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The Never Ending List of Toon's AT's and Tricks / The Data Dump / Song of Brainstorms
- Thread starter Fox Is Openly Deceptive
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTxQIIzwfrc
Something strange I noticed in this match that I've never noticed before (or maybe I just never paid attention to it).
When TL uses boomerang at 1:00, it knocks off the Falco in a stun/forced get up. How long would this stun last for on the edge of a normal platform? Possible boomerang (edge) into footstool dair spikes? I think it'd be safe.
Something strange I noticed in this match that I've never noticed before (or maybe I just never paid attention to it).
When TL uses boomerang at 1:00, it knocks off the Falco in a stun/forced get up. How long would this stun last for on the edge of a normal platform? Possible boomerang (edge) into footstool dair spikes? I think it'd be safe.
Thebest1pj
Pinnacle of Projectile Placement.
naw the falco hit the ground then got arrow locked. The tl shot the arrow right when he was about to land perfect timing ftw.
Hey I got another question for the advid TL players for my strategy.
I have been manipulating the projectiles alot and I mean alot. I usually stick to camping with the bow and boomerang and then throw a bomb or go in for a smash or two but I try and play defensive. People have been complaining that camping for TL is bad and that I should go in for more attacks. I have tried to keep an aerial game as well pretty decent. I am still learning but when I still win they say my strategy is repetitive and I should NOT be camping with TL....I am so confused. Is relying on projectiles the right thing to do?
Also if anyone wants to help me with dittos battle so I could learn a few tricks please let me know while I wait for an answer ima keep reading this thread.
I have been manipulating the projectiles alot and I mean alot. I usually stick to camping with the bow and boomerang and then throw a bomb or go in for a smash or two but I try and play defensive. People have been complaining that camping for TL is bad and that I should go in for more attacks. I have tried to keep an aerial game as well pretty decent. I am still learning but when I still win they say my strategy is repetitive and I should NOT be camping with TL....I am so confused. Is relying on projectiles the right thing to do?
Also if anyone wants to help me with dittos battle so I could learn a few tricks please let me know while I wait for an answer ima keep reading this thread.
Yea I am not there all the time but I do go in for attacks. I am just trying to find out if my strategy is right. Cuz everyone is telling me I am wrong but thanks for telling me I am finally doing something right so if they don't like my annoying projectiles then shame to them. >
The specific way you camp, as in the walls and traps you set up may not work on higher level players, but yeah camping is good for Toon, they're probably just complaining because they can't beat it and it's not fun for them, but if you're having competitive matches ignore that.
thank you my god people say I am too annoying to play and am trying to get ready for competition but they say my method is too repetitive when they still get caught in it so ima just ignore it. Thanks you two I feel much better of how my TL is progressing. :D
Hyro
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Hyro
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Ooooh. Even when you powershield on the edge, you'll still fall off. It's equal to shielding off the edge and getting pushed off. You aren't in any stun. You can do any aerial out of it, airdodge out of it, or tech it. That falco just sucked. Hence the messed up chaingrabs and bad spacing lol
Mota
"The snake, knowing itself, strikes swiftly"
Some characters are finding some locks and infinites on Diddy using his own banana, wonder if Toon Link can.
Possible new bomb/ledge tech? :l
Found this randomly and don't think I saw it in the bomb section.
Pull out bomb>Run off ledge>as soon as you are off the ground, drop the bomb in the air-dodging fashion. If done with good timing, the bomb should fall onto the edge and explode instead of falling down beside it while TL air-dodges out of it's way. Another thing that could happen is the bomb just sitting on the edge if it is released close enough to the ground. But that requires closer timing. I think this tech blocked a CPU from grabbing the edged once. Apparently bombs can do that if they explode on the edged right before someone grabs the edge. But I think I might be wrong.
So yeah....This is my first post in the forums, BTW Lol.
Found this randomly and don't think I saw it in the bomb section.
Pull out bomb>Run off ledge>as soon as you are off the ground, drop the bomb in the air-dodging fashion. If done with good timing, the bomb should fall onto the edge and explode instead of falling down beside it while TL air-dodges out of it's way. Another thing that could happen is the bomb just sitting on the edge if it is released close enough to the ground. But that requires closer timing. I think this tech blocked a CPU from grabbing the edged once. Apparently bombs can do that if they explode on the edged right before someone grabs the edge. But I think I might be wrong.
So yeah....This is my first post in the forums, BTW Lol.
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So you're saying that when we walk out of the edge, we should iBomb since the iBomb drops behind us instead of in front of us? And with that, if you were to run off the edge, with good timing, the bomb will drop on the edge that's directly behind us?
Sounds cool. Does it work, or does it just fall under the stage?
Is there a way to force a trip from nair everytime, or is it just luck like Jiggly's dair.
Hyro
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Gotta explain that better...I don't get it.
I would say....6/10 times nair will trip if the opponent is ~15% or lower
Hyro
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Oh...don't think that's possible since dropping the bomb immediately after short hopping isn't possible. It's not the DJ that makes a bomb drop possible, it's the fact that you're waiting till RIGHT before you hit the ground to DJ to like....minimize the amount of space between you and the ground.
Not a bad idea here. I've messed around with bananas before and found some interesting things. I think we can do the single nana lock, but that's way too hard. So what we want to know is, can we do an infinite, that's actually do-able.
Believe it or not, I actually did this by accident the other day and it looked quite interesting (I'm not trying to steal credit or anything XD, you were the first one to post it, so that's how it works. I'd actually forgotten about it.). I'll try remember to look into this when I get my wii back and possibly even add it if I find some cool uses. So thanks for letting me know. (great first post btw, you're welcome here anytime.)
