The Ninja With an Actual Scarf

[Showdow]

Showdow submitted a new guide:

The Ninja With an Actual Scarf - Advanced In-Depth guide to one of Sm4sh's top characters

Sheik is one of the top characters in smash 4, and one of my personal favorites. Playing Sheik is for those who enjoy comboing heavy characters to death, stopping approaches in their tracks, and overall edgeguarding maniacs. Although if you enjoy characters who can kill straight up, Sheik may not be for you because to kill with her your opponent has to be very high percent, you have to sweet spot up smash, or edge guard very well. Also Sheik is a girl, just to clear it up apparently some people...

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[Showdow]

Showdow updated The Ninja With an Actual Scarf with a new update entry:

0.2

Several things changed including more categories added to final info, detailed lists for which characters/stages certain techniques work on, new edge guarding tactic added to end of edge guarding section, and corrections made with minor grammar errors.

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[Showdow]

Showdow updated The Ninja With an Actual Scarf with a new update entry:

0.3

Grammar/spelling errors, overall more organized, and cut down expansive bullet point section at the end and broke it up into two new sections which have other things added as well. Explains more of what can be done out of f tilt and possibilities for grenade.

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[Showdow]

Showdow updated The Ninja With an Actual Scarf with a new update entry:

0.4

More grammar errors fixed, proofread entire doc. Added extra bullet point to end, more bits and pieces of info added to each section. Paragraphs added for easier reading, sub headers in throw section. Changes to font size.

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[Showdow]

Showdow updated The Ninja With an Actual Scarf with a new update entry:

0.5

Added percents for every move in Sheik's arsenal.

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[Showdow]

Showdow updated The Ninja With an Actual Scarf with a new update entry:

0.6

Added section at the very bottom about a jab lock option Sheik has along with other small things sprinkled in.

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[Showdow]

Showdow updated The Ninja With an Actual Scarf with a new update entry:

1.0

Each special now has its own detailed section, more added to the edgeguarding section such as which characters can be hit with dash attack and up smash and the inclusion of dair as a viable option. Also trimming down end bullet point section and distributing that to some of the new special move sections. Likely the final update unless Sheik gets nerfed hard (which all Sheik mains are dreading).

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[Jboy313]

Sheik (pronounced /ˈʃiːk/sheek)[2] is Princess Zelda disguised as a male Sheikah

Sheik is a male Character, not a female.
just because it was zelda disguised as sheik in the game, doesnt mean Sheik as a character is a girl.
in the zelda games themselves,, sheik was refereed to as a male.

 

[Simikins]

Sheik (pronounced /ˈʃiːk/sheek)[2] is Princess Zelda disguised as a male Sheikah

Sheik is a male Character, not a female.
just because it was zelda disguised as sheik in the game, doesnt mean Sheik as a character is a girl.
in the zelda games themselves,, sheik was refereed to as a male.

This has been argued about so much. Really, sheik can be looked at as either. No-one is correct! Let's not tell everyone else they're wrong when we don't know for sure we're right.

 

[WondrousMoose]

Sheik (pronounced /ˈʃiːk/sheek)[2] is Princess Zelda disguised as a male Sheikah

Sheik is a male Character, not a female.
just because it was zelda disguised as sheik in the game, doesnt mean Sheik as a character is a girl.
in the zelda games themselves,, sheik was refereed to as a male.

Really? You're posting that? Even though it has nothing whatsoever to do with this guide?

 

[Jboy313]

Really? You're posting that? Even though it has nothing whatsoever to do with this guide?

There was info in the guide that was wrong so i corrected it. the OP Stating the gender of sheik also has nothing to do with how sheik places or helps anyone in any way when it comes to playing sheik,

Also. think of it as a Bump, so more people can see it.

 

[Showdow]

I took that part out of the guide but it's pretty disappointing that I had to. Do we really have to get into a discussion about this on a guide for a smash bros game?

 

[Simikins]

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[WondrousMoose]

There was no incorrect information. Do you want me to lecture you on the history of sheik? Even if you don't want me to I will, because come on man.

In Ocarina of Time sheik is male. That is confirmed. Zelda is female and uses magic to transform herself into a male, and disguises herself as a member of the sheikah clan. In OoT, Zelda is female, Sheik is male.

Melee Sheik is simply OoT Sheik so again, male.

Art was made for sheik in Twilight Princess, even though he/she didn't appear in the game. The art was made so that when Super Smash Brothers Brawl was made, they would have a version of Sheik that went along with Link and Zelda in that game. This Sheik was also male.

