that hits from the special side? Earth Power is super-effective against Rotom and Gengar with Mold Breaker (it hits Mismagius too, but she has a bit of special bulk and isn't weak to it), and we could give it a special fighting attack (Aura Sphere) to do damage to TTar, Glalie, and Weavile.

We just have to not give it Dark or Ghost attacks so it doesn't wreck Missy and Noir too (Hidden Power is lol). This helps Drifblim as well.

I dunno what typing we could give it (or rather, what Pokemon we should use) to make it lose to both Noir and Missy without it losing to Rotom, cus Noir and Missy have very different movesets and Missy uses moves that are similar to Rotom's.

 

[Metal~Mario]

I dunno what typing we could give it (or rather, what Pokemon we should use) to make it lose to both Noir and Missy without it losing to Rotom, cus Noir and Missy have very different movesets and Missy uses moves that are similar to Rotom's.

Make it weak to Fighting.

Missy commonly runs HP Fighting in UU and Noir can SubPunch.

Also keep in mind that Missy can use CM or NP, so a wall that can beat +1 Rotom but not +2 Missy could work.

 

[CRASHiC]

I'm not sure what you're saying, CRASHiC. You want to make a Ghost type in order to buff Dusknoir and Mismagius and nerf Tyranitar, Rotom, Gengar, Glalie, and Weavile?

Sorry if I didn't make myself clear. What I meant is create a pokemon whose prescence in the metagame would aid Migmagius and Dusknoir, while being able to counter/revenge kill/check/threaten/whatever TTar, Rotom, Gengar, Glalie, and Weavile, and I forgot Sharpedo as well.

I like the idea of a special Mold Breaker Pokemon. That would also be a mighty blow to the Lilli/Tran synergy as well, and not gonna lie, I hate Heatran. Houndoom is the most likely candiadate. Given Earth Power and Mold Breaker, he could tear through a great deal of Pokemon, and have great synergy with Dusknoir. Of course, the Sharpedo problem would still exist, and since Dusknoir hates Pursuit users so much, having a counter isn't going to do much good if he can't get past Pursuit.

Whiscash is another contender for the spot. Using earthquake to hit Gengar and Weavile, and since he isn't weak to Sharpedo, as well as being immune to Rotom's thunderbolts, Whiscash could make a great mold breaker. Mold Breaker would give Whiscash something to separate it from the Water/Ground crowd. The only issue here is making a Pokemon a special Mold Break abuser when it has Dragon Dance.

 

[mood4food77]

we just need a mold breaker poke that beats rotom

i suggested tauros but no one loves me enough so it gets ignored

 

[CRASHiC]

No that wasn't the problem, the problem was that NU to OU became disorganized, and anything that was heavily contested I didn't let in, like my corsola that I did love so

 

[mood4food77]

at least tauros brought up 4 pages of discussion

we really need a fast mold breaker

i don't think we should try every NU poke to become OU, only a few

cause trying to bring golem into OU is going to be impossible, i think if the poke doesn't become UU at least, we should just scrap it and move on instead of this being clustered of a bunch of pokemon

 

[Wave⁂]

Yeah m4f, keep talking about it here after I moved the conversation to the appropriate thread.

 

[rockem7]

Lol fail post. Disregard.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Mence should be OU.

You're a little late on this one. We decided to keep Salamence OU a while back.

 

[rockem7]

I could have sworn I clicked Last Page but I guess I didn't. >.>