Interesting idea, but I think Hyro is right. Still, this is another thing that I'll have to quickly check out at some point.
Dude, there's going to be a massive update of this thread when my wii comes home. I'm so sick of waiting.... It's a good thing I've got the guide to keep me busy.
zaf
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this thread is amazing. I only play b+, but there are countless at's here that i can use.
Im going to spend a lot of time testing all these ats
Im going to spend a lot of time testing all these ats
@Zaf: All of it should work in B+ except maybe for some D-smash stuff. Cause wasn't the D-smash changed? (omg, no BCD for you XD) And the F-smash was also changed I think, other then that, I can't remember what else was changed, but if it was just the D-smash and F-smash, then as I said, it'll all work except some of the D-smash stuff. Yeah, so knock yourself out XD. (wow, that saying looks bad when written down...)
"Good news everyone!"
I got my wii back! Hellz yeah.
So there will be a quick update, that I don't have time to write atm.... But I'll get on to writing it tomorow, I swear XD. It'll include the Double Jump Drop (DJD), Arrow locking (don't ask why it wasn't there before, I have no idea.), the infinite on diddy (it works) and the (I still don't have a name) running off a platform Ibomb thingie that makes the bomb land on the plaform, behind you.
I can't remember if there was anything else I was supposed to test, I've looked through the thread but maybe it was posted somewhere else. So if you could be so kind as to jog my memory, then I would be happy to test it for you.
Edit: Oh yeah! So I was stuffing around with doing the Reverse SAFC in a different way (atm, it's run, hit back, jump then instantly cancel the jump with Up-B near the edge. I was using Run, Jump, Instantly cancel the jump with Up-B then Instantly Hit back near the edge. This method works just fine and I was thinking of adding another 'how to perform' to the Reverse SAFC. Anyway.) and I wavebounced the SAFC back under the platform with considerable momentum. Now if you're wondering why this has significance, well it means that we can laglessly wavebounce off platforms and go straight into any other attack. So we can wavebounce aerials for example. I'm still unsure what the difference was between the Reverse SAFC and this wavebounced one as I've only done it twice, but if I was to guess, I'd say it has something to do with the timing. Just thought you might want to know.
Edit: Update complete! I told you I'd do it.
"Good news everyone!"
I got my wii back! Hellz yeah.
So there will be a quick update, that I don't have time to write atm.... But I'll get on to writing it tomorow, I swear XD. It'll include the Double Jump Drop (DJD), Arrow locking (don't ask why it wasn't there before, I have no idea.), the infinite on diddy (it works) and the (I still don't have a name) running off a platform Ibomb thingie that makes the bomb land on the plaform, behind you.
I can't remember if there was anything else I was supposed to test, I've looked through the thread but maybe it was posted somewhere else. So if you could be so kind as to jog my memory, then I would be happy to test it for you.
Edit: Oh yeah! So I was stuffing around with doing the Reverse SAFC in a different way (atm, it's run, hit back, jump then instantly cancel the jump with Up-B near the edge. I was using Run, Jump, Instantly cancel the jump with Up-B then Instantly Hit back near the edge. This method works just fine and I was thinking of adding another 'how to perform' to the Reverse SAFC. Anyway.) and I wavebounced the SAFC back under the platform with considerable momentum. Now if you're wondering why this has significance, well it means that we can laglessly wavebounce off platforms and go straight into any other attack. So we can wavebounce aerials for example. I'm still unsure what the difference was between the Reverse SAFC and this wavebounced one as I've only done it twice, but if I was to guess, I'd say it has something to do with the timing. Just thought you might want to know.
Edit: Update complete! I told you I'd do it.
Mota
"The snake, knowing itself, strikes swiftly"
http://www.smashboards.com/converse.php?u=18904&u2=133429 "...cancel dash into anything..."
Thoughts on this?
Dash cancel to Dsmash Gimp? Utilt?
Thoughts on this?
Dash cancel to Dsmash Gimp? Utilt?
Did they imply that they already know how to cancel Dash attack into anything? As in, it's possible? Why won't they tell us if they know? I've gotta find out. Somehow....
Mota
"The snake, knowing itself, strikes swiftly"
The way they're talking about seems very likely some unreleased AT exists.
Although reading it again, it might have nothing at do with dash cancelling at all. XD
We'll just have to wait and see.
Just stumbled across it *shrugs*
Although reading it again, it might have nothing at do with dash cancelling at all. XD
We'll just have to wait and see.
Just stumbled across it *shrugs*
Hyro
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The link isn't working atm, so I'll check it out later, but I think I know what you mean. You JC throw the Bomb forwards then instantly Dash towards it and D-smash. It should work cause you can make it blow up infront of you and I've gotta say, that's quite ingeneous. Now I'm only wondering if it's possible to turn around before the D-smash, otherwise I can only imagine this working form somewhere in the middle of the stage. So it's either a work in progress or it already works. If only the link worked.... curses XD. I'm thinking that youtube might be down for a little while and it's not the link that's the problem.
I'll check again later.
I'll check again later.
Mota
"The snake, knowing itself, strikes swiftly"
Dangit Hyro I can't get it.
So it's JC throw the bomb forward and grab the bomb with a fair.
Very sexy stuff. ^_^
So it's JC throw the bomb forward and grab the bomb with a fair.
Very sexy stuff. ^_^
zaf
Smash Lord
i was doing this in b+ for a while now.
i just never thought it would work in vbrawl/ i dont come here often
either way i havent found any good applications for this
Hyro
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...wtf u talkin about lol.
dsmash??? bomb blowing up???
even if you could, if you dash...you can't dsmash, you would dash attack.
and there is no good applications for this like most of tl's techs.
MJG
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Impressive Hyro.
Keep it up.
Keep it up.