Next up, Hyrule warriors. Sheik in this game is Zelda disguised, but not transformed by magic. She is quite obviously female, and has been confirmed by Nintendo representatives to be female. In Hyrule Warriors, Sheik is female.
But Hyrule Warriors isn't canon so who cares.

And what no-one has really touched on, is the term "Transgender." When someone is physically one sex, but mentally is another. Sex and gender are seen by many as being different, sex being physical, and gender being mental.

OMG GUYS, SHEIK IS TRANSGENDER! Basically. He/She is physically a male in all previous canon incarnations, BUT sheik is zelda, and identifies as a female, regardless of physical state. BOOM! NO ONE IS RIGHT!


But if you ask me sheik in Sm4sh is female. Look at her body shape.

That was far from a lecture, but if you really want I can wright a 5000 word essay for you, and use it for my school health essay, focusing on gender and sex.

Nice talking to you.

The point that everyone making that argument seems to assume is that she used magic for some sort of transformation, but that's nowhere in the game. What does that mean anyway? Did she magically grow a penis, or did she just use magic to somehow make herself mentally feel more male? If by "male", you mean that she doesn't look very feminine, then I suppose that's true, but that doesn't involve magic.

 

[Simikins]

The point that everyone making that argument seems to assume is that she used magic for some sort of transformation, but that's nowhere in the game. What does that mean anyway? Did she magically grow a penis, or did she just use magic to somehow make herself mentally feel more male? If by "male", you mean that she doesn't look very feminine, then I suppose that's true, but that doesn't involve magic.

Her body shape changed quite drastically. This led theorists to believe magic was involved, and it was confirmed by a rep. Can't remember who. I guess that could've just been the opinion of the rep themselves.

Again though, you can look at it either way. Everyone is free to their own opinion, and with the only game where sheik's gender & sex is 100% confirmed is hyrule warriors. The above is my opinion based on a few facts.

 

[WondrousMoose]

Her body shape changed quite drastically. This led theorists to believe magic was involved, and it was confirmed by a rep. Can't remember who. I guess that could've just been the opinion of the rep themselves.

Again though, you can look at it either way. Everyone is free to their own opinion, and with the only game where sheik's gender & sex is 100% confirmed is hyrule warriors. The above is my opinion based on a few facts.

Eh, I wouldn't mind that, but it's best to avoid language like "do you want me to lecture you" on unconfirmed issues.

My biggest problem with this argument is that her (I'll still call Sheik 'her') body shape becomes the biggest piece of evidence, but let me ask you this: does having broad shoulders and narrow hips make you a man or even of the male gender? If that were the case, female swimming, volleyball, softball, etc., would all be a massive hoax. As for the representative, I would honestly like to see that quote, as all I've heard is in confirmation of her female sex/gender/whatever.


Oh hey, Showdow, great guide! Glad I could keep myself on-topic this time. Definitely.

 

[Simikins]

I suppose all we can really do is assume.
I also realise I got a couple of things wrong. Oop.
And here's the quote: "The definitive answer is that Sheik is a woman — simply Zelda in a different outfit." — Bill Trinen

 

[Showdow]

Alright... no more on Sheik's gender. Seriously, whether she's a boy or girl doesn't affect how she plays in smash. I accepted that when I took my statement out of the guide. If you want to argue go on reddit or something.

 

[Showdow]

Showdow updated The Ninja With an Actual Scarf with a new update entry:

1.2

This update added perfect pivot usage to combos and some miscellaneous things to a bunch of sections including the optimal shield break punish in the nade section and small additions to overall sections. The biggest difference however if the new d throw combo in the d throw section which is in my opinion the most optimal punish that Sheik can get off of a grab at low percents.

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[Saki_JPC]

Man, this stuff looks like it will take a while for me to get.

 

[Showdow]

Man, this stuff looks like it will take a while for me to get.

20ZZ (or whatever the Sm4sh way to say it is)

 

[WondrousMoose]

20ZZ (or whatever the Sm4sh way to say it is)

20SS cuz it's all Sheik.

 

[Shuckle_SSB]

Sheik is female. Why is this even an argument?

 

[Simikins]

Sheik is female. Why is this even an argument?

Don't start this one again.

 

[Shuckle_SSB]

There's nothing to start.

 

[Deleted member]

No need to argue.

From Aonuma himself:
http://kotaku.com/5412635/zelda-developer-was-stumped-by-new-zelda-games-puzzles

"We recently received information from a survey conducted in the US that indicated that, among our female characters, users had a preference for those that were more on the independent side, such as Sheik and Tetra,"